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Yeah it was wild back then, some would even get a camera in the room when they got backed. Imagine the girl watching and theyre breaking down everything your saying, how to counter your points, escalating etc you just thought that was an attractive guy with charisma

It's a bit gray area because you can't really film without consent if you're going to publish, you need release forms otherwise you could get sued. Usually in-fields blur the faces which in theory I guess would be on the right side if legality but it's still a bit morally dubious as their voices are usually clear as well as any identifying marks, they have no idea they're being filmed and in some cases they could be quite compromising situations. So it's not completely clean hence the backlash

You would know better than me, but public facing the optics weren't as bad for rsd as others, behind the scenes it was probably different

The Julien thing was bad but i think what put the nail in the coffin was really bad, unscrupulous PUAs. RSD definitely had its issues and maybe just the idea of training guys to roam the streets trying to talk to girls looks really bad inherently. Some PUAs just took it to another level and were actually scumbags who would push it too far with girls. Youtube just didnt really police any pick-up content but the backlash against these guys was too much for them to ignore. RSD actually survived Juliengate but they just couldnt have survived the onslaught on the whole industry, which wasnt necessarily their fault but they were part of it. It seems like it affected Owen a lot but if he was being honest and took responsibility, he wouldve seen the changes he needed to make. Leo called him out in the pick-up rant video and i think Owen responded as well so he was aware. Anyway this Vice doc about Justin Wayne was really the final bullet -

I dont think all of them really support Trump but they do know most of their audience does, so if they dont speak too much about politics they probably didnt vote Trump, I saw a Jeffy video the other day that made me think that, Not sure about the rest, Owens def on the Trump train though

Racial segregation and jim crow is a bit much, anything close to that will cause a civil war. I think the most damaging thing that will happen is the mass deportation, that will destroy families, jobs the economy, sentiment toward the US. The other thing is if he actually does the tariffs that could mess up a lot of things as well. The US will be set back immensely, even if he does 10% of what hes saying, but the segregation stuff would be a stretch, thats a really fringe issue.

It's always been pretty clear, he agreed to drop out of the race if Trump offered him a position that he wanted. There's a video of him talking to Trump on the phone before he endorses him. An anti-vaxxer with a brain worm is now in charge of the health of Americans.

There are some stats to back you up here, so according to a gallup poll 33% of people believe gay or lesbian relations are morally wrong - https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx Also looking at pew research data amongst republicans state to state, it looks like around 50% if not a majority of republicans think that being gay should be discouraged. https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/compare/views-about-homosexuality/by/state/among/party-affiliation/republican-lean-rep/ To say that this is only an issue on the extreme side of the party is false, this is a pretty middle of the road take for a republican. So it really wouldn't be a stretch to say some would've voted on the dems stance on lgbtq which is basically acceptance of it.

yeah it could be or most likely theyll be a crash and we'll rise and then go through the same bullshit again.

Yeah i think a mix of fear of what was happening, anti-establishment sentiment, social media making it easy to distribute misinfo and yeah free time as well. During the time I would get daily content sent to me via wats app of just total bullshit and people would believe it. Im not even talking vaccine skepticism, I mean like a video of army vehicles being transported on the motorway and people believing that the army was going to lock down london. This is family members, friends etc who i thought were reasonable people, tbf when I did point out the bullshit with evidence some did back down, but it made me see how easy it was for people to be taken in because of the situation. So I think since then the anti-establishment sentiment has remained as well as the social media stuff although that started to get regulated a bit better. Remember before covid there was no need for the misinformation tags on posts, a lot of this was developed because of covid. Yeah thats the crux of it, its jarring because we might have thought humanity was at a certain point but its obviously not there yet, so its accepting where we are at and i guess doing what we can from our position. I do sometimes feel im living in an insane asylum. Whats weird as well is that the amount of comfort, freedom and opportunity America have compared to the rest of the world, most of it anyway, is insane. Of all the countries to rebel its so strange that America are rebelling, like what do you even want? youre already winning

Wow thanks man, very helpful and i really respect what youve put into the game. Ive bookmarked your post and im definitely going to try some of the steps youve suggested

Im with you bro, it always blew my mind that anyone could fall for Hitlers rhetoric and that blind and emotional to let someone like that do what he did. I didnt think people were actually that emotionally led. But here we are, I think covid and social media have led to this, where people realised they could just alter their perspective of reality and get others to follow. I read by our side you mean reason and actual desire for truth and understanding, whatever 'party' or form that takes. The right are obsessed with the right 'winning'. I completely hear you though, I can definitely imagine that case study

Is this your belief? This could be a good issue to prove my point. My contention would be you believe most immigrants are criminals because of hateful rhetoric that youve heard, to the point where you truly believe something is true that casts a terrible light on a group of people. What percentage of criminals do you think are criminals and do you have evidence or statistics that can confirm most immigrants are criminals?

Dunno itll probably get a bit technical but keeping it broad is there anything i can do to get to 2000, my highest was 1750

OK bud, wishing you the best though, just get the sense things are a bit tough for you at the moment

What's your ranking? I'm like 1600, could do with some tips actually

@mr_engineer how's life, are you happy? Genuinely

I'm talking about one specific day because it was insane, but there was no backing off that point of the election being stolen, people still believe that, the only reason why it's calmed down is because Trump has won but if he hadn't won everyone would've said it was rigged again. Aside from that how many lies about immigrants all being criminals or eating pets or rumours like Michelle Obama being a man or barrack not being born in the US, have been constantly been protected out of the right? It's constant nonsense which obviously inflames the political environment, probably purposefully to inflame it. So this argument where the dems act emotionally and that it's even slightly comparable to the right is way off. Today Biden invited Trump to sit down at the White house even though he side lost, if it went the other way do you really think Trump would do that and not have an emotional tantrum?

It seems as though you're presenting the left as worse by stating they're brainwashed and react emotionally, you didn't feel the need to state this about the right. Although maybe you did previously I don't know. But from my perspective the fact that we've seen the real world action of the storming of the capitol by the right because of a delusion and misinformation, of which they still don't acknowledge wrong doing. I would say is much more problematic and detrimental to discourse than apparent name calling from the left. Also if we accept that they shouldn't have stormed the capitol and that they were brainwashed into doing it and still haven't admitted fault, wouldn't name calling be a somewhat subdued response to such insane behaviour. It seems that there's a way higher expectation for civility put on the left over the right.

I'm not sure they do want to emulate him, but let's grant you that they've said something negative about Trump and his supporters, why is that scrutinised so harshly whereas Trump and maga engage in constant insults as well dangerous rhetoric and conspiracy theories. One example is people making jokes about Nancy Pelosis husband being attacked by a madman with a hammer and conspiracy theories about it being hos gay lover which obviously not true. Point being Trump and maga are not critiqued in the same way and it seems like they can get away with so much but the left say one thing out of turn and were saying they're brainwashed and emotional Yes it's a much more extreme emotional response that involved illegal activity and what I would consider brainwashing and/or delusion to do it in the first place. The comparison to an emotional response of some name calling from the right is nowhere near comparable, or am I missing something? If you were judging these things equally it wouldn't be a debate.

I mean have we whitewashed the fact that when Trump lost in 2020, maga stormed the capitol and called for the hanging of Mike pence for certifying the election? Was that not an emotional reaction? Or the constant name calling that Trump engages in calling any opponent some derogatory name which his followers take on. Or him labelling whole groups of people as criminals? This is the thing that I don't get is you might criticise the left for name calling, but it's not even in the same league as what Trump and his followers do. If the left did even a fraction of what the right do they would get a lot of flack for it. So my question is why is Trump judged very differently from the left?

This seems to be your core issue and most likely a lot of the negative feelings stem from this. What's great is you have amazing self awareness, which is crucial for addressing this issue. Have you ever had therapy or talked to a professional about this? I think if you can work with someone that can help you to reframe these thoughts, you will see a lot pf progress

Yep doing exactly what he promised, he's also bringing in maga loyalists to make up his cabinet who have no experience in the jobs they're being put in. The takeovers happening folks, but I guess it's what Americans want, billionaires 'regulating' billionaires, I'm sure they'll help out the normal people

He is definitely a great speaker l, he's got like 20 years in the game, I will give him that. I guess the difficulty is not getting taken in the by the charisma and actually look at what he's saying plainly. I think if you read a transcript of what he said it would be hard to take him seriously but his charisma papers of the inconsistency gaps

People say he's an asshole and not PC but it's really a distraction, which gives the impression you're making a criticism but in reality you're actually not addressing the most egregious things that he's done and aspects of his personality. I understand the sentiment of wanting more clarity in politics and on the face of it I do agree. However Trump is not truthful, when people say they want truth and point to Trump it suggests to me that what they really want is someone to identify what they're worried about, which Trump does, and then provide a solution, which Trump doesn't do. What Trump does do is convince them that he can solve these problems, which is dishonest. The truth for example with inflation is that yes it's higher but the US is doing much better than every other developed nation. Unemployment is also at its lowest, Trump had said the opposite on both these issues and then claimed he can solve the non-existent issue. So no he's not honest. People priortise politicians that make them feel good rather than truth, it has always been this way but I think Trump has taken it to another level.