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Again this is a strawman, I didn't say I asked my mum and dad(they have a terrible relationship anyway lol), I said, this is the third time I'm saying this, I don't know if I'm making it clear enough - my direct experience firstly, relationships I see around me and statistics on dating trends. You said you were using your direct experience to form your opinions, which I can accept although of course this will be anecdotal and based off the type of women you were going for which would be the case for me in my relationships also. I would be interested in what experience you have with hypergamy, so what I asked which you didn't answer is "did someone you were dating leave you for someone better or did someone who was in a relationship leave them for you?". If you could explain this it might round out your points. The other thing is if you were basing your opinion only on direct experience it wouldn't make sense for you to make a general statement on all dating, such as its changed massively. It might have but it could be your specific dating life has changed for reasons specific to you. OK I like this as a more rounded interpretation of power. However how you phrased the initial statement I wouldn't agree with, I think these are traits that can be attractive to women, I don't think they're trading sex for it, they're just attracted to it because of how they feel around these traits, for example his ability to control his emotions would make her feel safe or his funniness makes her enjoy herself, these things trigger positive emotions in her. There still has to be a sexual attraction of course. Also all the things you mentioned can be worked on, if this is the case, it effectively debunks the black pill.
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I'm just asking how he formed his opinions, otherwise it's not really based on much. I am open though, I'm not really tied to my opinion, it's just I've read up on a lot of what he's saying and it's easily debunked, as well I don't see it in my personal experience. What points would you say are good advice? Would you agree with him that men generally just want to get sex using their power and women generally want to get power using sex?
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Right OK you don't want to engage in statistics that put your point of view into question, cool. I'll disregard that you said a couple posts back that stats say people are dating less, I guess it's only applicable with your points. Forgive the sarcasm, it's just you're contradicting yourself, but we can move on from that. So we'll go with your direct experience, you didn't actually answer this before btw. Have you dealt with many high quality women? What was your experience with hypergamy if this was the case, did women leave you for a higher status man or did they leave their men for you? Feel free to be as specific as you like. As all your opinions are based on this experience, it seems quite crucial.
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Youre strawmanning my point, i said im getting my information from direct experience firstly, then looking at real relationships around me. Where are you getting your viewpoint? You didnt answer this in the first place. Secondly you didnt engage with my next point which was from pew research - "Some 86% of household heads with a four-year college degree – and at least one parent with a degree – have a spouse or partner who is also a college graduate" How can you explain this stat if guys date anyone they think is hot? You say this but then you dont actually engage with points contrary to your own point.
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Have you dealt with a top shelf woman? Where do you derive your opinions from, is it experience or online? Not attacking you but pretty much all youre saying is exactly what is said in red pill content, when i speak on this its from either direct experience or friends and family. I'd also be open to stats of course. People tend to marry people with the same education as themselves - "Some 86% of household heads with a four-year college degree – and at least one parent with a degree – have a spouse or partner who is also a college graduate" (Pew Research) This kind of affects your point, your idea would be that rich guys would go with any hot girl regardless of her status, but this just isnt true according to this trend. In general people want to marry people around the same level, its also more likely because of the circles they may move in, for example a lot of people might meet at university or at their job etc. Again, i'm not saying that there arent transactional people who would marry exclusively for looks or for money but its not really the norm.
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Nah bro with respect this is a very basic surface level view. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, yes maybe in certain industries this game gets played ie entertainment industry. You also get men who just want to fuck as many women as possible and women who want to extract as much money as possible. But in general day to day relationships not everyone is transactional in this way. It's kinda like saying in all friendships it's about what you can get from the other person in terms of resources, yes it happens but most people would prefer genuine friends they can connect authentically with. Women are attracted to guys that make them feel good, it's pretty much that simple. If you talk to a woman for 10 mins and you have an amazing vibe, she's not thinking about how much money you make and how powerful you are, she's just enjoying the vibe. She might think about the practical stuff later if/when it comes to that. Homeless guys get girls, broke guys get girls, fat guys get girls, yes their charisma has to be high but it shows that confidence and charisma is probably the most important factor. No matter how much money you got, if you make a woman feel uncomfortable she won't want to be around you, unless she's just trying to take advantage of you. One thing I'll agree with you on is being 'nice' doesn't work but that's because its inauthentic, women can sense this and it makes them feel uncomfortable. Main thing if you're grounded and authentic in who you are, you will have your best chance with women, doesn't mean they'll all like you, you'll just put yourself in the best position you can be in.
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Here's the thing, women want to meet and get in relationships with men, the issue men are finding is that women's standards are higher than before, when guys just had to have a job because women couldn't earn nearly as much. We now live on a more free society, which is what everyone always wants, so women are free to work and don't 'need' men in the same way they mightve previously. Does that mean the end of relationships? No, it means we've all climbed up the hierarchy of needs as a collective society and so things like, love and belonging and self-esteem are what people are after. Which means that men who previously weren't encouraged to show emotion and have emotional iq, can not provide these things to a woman, so women are not choosing these men. Most of the black pill and red pill content is designed for these types of men, instead of teaching them how to elevate and become complete people, they teach then that it's the women's fault for wanting more and that women are hypergamous and are just going to leave you if they get a better offer. Nothing about how to have a healthy relationship, just about maintaining the victim mindset. This gets clicks cos it hits on pain points of men that have been rejected or been in bad relationships and it keeps them there because there isn't actually a solution, so they keep consuming the content and feel validated for not improving their situation.
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I like him, his youtube content is really good as well
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@MarkKol Their content is designed to resonate with you. If you think about a con man, to the person theyre conning, theyre great, they say all the right things, they make them feel seen, they offer hope etc and sometimes even if you see red flags you ignore them because of all the 'positive' stuff. A con man gives you the promise of what you want but never really gives it to you and takes what he wants from you the deeper you're drawn in. Think about the girls he groomed, when they met he gave them passionate love, understanding, an attractive presentation, promised they would get married etc, to these girls this is what they've always wanted. Because of that when he asks them tp gey on camera and make money for him theyre willing to make that sacrifice because they've bought into the lie. What I would say is Tey and fi d role models or mentors that don't wish to exploit you and don't slip in toxic advice with the good advice. Also never follow someone fully just take what is useful.
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Yeah it was wild back then, some would even get a camera in the room when they got backed. Imagine the girl watching and theyre breaking down everything your saying, how to counter your points, escalating etc you just thought that was an attractive guy with charisma
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It's a bit gray area because you can't really film without consent if you're going to publish, you need release forms otherwise you could get sued. Usually in-fields blur the faces which in theory I guess would be on the right side if legality but it's still a bit morally dubious as their voices are usually clear as well as any identifying marks, they have no idea they're being filmed and in some cases they could be quite compromising situations. So it's not completely clean hence the backlash
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You would know better than me, but public facing the optics weren't as bad for rsd as others, behind the scenes it was probably different
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The Julien thing was bad but i think what put the nail in the coffin was really bad, unscrupulous PUAs. RSD definitely had its issues and maybe just the idea of training guys to roam the streets trying to talk to girls looks really bad inherently. Some PUAs just took it to another level and were actually scumbags who would push it too far with girls. Youtube just didnt really police any pick-up content but the backlash against these guys was too much for them to ignore. RSD actually survived Juliengate but they just couldnt have survived the onslaught on the whole industry, which wasnt necessarily their fault but they were part of it. It seems like it affected Owen a lot but if he was being honest and took responsibility, he wouldve seen the changes he needed to make. Leo called him out in the pick-up rant video and i think Owen responded as well so he was aware. Anyway this Vice doc about Justin Wayne was really the final bullet -
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I dont think all of them really support Trump but they do know most of their audience does, so if they dont speak too much about politics they probably didnt vote Trump, I saw a Jeffy video the other day that made me think that, Not sure about the rest, Owens def on the Trump train though
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Racial segregation and jim crow is a bit much, anything close to that will cause a civil war. I think the most damaging thing that will happen is the mass deportation, that will destroy families, jobs the economy, sentiment toward the US. The other thing is if he actually does the tariffs that could mess up a lot of things as well. The US will be set back immensely, even if he does 10% of what hes saying, but the segregation stuff would be a stretch, thats a really fringe issue.
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Consept replied to Thetruthseeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
yeah it could be or most likely theyll be a crash and we'll rise and then go through the same bullshit again. -
Consept replied to Thetruthseeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Yeah i think a mix of fear of what was happening, anti-establishment sentiment, social media making it easy to distribute misinfo and yeah free time as well. During the time I would get daily content sent to me via wats app of just total bullshit and people would believe it. Im not even talking vaccine skepticism, I mean like a video of army vehicles being transported on the motorway and people believing that the army was going to lock down london. This is family members, friends etc who i thought were reasonable people, tbf when I did point out the bullshit with evidence some did back down, but it made me see how easy it was for people to be taken in because of the situation. So I think since then the anti-establishment sentiment has remained as well as the social media stuff although that started to get regulated a bit better. Remember before covid there was no need for the misinformation tags on posts, a lot of this was developed because of covid. Yeah thats the crux of it, its jarring because we might have thought humanity was at a certain point but its obviously not there yet, so its accepting where we are at and i guess doing what we can from our position. I do sometimes feel im living in an insane asylum. Whats weird as well is that the amount of comfort, freedom and opportunity America have compared to the rest of the world, most of it anyway, is insane. Of all the countries to rebel its so strange that America are rebelling, like what do you even want? youre already winning -
Wow thanks man, very helpful and i really respect what youve put into the game. Ive bookmarked your post and im definitely going to try some of the steps youve suggested
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Consept replied to Thetruthseeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Im with you bro, it always blew my mind that anyone could fall for Hitlers rhetoric and that blind and emotional to let someone like that do what he did. I didnt think people were actually that emotionally led. But here we are, I think covid and social media have led to this, where people realised they could just alter their perspective of reality and get others to follow. I read by our side you mean reason and actual desire for truth and understanding, whatever 'party' or form that takes. The right are obsessed with the right 'winning'. I completely hear you though, I can definitely imagine that case study -
Consept replied to Thetruthseeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Is this your belief? This could be a good issue to prove my point. My contention would be you believe most immigrants are criminals because of hateful rhetoric that youve heard, to the point where you truly believe something is true that casts a terrible light on a group of people. What percentage of criminals do you think are criminals and do you have evidence or statistics that can confirm most immigrants are criminals? -
Dunno itll probably get a bit technical but keeping it broad is there anything i can do to get to 2000, my highest was 1750
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Consept replied to mr_engineer's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
OK bud, wishing you the best though, just get the sense things are a bit tough for you at the moment -
What's your ranking? I'm like 1600, could do with some tips actually
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Consept replied to mr_engineer's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@mr_engineer how's life, are you happy? Genuinely