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Of course, I'm not saying that it's perfect by default if there are 2 parents or that its terrible by default if there's one. What im saying is that for those guys that do have hatred toward women a lot of them are from single mother households, it is definitely a factor imo. For these guys it's easy to get swept up by red pill content because they don't actually know what healthy masculinity looks like

@Emerald This a good post and very necessary in terms of whats going on in general and on this forum. What I'd also add though and this is mainly anecdotal, but I think a lot of this anger men have toward women stems from household issues, so the scenario of the dad not being around and mum having to raise the child herself usually turns out problematic. If the father has left the mother will maybe justifiably, have resentment toward the father, she'll then teach the boy to be 'good' which is not masculine at all good and bad traits, this can lead to anger from the toward women child when them being nice doesn't lead to any success with women. Also keep in mind single parent households have been rising in number for the last few decades, so the sheer number of boys without good male role models in their life has become significant. On the other side if a boy just has a bad relationship with his mother, in which he didn't get love, that can also lead to a hatred of women because it triggers those feelings of rejection. Society definitely does have a hand in the repression of the feminine but I feel if there were more healthy role models around it wouldnt bevas extreme, the problem now is that if there are more unhealthy males they will also raise more unhealthy males.

Imagine talking for literal years on a forum about how you should be allowed to be creepy towards women, whilst never actually talking to any women irl. This is peak Internet. Let's say you win this argument @mr_engineer and everyone agrees with you, youll still be in the position. Just go out and talk to women, theyre not that bad i promise

I've always had a weird feeling about Jay Shetty, he just has an inauthentic aura about him but seems to be able to get a lot of high profile celebs (J.Lo, Will Smith etc) to become fans of his. He's supposed to be a spiritual leader who was an ex-monk but there's a lot of evidence showing that a lot of his back story if not all was fabricated, his ex-wife and ex-employees have come out with stories about him. He charges £7,500 for his course and claims it can be used as a university credit, which no university had verified. Very long article about all this here un the guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/ng-interactive/2024/feb/29/jay-shetty-self-help-empire?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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If someone comes up to you, lets say a bigger man and acts in a weird, socially uncalibrated way, would you feel comfortable with them?

@mmKay Do you think those at the top know its bullshit though? Like PBD, i get the feeling him and a few of his cohorts know exactly what they're doing, he himself said only 1 out of 100 will make it. Those below I understand them getting caught up in it, it functions the same as a cult where the members do genuinely believe in it and are sold this amazing dream.

Goes to show he good pbds gift was that Leo was taken in Tbf he is smart because he was able to cloak his mlm as if it was some legit insurance company, it wasn't, the main income was from recruiting others and only 1% made any real money from it, meaning the other 99% were how the 1% made money. This is why you need to have your own judgement on things, don't just take what Leo says automatically. The other thing with pbd is that he would never disavow mlms meaning he fully knows what he's doing and how he's taken advantage of people without any repentance. He isn't someone I'd want to learn from personally

Speaking on behalf of men on here -

I'm using it cos you used it OK be however you're being cos I'm sure every girl loves dumb debates about how you shouldn't be creep shamed. But also i cant get across how much i dont care about how you behave, i dont think ive got the vocabulary to fully explain how much i dont give a fuck

@mr_engineer Bro I couldn't care less if you want to be creepy, go for it, let me know what results you get from it

@Bobby_2021 What you're describing and what you dont like is the exreme of this ideology, which I completely get. What im trying to show you is that the extreme of any ideology comes across exactly the same. The extreme of the far right, qanon for example, comes across as completely insane. If you look at it from an overall perspective this will always be the case no matter what ideology were talking about, veganism, Christianity etc. As you brought up Christianity, there are also extreme versions of Christianity and they also wield a lot of power, they have banned books from school and many other acts of censorship. With woke ideology it wouldnt surprise me if the reporting on it heavily outweighed the impact and the people that subscribe to it. A perfect example is trans people, who are less than 1% of the population yet Conservative media talks about them an insane amount. This gives the perception to those caught up in the Conservative ideology, that trans people having rights is a massive threat to the country, in reality its barely relevant. Conservative media has worked out that if they talk about certain issues people will watch and so they give the more of what they want. Wokies as you say are annoying, so are qanon, so are Muslim extremists, so are fundamentalist Christian, so are scientologists, so are hard-core vegans, most of which considerable power and influence, question is why are wokist at the top of the agenda?

Yeah this is definitely an insecurity issue on his part, ultimately if you're with someone there has to be trust on both ends. If how you're saying it is accurate, whereby you're not going out often, not drinking etc then his fear around it seems over the top. Now to be sure, there could be reasons for this, maybe he was hurt in the past in this way or betrayed or something like that. It would be worth having an honest conversation where you try and get to the bottom of the issue and try and truly understand his perspective, even if you dont agree with it. If you have non-negotiables as you do , you need to be authentic with them, Otherwise you are essentially faking it to stay in the relationship. This builds up resentment at least from you to him and will not end well. If you try everything and he's still not getting it then unfortunately it may not work out long term, but if you think it's a worthwhile relationship then you should make every effort to work on it Bueno suerte

@mr_engineer lol he seems OK bro

I read it, the problem is solved op isn't gonna ask for photos of family and inside of house of someone he only just met for 5 mins going forward

Well thats what op is trying to learn and has gotten the advice he asked for

Agendas have always been injected through media, it is what it is. How many war films, action films with patriotic Americans defeating foreign terrorists, family films pushing nuclear families, this has been injected into media for years. There was even early media normalising slavery or black people in roles of servitude. Lots of right wing Conservative values have been injected into media as long there's been media, often to the detriment of the marginalised. If you want to be consistent you'd have to also accept this. Also keep in mind the right is still trying to do this, it's just that they don't have the pull that they once did and are losing the culture war. You only have to look at fox news or any right leaning media to see this. That doesn't mean that the left can't go to far, I can agree that there are some woke ideas that are just not really viable and even dumb but to say that this is just a thing the left is doing is very far from the truth. Keep in mind the extreme version of the right qanon, literally believes that the left are harvesting the blood of young people so that they can ingest it and gain youth, so crazy ideas are everywhere. In the age we're in no one has to be force fed anything, there a multiple options for the media you consume. So if Leo did do that then people would just stop watching him. But again this is no different from when the right gets criticised, if you went against abortion, gun rights, religion you would be shut down by the right. As I said there were rappers literally arrested because their lyrics were too sexual in the 90s and that era Conservative ideals were at the forefront. So my point is the exact same thing happens on both sides and its usually an excuse not to engage I'm real, good faith discussion with the 'opposition'. The right as you know it will die out probably in 20 years or so, they will not get into power, the new battle will be between center left and progressive left

No one called him creepy, they said what he did can come across creepy which he took as was intended. You're adding your own issues onto this

@bebotalk You're stuck on the demonisation of the left. What I'm directing you towards is that when the right was where cultural norms were more aligned with there was still a severe problem with censorship to the point where people were literally getting arrested for saying things that went against Conservative ideologies. Remember it was literally illegal to be gay in the western world up until the 60s and is still illegal in many countries in the world, so to dmsay that there wasn't censorship is far from the truth. What is happening is because the left is becoming more powerful, they have more power to censor those that don't align with them but don't fool yourself into thinking the right wouldn't do the same. You are more aligned with the right which is why you can't see this

That's amazing, you should be proud of yourself! You will find and probably have found, that once you make that shift and truly love yourself, you can now give freely. When you don't you'll always be in a taker mindset, as in you go into every situation in terms of what you can get out of it, or you feel like those around you haven't given you enough. You seem to have gotten into this giver mindset, when I say giver I don't mean just literally giving people money or whatever, I mean giving with your intention, your love, your compassion etc. People really feel that even if they dont articulate it, obviously in your situation your parents are feeling it and it's incredible you've reached that at a relatively young age!

Yeah essentially in your 20s ideally it should be an experimentation phase where you're just trying different things and seeing what sticks and what you enjoy. Most people in their 20s do a lot of partying as they feel that's what they should do because everyone does it, but as you mature you start to narrow down to what you actually like doing. Also I think in your 20s you want to really delve into any unaddressed trauma you might have or any mental issues and build up your self-awareness and self love. Essentially you want to make sure your ship is steady as you go further into life, from this perspective you will always make increasingly better choices as this improves. If you don't improve this and get into a routine, it will be harder to address the issues and then harder to get out of whatever situation you find yourself in. But as they say its all about the journey so enjoy it wherever it takes you

I think you always have to be authentic with whatever state you're in. What makes you not want to go is that you don't want to exert the energy it takes to force yourself to be upbeat. But if you just let yourself be whatever you are in the moment it takes a lot of pressure off. Also 9 times out of 10 if you do something fun with someone cool, your state will change for the better anyway because your mind is being occupied. It's harder to go into it from a negative state but I don't think you'll regret it

I dunno, just giving dictator states land when they start invading hasn't really worked out well in the past

Here's the thing in any culture group, there will always be the extreme 1 or 2% who treat the ideology as a religion. What happens in modern day is the the one side will often try and paint the whole opposing side as that 1 or 2% extreme. Conservatives are particularly good at this, which is why a lot of their focus and policies are based on 'battling wokisim', they're portraying a threat that even if it is there is no where near as extreme as they're making out. Someone said before in the thread that the 90s were a good balance and we were more free, this is completely misguided. You could not talk about gay issues or trans issues or even racial issues freely, you would get shut down by conservatives. Hip-hop music was constantly battling censorship, there were protests all the time to silence NWA, 2 Live Crew etc where members were literally arrested because of sexually explicit lyrics. The whole reason there is 'explicit content' sticker on physical media is because of this censorship. People tend to paint the 90s as some ideal time when everyone could say what they want, it's just not true. The only difference was the right ideals were more prominent, as in more of the population had a conservative mindset. Now the window has moved to the liberal mindset starting to be more dominant. Which of course the right is scared of and so they have to strawman the left and over exaggerate the threat so that you vote for them and they can save you from big bad wokism. All the republicans running for office have used wokism to campaign, they're not stupid, they know their potential voters are scared about it, there's probably market research companies who can would've worked out that most potential voters see wokism as the biggest threat to America. So the candidates play it up as if they can 'solve' this exaggerated problem, they would've saved america. Its nonsense, but they are good at it.