Yousif

It’s not my job to tell you what to do, but I took it upon myself to remind you that killing innocent people is a crime punishable by law, just looking out for a fellow friend.

@Nivsch here’s what I want you to see:- What hamas did was wrong was wrong and it is a terrorist attack, I understand. but they way you’re doing things to innocent civilians and the whole city in general says :- “ yeah, you’re a terrorist, but I’m more of a terrorist than you “ you don’t put out fire with fire You don’t do exactly what they did and even worse and then acts like they’re the only bad guys, you’re just as bad if not more if we look at the innocent citizens that have died from BOTH SIDES. your whole reason for this war is because they killed innocent Israeli people, so what you do isyou go copy the ugly thing they did to you? Do you see how you’re making more cruelty, what you’re doing is not justice its vengeance. you get nothing out of vengeance, you only become the very thing you want revenge on.

you keep talking collectively while ignoring the individual aspect of the problem, i don’t care who did what, all I know is killing innocent people is a crime and whoever did it is a murderer, now if that happens collectively or individually it does not matter. that’s that problem that the east has with the west, they created laws and human rights, but then they themselves don’t follow them which is exactly the point that hamas succeeded in doing at the cost of innocent peoples lives, It’s the problem of? Who’s gonna guard the guards? Both collective and individual points of view is correct, choosing one side over the other is wrong, you’ll fall into duality, and you become delusional, unable to see the truth of the matter, or take responsibility for it instead of justifying it.

But it’s not, it’s a choice your government made, and you’re with them on it, again u can’t control the government, but you can control not supporting murder.

That’s not what I meant, don’t interpret meaning of things and then believe it to be true.

I asked one simple question and please don’t avoid it again, does that justify the killing of civilians and innocent people? Even if there where no other solution? also in a hostage scenario, you would do anything to protect the hostage, you could’ve treated hamas as terrorist holding hostages ( which would be innocent civilians ) but you simply don’t care about their lives and don’t see what you’re doing as a crime, I keep repeating the same point, and you keep on avoiding it, so nothing is accomplished.

How did I demonize you? all I did was I switched the countries that are at play and the players so it feelz personal, because when things are personal how people judge a situation changes, like you might be okay with bullying at your school but when they start bullying you it starts to become a problem.

As one of my fav people to listen to which happened to be a jew ( ram dass) used to say, “ “as long as there’s a “us” and a “them” you’re stuck, nothing you say or do will be of any good to anybody,not even yourself “ he didn’t say it exactly like this but this is basically what he said.

Things feel different when they get personal don’t they?

@Nivsch we see your point of view but it still doesn’t justify what’s happening, but you refuse to see ours, instead you’re here everyday justifying murder, and last I checked if you kill someone that didn’t do anything to you, it counts as murder and crime, yet you keep on justifying it.

If the people in his house didn’t tell you where he is or got in your way, is that enough reason for you to kill them, if so then you’re a murderer .

Let’s assume there’s no other way, is that enough reason for you to take civilians and innocent lives?

Here is what happened in a smaller and at an individual scale, there’s a guy in school , after you bullied him for years, one day lashes at you and slaps the shit out of you, you’re shocked, because all of the school saw what happened and that really hurt your ego, so what you did is or what you’re trying to do, is go find him at his house, proceed to kill his little sister and brother and justify it because they were in your way, and you’ll keep killing all of his family members until he shows up and you can get your revenge, oh I forgot they you burnt and bombed their house as well.

I can want hamas to be eliminated, while at the same time keep civilians and innocent lives from dying, but my bro here keep justifying the killing of innocent people. there are many ways you could’ve eliminated Hamas. They way they reacted was the same as the U.S. on 9/11 and the whole iraq war, complete lashing out and unconscious reaction to what happened.

You gotta accept that you cannot justify killing innocent people, no amount of justification will help you because as a human being I assume you have a conscience, I see it from both sides, but you’ve been here everyday defending only one side, you may not have the control of what your government does, but at least you don’t have to support them in what they do, maybe that will make them stop, but you do want hamas to be eliminated even if that means killing millions of ( them). I understand, you’re scared and you would rather them be scared and die and not you, but I do believe you could’ve gotten rid of hamas in a better way than bombing the whole city. In the end, what you give is what you get.

When you’re traumatized, the best course of action is not to lash out, you’re supposed to be grounded, go have a therapy session or do some psychedelics, I heard they help with trauma, don’t take it out on people who had nothing to do with it, you will only make things worse that way.

So you’re telling me when Justin Trudeau supports a Canadian terrorist group, it’s okay for the us to bomb you and your family??! I’m not defending hamas or the president of Palestine, I just want you to know before supporting any side that you’re supporting the killing of innocent people, the more you support the more innocent lives die because you wanna feel safe.

You speak as if things are out of your hand, I understand that you can not control what your government do and how the people feel, but I’m speaking to you personally, do you support what your government is doing?? Do you really think this was is the right course of action and it couldn’t be avoided? I personally would feel ashamed if my country and my people choose to eradicate a whole country out of fear, I wouldn’t spend a minute of this forum trying to convince everyone that we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys.

this is a pure example of human selfishness and bias, as long as we are safe, fuck everyone else around us. I don’t really know how I would be able to go on living knowing I ruthlessly selfish/ biased/ vicious, and inhumane, i guess that explains why people ignore the facts as if they don’t exist.

If there’s isn’t a better way to to kill all the rats in the city, bomb the whole city, this is your logic?? Or the logic of your leaders?

Bro is so focused on the goal that the collateral damage of a whole city and thousands of innocent lives don’t even matter, he just looks the other way.

Also by romance stuff I mean to be an a committed relationship full of attachment and projection, not that they wouldn’t wanna make love romantically.

I don’t really consider those people conscious except for sadhguru and he married before his enlightenment, the problem with most people is that their idea of love is, being attached together in a typical relationship, if you’re not obsessed, and attached you don’t love them, being in a relationship means you have to socialize, always be with a significant other, socializing makes you stupid, people will keep putting labels on you including your partner, which validates my point on being alone is better if your priority is consciousness and being awake.

I said tend, not everyone will be opposed to the idea, but most, simply because most relationships are built upon attachment, even if you’re not attached, they’ll be attached to you and it will problematic for your spiritual growth, especially if spirituality and awakening is your highest priority, then you’ll most likely oppose the idea of being a half with someone since you’re already whole.

High Consciousness people tend to wanna be alone and not do this romance stuff, she might be mature as you say, but I doubt highly spiritually conscious.