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@Rafael Thundercat What I mean is that I don't think they're solely unintentionally doing it, i think men have a big part to play as well as i outlined.

Ive seen this guy before, he comes across as really trying to appeal to red pill guys but with a psychological background which gives him a certain authority. Thats not to say everything he says is nonsense but he is quite clearly biased and i think he panders a lot rather than actually speaking truth. His presentation is really about not showing any emotion as to give away this bias. Speaking on the topic at hand, ultimately majority of women want long term relationships but the issue is that women in the modern age dont need men for the same things they may have needed them for previously. As such their standards have increased, they need more connection, emotional intelligence, good conversation etc. Men in a lot of cases find it hard to reach these standards but also (at least the ones left out of the dating market) havent even got a lot of positive attributes their fathers had. Add to that social media, dating apps etc makes it very difficult for these guys. From experience i just dont think most women want polygamous situations but would probably rather have that than a guy who hasnt get any of his shit together physically, mentally, psychologically etc. The psychologist seems to be saying women should lower their standards but i think its on man to up their quality. In nature you would never have a situation where the male wouldnt do whatever was necessary to attain the female, if he did have a victim mindset he would just die out. Its harsh on us because there have been so many changes recently but it is what it is and you have to use it to improve and get what you want or dont.

Statistically, having a good marriage can boost your life in many ways. Key word being good though, a bad marriage can really destroy you so it's a lot to do with choosing the right person and also being the right person.

It doesn't even necessarily have to be fudging. Where I'm coming from is that I've had 2 long term previous relationships, which I more just kinda fell into, rather than meeting different people and deciding what might be the best fit. So coming at it from my perspective now I wouldn't really want to just dive into something else without having met and spent time with a few different women. It doesn't have to be sex or a relationship. I'm just saying I wouldn't lie to anyone, if they ask I'd say what's happening ie just out of a relationship, looking to meet and date different women and if someone is a good fit then take it to the next level. @Princess Arabia thanks your response and thanks to @meta_male as well. Yeah this is the line of thinking I'm kinda going down. Ultimately I don't want to hurt anyone but I think it would be cool to just meet new people, whether that's a deeper connection or not. It's not a lifestyle I'd want indefinitely, but probably til I get the feeling to settle down properly, which realistically I don't think would be that long

I get you but say you're dating to find the right one, or just want to meet people in between relationships? So not really to boost ego but more to have different experiences temporarily. Also not lying, so if asked one might say that you are seeing other people with a view if the right one comes along it would change things

Yeah if you watch like the next 5 mins of the film, they're a couple just doing a role play bit. So aside from it being exaggerated because it's a film, it's also exaggerated within the context of the film as the characters are doing an extreme version of something. Interesting how you have an idea of how things are and then tack it on to examples you can find.

The whole point of Tucker doing this interview was to lay the ground work for Trump being able to reason with Putin, but in reality its not worked because Putin dictated (pun intended) the whole interview and wasnt pushed back on anything.

Definitely agree, but the issue is that if you let one man have such power and then sympathise with his rhetoric you could end up with another Hitler situation. If you go pre WW2 what Hitler said could make sense in terms of how Germany had been treated, in which case it then becomes easier for him to gain more power and then do what he did. I believe countries that are insular, have a bit of a chip on their shoulder (rightly or wrongly) and have a leader who has total power are usually going to be a threat to the world as their interests are only for their own country often at the expense of others. Putin falls into this category, but what i cant really understand is why some Americans are supporting him, it seems quite weird considering the anti-commie rhetoric that has been propagated by the US for so long and how it is direct opposition with the US way of life.

Putin often revises history in a way that suits his goals https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/vladimir-putins-revisionist-history-of-russia-and-ukraine Ultimately his mission is to make Russia a super power and reunite the soviet Union. This can't be just through force he has to change the narrative and unite the Russian people to believe there is no choice but to do what he's doing.

I think the twin flame belief is basically to give the believer certainty in something that by its very nature is uncertain. Relationships take a leap of faith because you never know what's going to happen as its out of your hands to a certain extent. If you introduce this overarching idea that the 2 of you are made for each other then, in a way you no longer need to take that leap because you can lean on the belief. But whatever belief you want to make reality is reality and relationships work sometimes and don't sometimes. True faith is accepting whatever is.

What about working at a gym? You come in contact with lots of people, most of which have good routines and are health conscious. You don't have to do crazy hours and you can have conversations where you're not shouting in someone's ear

I think it depends, I'm from the UK as well and it's nor so normal in the south especially in big cities, but up north, Ireland, Scotland its very normal

I've experienced a couple of perspectives to this. One is growing up in South London, UK where you would never smile at a stranger and there was a defensive environment as people who were 'nice' to you could try and rob you. In this environment, in general I wasn't happy so it never occurred to me to smile at anyone. Moving to a smaller town as an adult, some people, not everyone, would smile or greet me in shops or even on the street. I believe people in smaller towns don't have to have their guard up and so are free to express happiness, this seemed strange to me when I first moved. After while, I got into that frame and didn't feel I'm danger, so now I may smile or even get into small convos with random people. I don't go out of my way to do it but if I'm in the right mood or state I find it quite a loving thing to do, to acknowledge someone else's existence. But I also understand why someone might not feel to do it.

The mindsets can be linked, in that someone just might have a negative idea of life that they can't achieve anything and it's not worth trying and of course that can extend to several areas like financial etc. But it's also very possible that you can have a lot of money and still not be good with women, at best you could attract gold diggers who don't really like you but like what your money can do for them. Money is important because it can help you level up in different areas, have better clothes, work out, go to therapy etc but it's not a draw by itself. I'd actually put it quite low at of all the attributes that are attractive in of themselves, a homeless person with a lot of game and charisma could attract women, whereas a rich person who's awkward, has no game would definitely have a harder time. Of course there are always hurdles whatever your situation, life is pretty much about getting over hurdles. But what happens with the incel mentality is they believe because there are hurdles what they want to do is not possible and then create a narrative, that they feel is science backed, to justify not even trying. The reality is they are scared to put themselves out there and risk rejection, getting over that fear is the first hurdle a d they are not willing to attempt to jump it. It's like if I want to learn guitar but I'm not good right away, so I start researching and find out people with my hand shape aren't guitarists or some other reason and then never try. Meanwhile there are people with one hand that are learning guitar somehow.

@Bobby_2021 I get what your saying and if it was just a matter of having sex with the boss it would be a bit more tricky to prove anything. The problem is that he was essentially using her as a sex slave and getting her to have sex with lots of his friends, colleagues etc. Using coercion to do it, ie if you want xyz you need to do what I say. There's a confirmed story that he literally shit on her head while they were having a threesome with one of his friends/co-workers and refused to let her go and clean up before they finished fucking her. I mean this was next level humiliation. If you look into the case it's actually shocking. So Vinces argument can only be that she's into it. But I think people seem to have a hard time understanding grooming because they think, 'well I wouldn't have done that they could've chose not to do that', but if you're vulnerable and someone like Vince is specifically targeting you, you dont really stand a chance. Grooming happens all the time, normal people get groomed to join cults or gangs or to basically do things they never would've considered before the grooming started. Its deep psychological manipulation and most people just don't see it coming. But yeah if it's just sex with the boss it would be he said, she she said. If the person is given a job specifically to be groomed to be a sex slave and sexually humiliated then yeah that's something else.

I don't think money is really a factor with incels. What stops incels, and others with similar mindsets, is that they just don't believe improvement is possible. Their whole ideology is based around them being doomed by things out of their control, mainly their looks. If they do have a lot of money they're more likely to spend it on plastic surgery rather than coaching or self improvement. To learn anything you have to have the mindset that you can do it, same with therapy. You have to believe that you can improve your depressed state otherwise there is no way you will go to therapy. Conversely, if you do believe that it's possible, nothing will stop you, even not having enough resources. If you really thought it was possible to improve your dating life you would do everything in your power to make it happen, even if that meant volunteering with one of them to learn from them. So the hurdle is always your belief and mindset.

The Vince case is pretty cut and dry, the texts are next level extreme, there a multiple people involved. The other guy named has thrown Vince under the bus and now said he was also a victim. The only possible defense Vince could have is that she wanted it and was into it but the extent of his power over her is so much that I don't think it's valid. Also its not like she did sex work before I was even known to be into wild shit, Vince at the start called her innocent and child like, he went for her specifically because of these traits not because she was into wild shit. The fact that Tate is siding with him or making a claim that she did this of her free will really sums up who he is. For him not to see a problem with behavior like this also condems him and why he doesn't see a problem with his own behavior. His team can not be happy with him commenting like this, it's crazy

This whole thread is just OP describing what he believes to be himself and then subtly complaining because he can't get a girlfriend even though he has all these positive attributes.

This is the answer to this whole thing, guys just want theorise and come up with equations of why they can't do this, but this is it literally you can't get a better answer

Realistically it must be exhausting to live that life for an extended amount of time, physically, mentally, spiritually etc

I dont think Owens content on its own was that bad, but i think the way he hard sold his programs, the extortionate prices for bootcamps and the general culture around it wasnt great. Also there is some sort of axis of how popular you are to how controversial your content is in terms of you getting cancelled, so for example example no one was trying to cancel Tate a few years ago when not many people knew about him, however as soon as he gained a certain amount of audience and influence his views then got (rightfully scrutinised). I think Owen went through this where he hit a certain point of popularity and in fact, pick up as a whole gained popularity and because of this it was scrutinised and many didnt survive.

You're fearful of approaching and truly being yourself with people, everything else you said is a result of trying to justify that fear. This isn't a knock against you it's scary to approach people and depending on whatever trauma happened it can be even worse, but don't let your mind fool you into thinking its anything more than that. Once you accept its just an uncomfortable feeling you can then begin challenging that feeling. Forget all your bullshit narratives they are holding you back. Look at this video below and check out the channel, guys who feel fear approaching, without the beliefs you ascribe to women.

Let me give you an example, if you think of kids say around 5 years old, they very often will just go up to each other and just ask 'do you want to play?'. Their intention is solely having fun and they know that it can be a lot more fun playing with someone else. Now imagine there was a kid who was constantly worried about what to say to the other kids so that they would like him, he might try saying weird stuff or try and be funny or be overly serious or anything that wasn't actually authentic to him. The other kids can feel this on some kind of level and don't want to play with him. It's not cos this kid is bad it's just they can feel the inauthenticity, it's like he's trying to hide something, even if they don't know what it is and his uncomfortableness, energetically passes onto them making them feel uncomfortable. If the kid was honest and said I'm nervous but I want to play for example the other kids would feel that congruity and would be sympathetic. Hopefully you can see how this may relate to you, you have a strong outcome dependence with women, even in the quote you say you want to get into a flow state to make panties drop, which is almost a paradox as a flow state doesn't require an outcome it just is. Also you're not being yourself, stop lying to yourself, there are probably people you can be yourself around, friends and family etc if you contrast how you are with them against how you are with women my guess is it would be night and day. So the practice is just talk to people with no ulterior motive at all and being brave enough to truly be yourself, the more you do it the easier it will be. Forget all this endless pontificating about how the world is against uncalibrated people, this is just an excuse for the fear of truly being yourself.

It's funny because things like this are just like seeking 'enlightenment' in that if you realise you are already all you need to be, you don't need to seek it. Meaning if you can just relax and not be outcome dependent and actually just enjoy the process of talking to someone and getting to know them, you will do 100x better than obsessing about every little thing you say. There is no activity I can think of where being in your head and unrelated helps your performance, whereas if youre loose and in the moment your performance will be the best in can be. Because you strongly want an outcome this makes you unable to be in the moment because in your mind too much is at stake, women can sniff this on you from the get go, so that is what you need to let go of before stepping to a woman.

Sounds stressful