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You can't see how it's faulty because you want to hold on to your position. I would be happy to talk about the reality of the situation but then if you dismiss it because as you said you don't know anyone who has it then it would be necessary to use an example or a hypothetical, but then you dismiss that by saying it's not reality. So you can see that it's basically impossible to discuss on any meaningful level

Well no, I haven't actually stated my position in this conversation. I'm just saying it's faulty logic, but I notice that there hasn't been an actual reply that focuses on my points from either of you, its just the usual attack on character or criticising the use of examples lol that's a new one. Also it's a long thread and I haven't seen what you said Leo saying, but just because it's Leo it wouldn't stop me from addressing it, I've disagreed with plenty he's said before. So I'm not sure what you're advocating for, are you saying faulty logic shouldn't be questioned?

It's a poor argument for a couple reasons. Let's say everyone took up your logic and let's say covid is as serious as is being made out. Using your logic only those directly affected would take it seriously or take any precautions, that means when it first started and say only a few million people had it, by the rest of the population not taking it seriously it means that it will spread quicker and become more serious in terms of hospitals being backed up, as well as deaths, illness etc. Which means your logic will always lead to the situation being worse. The other thing is let's say you had a disease and this disease affected 5% of the population. It was disease that can seriously impact your life. Would it make sense to you if people doubted that the disease existed or was as severe as you, who has the disease claim? Because of this doubt there isn't funding for research and people who maybe carry it asymptomatically refuse to take any precautions or even get tested, simply because they don't know anyone that has it. As humans we are all connected as much as you think youre completely individual it just doesn't play out like that. It's like one branch of the tree saying 'the tree getting cut down doesn't affect me because I'm not getting cut down'

It's not about whether cancer is contagious, your argument (correct me if I'm wrong) is that part of the reason you don't think covid is an issue or at least as much of an issue as has been made out, is because in your experience of people in your town and proximity they haven't had the negative effects that have been outlined by other commentators. So what I'm saying, is using your logic that if you don't see anyone in your vicinity with certain effects from a condition, I could in theory make the same argument that I haven't seen anyone with cancer so therefore cancer is not an issue. I'm sure you don't need me to say you can change out cancer for any condition. A better example might be I don't know anyone with malaria so therefore there shouldn't be a need for a vaccine in Africa, maybe it isn't really that bad because I haven't seen it personally. It's not a personal attack on you, it's just a very poor argument.

I think this is possibly the weakest argument I've heard and keep hearing. By your logic if you don't know anyone with cancer then cancer isn't a valid issue and we should stop researching into it.

It's good for a foundation, but once you get into marketing and niche areas within that, your experience is more valuable than the books because you know first hand what will work. It's not like you can just read the books and automatically that means you can be successful at it, if that was the case it would be pretty easy

It depends, lets say for example you agree that there is no evidence for a link to autism, none has been found so its not a stretch, and lets say Wakefield agrees, which he also has. Then it follows that his character is highly questionable, not so much for doing the research itself but from his actions apart from the research. Actions such as championing Anti-vaxxers and 'documentaries' such Vaxxed which are is basically anti-vax propaganda and doesnt have any scientific merit. As well, the implication is that this is just a scientist asking the hard questions and was thrown out of the medical establishment because of that, but this is not the case, there is a solid paper trail in which Wakefield stood to profit specifically from the mmr - autism link - https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/vaccines/24293 Even now he does speaking arrangements and is paid well by anti-vaxxers to legitimise the position, if he was being honest he wouldnt do this, as he would say that there isnt actually a link. So is the defamation justified, i would say yes, if someones profiting off research that was thrown out and that they cant even say the conclusions are true then that would lead me to question the persons character. This is an interesting video -

What would be key to this argument is if there is actual evidence that vaccines are linked to autism. Wakefield himself said something along the lines that he couldn't see a link but he should be able to investigate it. Do you have any evidence on the link?

No problem, it was a good read ? Would be interesting to get your insights on the experiences you had with conspirituality, I think it's one of those things that's there but not really discussed

I read your article, very interesting story but its great that you went through that journey and you feel lighter and happier now. What happened at the spiritual community though, i didnt see anything about that? Yeah its a real trend, Rebel Wisdom called it 'conspirituality'. ive never vibed with the new age devotees either, there seems to be a lot of almost religious, fundamentalist beliefs in it as well as a lot of ego especially when their whole identity is based around it. But there are some positives and if they can just drop some of the beliefs theyll probably see things slightly different. Rebel Wisdom actually talk about this phenomenon, have a search on youtube for it

Yeah i guess they would change or evolve might be a better way to say it. In the same way the purple values of being able to hunt are not really relevant anymore in terms of attraction. But of course we're not in that abundance at the moment and probably if society collapsed and you did need to be able to hunt, that would probably be attractive again. So it really depends on where society is, but no specific thing is necessarily hard wired and cant change.

I'm not sure it's just orange, at higher levels it's not the main factor but I'd still say it's necessary. Remember higher levels still incorporate lower levels and being able to gather resources is in important foundation

It's interesting what triggers people

Nice I dont think anyone lacks fear, i just think some people dont let fear dominate them or dont give into it, but the same impulses you have one someone confronts you is similar to what he would have, hes just mastered it to an extent. Part of that mastery is to be confident and positive, there of course some genetic factors in this and amount of serotonin you have but im more talking about what is in your relative control in terms of mindset. We dont know how Arnold would react in an actual violent situation, also as far as i know hes not actually trained to fight. So these are two different situations youre talking about, the egg situation is very different to being physically challenged. The comparison is more with other politicians in a similar situation and in comparison to them id say hes more self developed and theres something to be learnt within that. Just for a comparison -

I dont think it's as simple although what you said might play into it. There are many politicians who react very badly to eggs or things like that thrown at them. His reaction seemed like someone who was very confident and positive and genuinely believes in the system. I've always thought Schawzebenegger had a great mindset, key to that is not blaming people and you can see he didn't here

I would say it's more nature than nurture, simply because if you look at animals they still have certain dynamics between the genders. Although they may differ from ours they have very clearly defined male and female roles. Quick example would be a gorilla where the male is 50% bigger than female, this is said to be because of their social structure in which there tends to be one alpha male and he has to fight off other males to be the one to reproduce with all the females, so therefore it's the one who's the biggest and strongest that reproduces. All primates including us, have size differences between male and females because of reason along these lines. So it's not really a social construct its something that has worked and been part of our evolution forever. In fact it's worked so well that, we apparently don't need it anymore for survival. So when feminists say they want to tear it down what they miss is that they're only able to consider tearing it down because it worked and gave them that freedom. What they're doing is throwing the baby out with the bath water, because there are aspects that we can improve of course, but there were also aspects that were essential for us, such as looking after a kid with both positive masculine and feminine influence.

Theres a lot more in tuna and breastmilk, but you dont see too many protests for those

@Emerald Im sorry but as detached as you think youll be from the interactions, i just cant see you getting many replies. I think youre overestimating how your frame and not caring position would be successful, especially if you use an average guy for the picture, average being a rating of 5, if you get one swipe right ill be surprised. I think you should put this to the test though

Man, spammers are getting intricate these days

Ive only bought private used with cash, in theory its great because you dont have any interest payments and also you can resell it in a year or two whenever you want to upgrade and put that toward the new car. The downside is if things go wrong you have to pay repairs and you can end up spending a lot on it, happened with my current car unfortunately. Everyones advice is good i just wanted to throw in a couple of slightly out the box ideas that might work for you though. Theres now companies that let you rent your car out when youre not using it, one in the states is Turo. So if you do get finance you maybe able to offset some of this cost if you dont use the car on certain days. Of course this could also be done if you buy cash, but if you want a slightly more expensive car and havent got the cash this maybe a way to do it. This honda civic for example you can get $43 a day - https://turo.com/gb/en/car-rental/united-states/los-angeles-ca/honda/civic/943275?searchId=8Bjpzug- So if you rent it out, lets say 10 days p/m youll make $433 a month, which may even cover your finance or give you a bit of extra cash. The other thing ive seen recently is electric car subscriptions, these are good because theyre all in one, you get the car, free electric with some companies, free insurance and tax, plus if anything goes wrong with it theyll pay repairs. You can also do month to month contracts and upgrade or change the car when you want. In the UK its fairly cheap but im not sure the companies that do it in America, but might be worth looking into.

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Just thought id throw this in, ties in to a lot of the issues raised in this thread -

Just something I've been thinking about. So there seems to be quite a negative connotation associated with making money amongst spiritual circles but I've noticed a lot of it on the forum, someone will advise someone to start a business and the other will say 'I don't really care about material things'. Don't get me wrong it's very easy to fall into the 'never having enough' mindset and devoting all your time to making more and more money, whilst neglecting other areas of your life, this is something that happens commonly. But isn't this the case with any material 'success', for example you can go to toxic extremes with working out, relationships, eating healthy, reading etc, all of these and more definitely have the ability to overtake your life, however people will always advise them because the upside is so good if they're done consciously. Why is it any different with business and making money? This is a life skill that, as long as you don't get addicted to it, can teach you so much and not only that can set a foundation for you to do everything else you want to do and also help others. If you have certain principles like basically dont be a dick and rip people off, then why not develop this skill?

Hmm heres the thing though, youre obviously more mature and youve contemplated a lot of these things and worked on yourself etc. The majority of women who would be attractive physically to most guys on the forum or otherwise, are likely to be young, not as mature, probably not contemplated or worked on themselves. Especially if they are really attractive as theres not much incentive to do so, what these means is in practice when guys go out, even if theyre not narcissistic or sociopathic, they notice that if they play with these traits, they will get more success with good looking girls, it can also work with more mature girls, but in which case you can just switch up your approach anyway. Relationship wise, its almost essentially to have the raw but tamed aspect, otherwise there will be problems, but initially im the fuck persona is much more successful. Having said that if you are truly integrated and a high value male you will be at the highest level of attractiveness if its authentic. Problem is thats a lot of work lol, so most, even by definition wont be able to reach those levels.

You might also be interested in this to show how anti-vaxxers have taken their opportunity over the pandemic. The following quote is from a report by CCDH (center for countering digital hate) you can find the full report on their website - Anti-vaxxers see Covid as an historic opportunity A number of speakers at the NVIC conference presented the Covid pandemic as an historic opportunity to popularise anti-vaccine sentiment. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told activists listening to the conference “All of the truths that we've been trying to broadcast for many, many years. There are people hearing it and the impact and those seeds are landing on very fertile ground.”12 The disgraced physician Andrew Wakefield echoed these sentiments, saying “The population who are aware of these issues has grown dramatically in the face of coronavirus, Covid-19. It is now an issue for discussion by everyone.”13 Other anti-vaxxers such as Sherri Tenpenny highlighted the Covid pandemic as an opportunity to build a wider movement with campaigners against masks and lockdowns: “We need everyone to get politically active, get behind this cause, get behind Hugs Over Masks, get behind MAD, Mothers Against Distancing, get behind the NVIC, the National Vaccine Information Center, get behind the things that we're doing over at vaxxter.com, and Courses for Mastery, and our boot camp course that open enrolment is coming up again, the end of September. All the things that we're doing, we need all hands on deck. We need everybody to release their fear from their brains, get rid of their masks, go hug people and absolutely say no. Wake up your community.”