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This is good advice on how to talk to women

Yeah @Reignforest I think there's a lack of empathy and there's just disrespectful and how you described your situation it sounds like the latter. Have you talked to her about this, set your boundaries etc?

In general I think women can lack empathy toward men. This is to do with how we are socialised, men are encouraged to be independent, tough and not show emotions. Women are encouraged to basically be the opposite. Women see men more as protectors and men see women as people to protect. So in this whole equation, mens feelings are buried and so women treat them as such. It takes very conscious individuals to break these patterns. Ive also asked women about this and the ones ive asked genuinely dont consider mens emotions, these are not pyscho women, just normal, nice women.

Scenario: youre the leader of lets say the UK, your most trusted experts from various relevant fields inform of a virus that is imminently arriving to the UK, they predict a worldwide death toll of around 40 million people and around 5 million in your country. As well as the death toll they are not yet clear on the long term affects covid might have on the populations health, which could also be severe. They say the death toll can be curbed by as much as 60% if we take preventative measures such as lockdowns, people have to wear masks etc, but we have to do these asap, any delay will cause the virus to spread more. There are reports of many deaths in China, Italy, Spain and many other countries around the world. As a rich country the preventative measures will be possible although they will cost a lot and may affect the economy for the coming years, however the UK will still be one of the richest countries in the world. There will of course be impacts from the lockdowns that come with isolating people from each other, there will also be impacts to those that survive the virus. Do you go against the experts opinions and risk millions of peoples lives and not take the preventative measures, helping the economy but risking more people getting infected and potentially more deaths? Or do you go with the lockdowns and other preventative measures as advised by your experts, which, if successful will reduce the affect of the virus by 60%? (Remember you only have the information available to you at that time)

The first couple weeks were ok its just the next 2 years that were a mess

Keyword 'serious'

At the time you had to err on the side of caution, fear comes from the unknown and there were a lot of unknowns hence the fear was justified. No serious leader would gamble with their citizens lives even trump pushed the vaccine

Women will gravitate toward certain men but they rarely if ever approach men. So a big factor and where men can improve how food they are is simply getting comfortable approaching, this doesn't necessarily have to be complete cold approaching, it could be someone who goes to the places as you or friend of a friend, but point is men have to take action to even be in the running. This is just not happening now mainly because we look for easier routes so we don't have to go through rejection.

Attributes of being good with women- Non-neediness Being comfortable in your own skin/authentic/confident Not taking rejection personally Able to be light and playful Treat them like a human not someone who you worship and equally not someone you look down on Not pushy Able to be vulnerable and put yourself out there Being able to escalate smoothly, not too slow not too fast Confidence but not arrogance, women can easily sniff out insecurity Be serious when required Be able to handle your emotions, esp when potentially emotional situations arise Able to keep your frame

I have a few good friends but it gets tougher as you get older. I'm in my late 30s and everyone I know pretty much has kids and families, so finding time to hang out can be really difficult.

Yeah you are right, culture and other factors influence what girls see as 'investment' and that varies widely. But i still think the sex thing stands because lets say you go on a few dates a Ukrainian girl and you get a kiss, she still wouldnt be as invested in you as if she had sex with you. Thats not to say she wouldnt be invested at all from the dates or that she wouldnt be more invested than a liberal American girl for example but she would definitely be a lot more invested after sex.

It works the other way as well though, as in if she sees you as high value and you don't have sex with her, she can see that as a rejection and withdraw from you. So either way sex removes the doubt

@Vrubel Do you know who Johan is though, like is it conformed he's not her brother or something like that? Either way she doesn't seem to be showing a lot of investment but as Leo said this isn't really unusual after a 1 or 2 dates, the most investment you can hope for is that she agrees and goes to another date until you have sex. It is really weird, if you have a one night stand and you don't even know them that well, they will be 100x more invested than if you went on 3 dates and know their middle name and first job, but didn't have sex

accurate though

What you're saying sounds butthurt

Feels like you do, you make a lot of posts about nice guys being treated unfairly

Ill tell you this no girls regardless of quantity of brain cells, are sending love letters to nice guys that complain that girls are only attracted to assholes. OK nice guy, well covered

Nicely stated Are you saying that women dont send romantic letters to male prisoners or just do it for publicity? Prisoners get a lot of letters btw. But I like how you dismiss every bit of information to suit your personal narrative. I think youve got some quite good advice in this thread, so take the time to actually absorb it.

YES Alex Murdaugh who is doing 2 life sentences for killing his wife and son receives tons of emails from women wanting to be with him - https://nypost.com/2023/04/28/alex-murdaugh-receives-scores-of-love-letters-in-prison-i-have-become-obsessed-with-you/ Probably not the best women but still.

Jack the Ripper probably got chicks, problem is he killed them. But yeah psychopaths and sociopaths usually do quite will with women If you say so, everyone has a bit of asshole in them, but obviously not you as you say youre nice Im so curious though In reality i know its none but its funny how defensive you are

Authentic is authentic it can include nice but thats not a defining quality. Yeah 100% if you have to fight about how much of a nice guy you are then youre not simple. Worse for you women have a keen sense for authenticity, so when a guy says their a nice guy thats usually a big red flag for them. If they say nice guys arent nice it probably is a shit test and if you react badly to it you confirm their suspicions that you are actually an asshole but youre covering it in a nice guy facade, which is much worse than if you just owned the fact that youre an asshole. Liars a bit strong but you are somewhat dishonest, although you did lie about your 5 conquests right?

By my calculations 'nice guys' (this is distinct from guys that are genuinely nice) don't get many, if any, women interested in them romantically, authentic guys do. If you want to disprove this calculation as you are a self-proclaimed nice guy, you can state how many women you've had romantic relationships with. If you've had some then maybe your calculations could be considered, if you've had very few or as i suspect none at all them my original calculation works out in this case.

More like the annoying kid that thinks he knows math better than anyone else despite not ever having completed an equation

You're projecting a lot. You see how you can't be authentic, that's what probably comes across to women from self-proclaimed nice guys, especially when they assert some kind of moral higher ground which is also what you've done in your posts. If your statement - 'Nice guys aren't actually nice' its a shit test. Was a shit test, you would've failed it by defending your nice guyness. If you want to truly get better with women and want advice or input from others here then start with being honest about where you are. Atm youre like the white belt trying to teach a class.

It's important because you're sitting here giving advice to people when you most likely have very little experience yourself. I don't even believe your number because it contradicts what you said previously, unless all 5 have happened in the last few months. Just be honest bro