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I noticed a real shift during covid, whereby Brand and Rogan and even Peterson previously wouldnt have outright agreed with Maga or conspiracy theories in general, but at that time i think they realised how many of the followers did actually want them to talk about that stuff. Its hard to say whether it was consciously done on their part but i think when you get adulation and money you kind of go toward it and i think thats what theyve done. Basically theyre completely audience captured. Another thing to realise is that the right pay extremely well. They are all smart people so for them not to realise in some way i find hard to believe, however they are also smart enough to fool themselves. Either way though its very sad how people can just be bought in this manner.

@zazen It depends how you see it, do you want a secular society whereby you can do anything you like as long as it doesnt infringe on the freedom of other people or should there be an objective set of values and morality that we should all live by regardless of if it is against ones personal values and morality? I think that the left generally want the 1st option and the right generally want the 2nd option. The trouble with the 2nd option is obvious in that most people may not share the values, in this case christian nationalism, in a lot of instances the right is unashamedly not tolerant of certain things like lgbtq, abortion rights etc. The left is tolerant of everything except intolerance. This is where the conflict happens because the right fundamentally cant accept the left and the left cant accept the intolerance of the right. Its like a paradox how can you be tolerant and also accept intolerance? My stance would be that a secular society whereby anyone can practice whatever religion and whatever culture they want is a better society in that it can include everyone, it can include christians, muslims, black, white, gay straight. In principle these are the foundations of America, the country was designed to be secular and to be equal, the success of the country has come from that even despite them not really sticking to it a lot of times. But the country is built on immigration essentially and really the culture is a massive mix of all different cultures throughout the years. The fundamentalist view where you say things should be a certain way, was successful at one point in history but all massive civilizations have had to become secular in some way. The general issue with it is that its too inflexible and doesnt let a society grow, its born from fear, fear of change, fear of being replaced. Even on a individual level, fear does not lead to great outcomes. Most people just want secular values that allow them to be themselves, whatever that might be. If you take 10 random people, a couple of their views are going to be extreme, theres no way around that. What i think is dangerous, both sides do this as well, is when you take the extreme view and try to present it as the moderate view of that side. This has what has taken the right v left battle to absurd level, the whole discussion over trans people who are probably less than 0.1% of the population is such a non-issue but it seems to be at the forefront of political discourse. I would argue maga is the highest level of absurd, its worse than the woke side imo in that maga will change whatever they think based on whatever Trump says, its scary to me to have a large group of people who will basically believe and follow whatever their leader says, regardless of the truth. You can say what you want about the left but they dont just follow randomly, most of he time they dont even agree with each other. The results of following a leader were shown on Jan 6th.

Apparently Trumps team cleared all the jokes beforehand and took out one of Tony calling Kamala a cu**, that was the line

A lot of people say hes a dumb persons idea of what an intellectual is and i think thats pretty accurate, he looks and sounds smart but the actual content if you get passed all the unnecessary vocabulary is pretty shallow and a lot of times doesnt even make sense. He recently had a debate with Dawkins and they asked Peterson whether the virgin birth in the Bible literally happened. The amount of yapping he did because he couldnt say 'I dont know if its true but the mythology has meaning' was incredible. He now doesnt want to alienate his obviously, mostly christian audience but as a supposed man of a reason he can't say the virgin birth literally happened.

I mean yeah you can do mental gymnastics for anything, but it doesn't really have much value when speaking relatively. We could say Hitler is empathetic because he wanted the best for Germany and loved animals but it's probably pretty irrelevant considering what else he did. I think most personas would think insulting disabled people for being disabled is not very empathetic

Peterson is making the claim that hes a particularly empathetic person, this is not true going by his history. Someone whos empathetic would not treat their nephews child in such a manner or for example take out an ad calling for the death penalty for young boys who turned out to be innocent and not apologising when he found out he was wrong. Is he capable empathy? Yeah probably but to say hes an empathetic person, im sorry no

1. Hes pro free speech for his side, he regularly threatens journalists, says networks should have their licenses taken away because of unfavourable coverage toward him. Violence against journalists has increased because of his rhetoric. If you said something negative about maga in a maga space, youd get an army of magans coming for you, in a lot of cases doxing you. This can happen on the left of course but youre making the claim Trump is pro free speech 2. Trump doesnt care about bitcoin, he trashed it previously but the change in stance is because he knows some people will vote just because of a pro-bitcoin stance - "“A lot of these people consider themselves single-issue voters,” said tech writer Jacob Silverman, author of the best-selling book “Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud.” “If Trump or anyone else says they’re pro-bitcoin, that matters to them.” 3. His tax cuts only really benefitted the rich, not majority of citizens 4. He wants to decrease government to have more control over it, this is why he only hires loyalists and his family. This is typical dictator behaviour 5. Again he knows his base are hyped up about the trans issue and so to appeal to them he uses trans a scapegoat - “Kamala is for they/them,” each ad concludes. “President Trump is for you.” (whos the you?) -Project 2025 all his previous and some current campaign staff are working on project 2025. It's aligned to christian nationalism, they heavily support and back trump and are able to get him to enact their policies. So even if hes not attached to project 2025, he will be enacting their ideologies. - federal ban probably wont happen, but obviously repealing roe vs wade was a step that could set a foundation for it. Even so I agree, I would be surprised if it happened - He may not be as bad as Hitler in that he doesnt appear to be trying to commit genocide, but a lot of his strategies and rhetoric are very similar. For example 'make america great again' is basically the same rhetoric Hitler used in Germany to rise to power. Scapegoating immigrants, saying theyre all criminals etc Trump said 'we shouldnt poison american blood' or something along those lines. He constantly fear mongers and presents himself as the only solution, this is something Hitler did. I think when people think of Hitler they think of the war and the genocide, Hitler was basically a lesson in what could happen if facism takes hold of a powerful country and was why the democratic process was reinforced so that another dictator would not be able to rise up. Trump has a lot of hallmarks of a dictator, however I'm not sure he would go as far as Hitler but still why would you give anyone that kind of power or let them have that power.

Trump is empathetic? This whole piece from Peterson is basically propaganda. Trumps nephew would definitely disagree - Can you point to intellectuals have come out in support of Trump?

You could just have individual stalls and then unisex sinks etc in theory everyones home has a unisex bathroom so its not really a stretch. The other option is go with what you present as because if trans woman is more undistinguishable from a woman, it would definitely be more strange if they use a male bathroom. But yeah i think a lot of the people making noise about this are basically trans-phobic it really shouldnt be that big of an issue

Musk regularly bans those he doesn't agree with- https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/x-journalist-ban-elon-musk-b2476153.html The experiment failed by every metric, financially it's down according to some estimates by 80%, usership is down, new users are down, ad spend is way down, literally in every way it's failing. He's also artificially promoting his and other accounts he likes tweets. Every platform has to have blanket regulations, preventing hate speech, incitements of violence etc otherwise the site becomes unusable for the average user, this is what's happening with X. You seem to have a bias toward the right, which is fine but it's blinding you to the reality.

Thinking about it, it's not that crazy that it doesn't come out top for 'rogan trump', it comes out top for lots of search terms like 'rogan trump interview'. If it was being suppressed it shouldn't show up for any searches, but just putting their 2 names is quite indirect. I'm not saying it's impossible that it could be suppressed but it's not really obvious to me. Also we don't know exactly how the algorithm works, there could be lots of reasons why it doesn't show up for that particular term

It has less censorship depending on what you say, if you were tweeting about how bad Teslas were all day you'd definitely get banned. That's not so much the case with youtube, you can definitely critisize the platform without getting banned. Also regulations on a platform are not bad, it's just they need to be fair across the bad. There should of course be regulations that act to keep a platform safe and there should be regulations against bots or misinformation and disinformation. This site were on now would be terrible without any regulation. A lot of people are running away from X because of how it's being run, so the experiment of taking a successful platform and reducing regulations has not worked.

I do watch KT sometimes and I would agree that he says worse stuff on the show, but I would also say some o the humour on KT can come across very harsh in terms of bullying and a lot of the jokes especially from Tony are racial, which i dont even have a problem with if theyre funny but a lot of the time it just like 'its an asian guy (inesert stereotype here)'. So its not that im outraged or offended i just think its lazy and repetitive a lot of the time, there are some things he says where its actually amazing he came up with it so quick as well. But overall i think its fine and people like it. In regards to the rally, if i was thinking strategically from Trumps campaign pov, it cant be a good idea to have Tony on there because it could have the potential of influencing a lot of independents or undecided voters. The other thing is that the audience of the rally is very important to take into account, when Tony makes jokes about Latinos or Blacks in front of this crowd the idea is how bad Latinos and blacks are and how different they are to us, its not laughing with them really, especially when you look at the rhetoric of the other speakers. Lets say Tony was speaking at a Dem rally and mad the same jokes, itd probably go down a bit better because its shocking and its like a break in what everyone else was saying. But him making the jokes at the trump rally takes away the irony, so its looks like hes just saying PR is a shithole rather than, 'isnt it shocking i said PR is a shithole'

@Average Actualizer Genuine question, what do you think about Elon Musk censoring people on X that he disagrees with and also doing the sweepstakes thing offering people a chance to win money if they vote?

You're right in that he's worse on the show but to do this at a political event is a very different situation. Even Trump kinda disguises what he says a little bit so that at least there's some doubt, sometimes. But Tony making out right racial jokes can't really help trump at least amongst latin or Jewish voters, obvs no dem is gonna hear that and be like 'I was waiting for racism to change my vote' but in theory it could put off undecided or be the final nail for some of his followers. Either way it's not gonna help.

The average person believes theyre not average because everyone wants to be special. But wanting or believing yourself to be special is by definition an average person. the way you do it might be different, some on this forum would use spirituality or spiral dynamics, pinning themselves at a higher level than the 'average' person, some will use material achievements, some will use academic achievements, familial achievements, personality etc etc, its all the same we all dont want to be average and that is the human condition and if you look for ways that youre not average you have the same condition as the average human, no matter how pretentious your reason why

Been tracking my sleep and trying to improve it but nearly every night I always wake up too early an have trouble going back to sleep. I think its really important just for general functioning. I'm wondering if going to sleep earlier can help. Anyway what time you mofos go to sleep and what kind of numbers are you putting up?

Always love these type of replies

yeah tbh its probably something to do with this, i will look into it a bit more thanks This could be a factor as well, i will experiment with not eating 3 hours before. I usually have a snack less than 3 hours before so this could be something, thanks He is very calming, i normally listen to Karl Pilkington, hes calming in his own way

I don't think that's really true, there might be some people that don't like Kamalas policies but I would put that at a minimal percentage. Not because her policies are necessarily amazing but because those that were going to vote rep or dem were going to do it regardless of policy. The dems had a workable border policy but trump wanted it shut down until he could get into office and get credit for it, this probably didn't even sway that many away from voting for Trump. So policy is not at the forefront of most people's minds when voting. There's probably more people voting because they dislike Trump, like the whole republicans against Trump movement, with multiple orgs on the right putting money behind ads to vote against Trump. This is something we rarely see in politics

Nah I'm not depressed, if anything when I have been depressed I sleep a lot

You dont have to accept it, you have the choice to suffer

Well no, not accepting that you don't know everything is suffering. Any resistance to what is, is suffering, but it's within your power to accept and not suffer.

Trump has support because he knows how to hit the pain points of a certain demographic, exaggerate their potential issues and then offer a solution, while giving them a common enemy to blame for these issues. He is also willing to do anything to get and stay in power, more so than most if not all politicians, mainly because hes at stage red and had a very specific upbringing that trained and encouraged him to be ruthless to get his fathers love. Hes at stage red whereas most politicians go from stage blue through to green maybe yellow, this means he can take things further than anyone else. The demographic he caters to get more from having these pain points touched than they would from the actual truth, therefore he gets his support. Its also a good metric of where the US is and how easy it is to be manipulated. Interesting fact, US citizens are the most likely to be catfish scammed, so they are the most vulnerable to a love scam.

Your mind might be hell but earth is not. Meaning its all perspective, if we put this on the micro level, somebody might hear a piece of music and think that its the worst thing, its hell to listen to and another person might think its the most amazing sound ever and its heaven but the reality is its a sound, only your perspective makes it so. All things are temporary but thats also what makes them beautiful, if you lived forever you wouldnt appreciate your life in the same way as you do knowing its impermanence and in fact living forever might be hell.