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Attributes of being good with women- Non-neediness Being comfortable in your own skin/authentic/confident Not taking rejection personally Able to be light and playful Treat them like a human not someone who you worship and equally not someone you look down on Not pushy Able to be vulnerable and put yourself out there Being able to escalate smoothly, not too slow not too fast Confidence but not arrogance, women can easily sniff out insecurity Be serious when required Be able to handle your emotions, esp when potentially emotional situations arise Able to keep your frame

I have a few good friends but it gets tougher as you get older. I'm in my late 30s and everyone I know pretty much has kids and families, so finding time to hang out can be really difficult.

Yeah you are right, culture and other factors influence what girls see as 'investment' and that varies widely. But i still think the sex thing stands because lets say you go on a few dates a Ukrainian girl and you get a kiss, she still wouldnt be as invested in you as if she had sex with you. Thats not to say she wouldnt be invested at all from the dates or that she wouldnt be more invested than a liberal American girl for example but she would definitely be a lot more invested after sex.

It works the other way as well though, as in if she sees you as high value and you don't have sex with her, she can see that as a rejection and withdraw from you. So either way sex removes the doubt

@Vrubel Do you know who Johan is though, like is it conformed he's not her brother or something like that? Either way she doesn't seem to be showing a lot of investment but as Leo said this isn't really unusual after a 1 or 2 dates, the most investment you can hope for is that she agrees and goes to another date until you have sex. It is really weird, if you have a one night stand and you don't even know them that well, they will be 100x more invested than if you went on 3 dates and know their middle name and first job, but didn't have sex

accurate though

What you're saying sounds butthurt

Feels like you do, you make a lot of posts about nice guys being treated unfairly

Ill tell you this no girls regardless of quantity of brain cells, are sending love letters to nice guys that complain that girls are only attracted to assholes. OK nice guy, well covered

Nicely stated Are you saying that women dont send romantic letters to male prisoners or just do it for publicity? Prisoners get a lot of letters btw. But I like how you dismiss every bit of information to suit your personal narrative. I think youve got some quite good advice in this thread, so take the time to actually absorb it.

YES Alex Murdaugh who is doing 2 life sentences for killing his wife and son receives tons of emails from women wanting to be with him - https://nypost.com/2023/04/28/alex-murdaugh-receives-scores-of-love-letters-in-prison-i-have-become-obsessed-with-you/ Probably not the best women but still.

Jack the Ripper probably got chicks, problem is he killed them. But yeah psychopaths and sociopaths usually do quite will with women If you say so, everyone has a bit of asshole in them, but obviously not you as you say youre nice Im so curious though In reality i know its none but its funny how defensive you are

Authentic is authentic it can include nice but thats not a defining quality. Yeah 100% if you have to fight about how much of a nice guy you are then youre not simple. Worse for you women have a keen sense for authenticity, so when a guy says their a nice guy thats usually a big red flag for them. If they say nice guys arent nice it probably is a shit test and if you react badly to it you confirm their suspicions that you are actually an asshole but youre covering it in a nice guy facade, which is much worse than if you just owned the fact that youre an asshole. Liars a bit strong but you are somewhat dishonest, although you did lie about your 5 conquests right?

By my calculations 'nice guys' (this is distinct from guys that are genuinely nice) don't get many, if any, women interested in them romantically, authentic guys do. If you want to disprove this calculation as you are a self-proclaimed nice guy, you can state how many women you've had romantic relationships with. If you've had some then maybe your calculations could be considered, if you've had very few or as i suspect none at all them my original calculation works out in this case.

More like the annoying kid that thinks he knows math better than anyone else despite not ever having completed an equation

You're projecting a lot. You see how you can't be authentic, that's what probably comes across to women from self-proclaimed nice guys, especially when they assert some kind of moral higher ground which is also what you've done in your posts. If your statement - 'Nice guys aren't actually nice' its a shit test. Was a shit test, you would've failed it by defending your nice guyness. If you want to truly get better with women and want advice or input from others here then start with being honest about where you are. Atm youre like the white belt trying to teach a class.

It's important because you're sitting here giving advice to people when you most likely have very little experience yourself. I don't even believe your number because it contradicts what you said previously, unless all 5 have happened in the last few months. Just be honest bro

So just to confirm that's no sexual relationships with women? Have you had any relationships with women?

@mr_engineer It's inauthentic to call yourself a nice guy yes. Thanks for tips though, have you had a lot of sexual relationships with women?

Self proclaimed 'Nice guys' are by definition inauthentic because they deny their darker side. No one is completely nice or completely bad, it's all about claiming all parts of you to be authentic. Women would rather have authenticity which will include not being nice to her sometimes, than a guy putting her up on a pedalstool and trying to be perfect all the time. Anyway let's laugh at nice guys some more

Do guys actually say to girls that theyre nice, is that an actual thing? 'Im so nice that if you dont go out with me it means you dont like nice guys'

They wouldnt sue the girl, they would sue the publication, anyone can go to the media and sell a story but its the outlet that would be liable if the story turns out to be false. Remember when Fox news ran with Trumps story that the election was rigged? Trump didnt get sued for that but Fox did for 100s of millions, it would be the same in these assault cases. The girl could post on youtube but not many would probably watch it, she could still get a cease and desist order or a strike from youtube if the accused reports. If a media outlet did pick it up from youtube then they would be liable. The solution obviously wouldnt work so we still have the same problem. Keep in mind as well Epstein, Prince Andrew, Cosby, Saville etc were never found guilty, if we go by your method, none of these peoples crimes wouldve come to light.

It is really difficult tbh, the best way is to try and look at things from all perspectives. People tend to get stuck in one perspective if they like the person. For example with Brand people are consuming his content but not acknowledging his bias and are not steel-manning the other side so they just take what he says as truth. The shit hits the fan with this assault issue because the fact is no one apart from Brand and the girls know exactly what happened yet people are still defending and will disregard any evidence so they are definitely not agnostic. Its even more extreme with someone like Tate in which there is tons of evidence and even him on camera admitting it but people still support him. So our aim as individuals should be to have as clear a perspective as possible and recognise our own bias', it is difficult given all the info but i think its possible. It would be good if everyone was taught critical thinking as well.

Yes of course, it makes national or even international press because of his fame and how many people are interested in him, its the equivalent to the influence he has on the world. But also if it was a local story the press would cover that as well. Catholic priests and teachers get caught all the time, there was a whole film called Spotlight based on the media exposing the catholic church and its protection of pedophiles. Epstein got away with what he was doing for years its only when the media started reporting on it that it came into the public consciousness. People and institutions with power are very much able to silence victims, this is the whole point of where the media can fulfil an important service. Not anyone can just attack powerful people because its so difficult thats the whole point, how many powerful abusers who actually did what they were accused of, got away with it for decades. As well you cant just defame people without legal ramifications so people can not run around just accusing without any foundation. I agree that women probably should get charged for false accusations but again its as hard proving that as it is to prove the rape actually occurred, its one word against another, but if they can prove it they should get charged. The media shouldnt be involved in every case obviously, just the ones where there wasnt justice and where there is strong evidence.