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This is a bad faith, ad hominom argument. Youre attempting to attack me rather than my argument. My argument is simple, but ill break it down for you, you made the claim that women are likely to call the police on men who they consider 'creepy' that approach them. I'm offering evidence to contrary which literally shows video proof of mostly socially, uncalibrated guys approaching women with no police being called and I'm asking if this changes your argument. You also suggested that you are someone who listens to facts and evidence over your feelings, however it doesn't look like you are taking the evidence I've presented into consideration, which sounds like a contradiction. Of course you are free to feel and believe whatever you want regardless of the evidence but it doesn't make it true.

As I said women rarely call the police or escalate things in that way, its literally only if the guy is being dangerous, check the video I posted and all the videos on that channel 100s of approaches and not once were the police called. It seems like if you're not taking this mountain of literal evidence into account then you maybe have come to your conclusions on feelings rather than facts.

They have a beta detector but they don't necessarily act threatened around 'betas'. In this instance betas basically means someone they're not attracted to, its more when a man beta or otherwise acts in a strange uncalibrated way that they then will react negatively. Women don't tend to act aggressively to the extremes you mentioned even in uncomfortable situations, I've known women to even give out their number or a fake number to deescalate the situation. There are some women who act offended when certain guys talk to them but these are usually insecure women. Generally rejections are never that bad, it's normally, I've got a boyfriend, I'm not interested etc. Unless the guy is overly persistent. Yeah this happens all the time, but the key is that the guy doesn't act toxic or dangerous before he emotionally ties her in. Essentially the man is scamming her, scams happen all the time, the woman really wants a certain type of guy, toxic guy acts like that, woman falls in love, toxic guy acts toxic. If you get scammed out of money by a business partner all you can do initially is use your best judgement, if the business partner is doing all the right things to gain your trust and then runs away with all the money there's not much you can do apart from have stronger boundaries next time, you might even go over the top with them. Exactly you develop a protocol for dealing with strange women, the same way women develop a protocol fir dealing with strange men. You as a man might not like that but it's not your safety in jeopardy. Same way it's not for people to tell men in colombia trying to stay safe that they should talk to more random women and communicate with them so they don't feel bad about being rejected. People are gonna do what they feel they need to do. You can't rely on facts because you may not and probably wont have any facts about a random person. If a strange guy goes up to a woman and is acting a bit weird and uncalibrated she doesn't have time to get his whole history and work out if her feelings are true, this is not how it works or even can work. Same way if a girl approaches you in colombia and you suspect she wants to drug and rob you, even she doesn't, you are much better off going with your feeling, because it only takes you being wrong once and you could be dead. I would also argue that unless you've approached or in general have talked to a lot of women, you are just going by a feeling that all women are going to shame or act negatively toward uncalibrated guys, but this is just a feeling and in this case you should gather real world experience and report back Here's an example of women reacting

Being creepy is when you have some ulterior motive or at least you seem like you do, for lots of pushy sales people can give off a 'creepy vibe' because you feel like they are preying on you and trying to get you to buy something you don't want. For women this is heightened, mainly because the stakes are much higher, if they trust someone that they shouldn't trust they could get raped, abused, killed anything especially given the size and strength difference between most men and women. So it's understandable if they reject a few innocent but socially uncalibrated guys to be on the safe side. A good comparison is, in colombia there's a real problem of local women, meeting foreign (gringo) men, going back to their place, drugging and then robbing them. This is extra dangerous as sometimes the drug they put in their drink is too much and can cause an od and has killed men. Now in this circumstance it would make sense for men to be more aware of the signs of a woman that might do this, in which case the man might reject an innocent woman because she makes them feel uncomfortable or it 'feels' as though she has an ulterior motive. If you feel like this in this situation it's because there is a potential risk and so it's completely rational to listen to your feelings even if your feelings are wrong. You cant then put this on the gringo guys that they shouldn't listen to their feelings, I know I definitely would be listening to any negative feelings I got in those situations. Anyway here's some cringey pics up

I think what happens is that males have a tendency to go overboard with logic, so sometimes you can fall into the trap of the logic actually preventin you from taking any action. For example, a guy could 'logically' work out what he understands to be a females nature just from youtube or others experience and then come to some kind of conclusion like 'women dont like it when youre nice to them so im not even going to bother talking to them unless they talk to me'. This may make sense within the constructed logic and so it gives them an excuse not to be social or talk to women. What we need to do is build up social understanding from our own experience ie getting out and talking to people. Really the issue is simple there is fear holding you back, work with that fear and go and socialise, learn as you go, build up confidence etc. If you think about it this is literally how you learn anything, like if you want to learn guitar the best way is to start playing it, if someone constantly talks about how to play guitar and the mechanics of it but theyve never picked up a guitar because of fear then you just wouldnt take that person seriously.

Ultimately it will come down to the results men are getting from using these 'strategies' that people like fresh and fit promote. In my opinion they just don't work in terms of actually becoming a better person and building connections. This was proven when they asked a fresh and fit audience during a live show who has no women in their life and the whole audience of men said they didn't. There's some ideas that maybe had a bit of value but this iteration of the red pill has just been way overdone. Pearly things has been demonitised, fresh and fit have been as well, no one's taking Rollo seriously since he told 20 somethings to get a vasectomy. Hopefully guys will finish their redpill journeys and get into something that will actually help them, instead of getting grifted by these donuts.

I actually think his takes are pretty good where they do look at both sides, he also looks the flaws in mens thinking as well, whereas repill is basically just attacking women for having higher standards. His levels of thinking isnt perfect but i think hes on the right track and is a good explanation for a wide audience. The issue is that whatever group someone belongs to feminist, redpill etc they are viewing his teachings through that lens, Ive put a vid below of a redpill reactor, reacting to his video and she literally can not see it outside of the 'modern women dumb' lens. Also a wider point on groups and ideologies, redpill is big at the moment but all these groups follow the same structure - - Group feels theyve been hard done by, by society - Cherry picks stats and history which presents a world view of oppression of their group (think redpills gynocentric society or feminists patriarchy) - Creates enemy that are mainly responsible for their oppression (redpill vs feminist) - Presents opposing side in worst possible light in an attempt to convert more people to their ideology - Claims they have the 'truth' (redpill, blackpill, truth pill, escape the matrix) There are probably more points im missing out but you get the idea. These points can all be attributed to any organised religion or ideology you can think of not just redpill or feminism. Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Protestants, conservatives, democrats etc etc.

The difference is youre makng an assumption about them being harmful because they happen to be in your opinion pretty. If you knew them a little bit and found out they were harmful then it would make sense to protect yourself from that but, as you dont know them you are only making assumptions. Also you should consider that because you have a negative idea about them they could possibly be matching your energy. For example if someone in your country treated your rude and abruptly because youre a particular minority (as you do to pretty ladies), your reaction toward them would be negative, from that persons perspectives you would just be confirming their assumptions about people from your minority. This is what could be happening with you. Its impossible to say all pretty women act the same, especially as you havent had an open conversation with many if any of them. If a pretty woman was really nice and generous to you how would you feel?

Its kind of a paradox, you do not feel fulfilled so you are looking for something to fulfil you, you actually dont care what that thing is because you would do anything to be fulfilled. If you could sit and play with your belly button and it fulfil you, you would have no problem doing that, so the feeling of fulfilment is what you want. Real fulfilment would be more about the doing the thing not necessarily the feelings that come from it. So for example if i want to help people with mental health issues which i do personally, then its not about how i feel whilst doing it or if i complete an arbitrary mission, the important thing is just helping the people. Like even if i feel horrible whilst doing it and afterwards its still worth it because i was willing to make that sacrifice for a greater goal. So get over the fact that you may never feel fulfilled, the idea of fulfilment is something in your imagination. Once you mourn this you can start looking at what do you actually want to do and maybe for now you dont want to do anything, thats fine as well, just listen for the call when and if it does come.

You want them or at very least want them to be nice to you, but you feel that they dont want you or that they have any obligation to be nice to you. Think about it, if you had the same preconceived notions about any group of people your interactions would actually go the same, like if you thought all Chinese people were how you described (entitled etc) you would get the same confirmation bias. In fact it could be very possible that youve had terrible interactions with a particular group of people however you dont notice it because you may not have grouped them together. Youve grouped hot women together because they trigger you as you want their positive attention. Sounds like basically racism for hot women the way describe it and as you say people can get by with it but it usually affects them more than their particular targets of hate or dislike. So your dislike of hot women says something about you rather than the women, we can all accept that no group of people is uniformly "bad" or "evil", so it comes down to whether you want to explore where your bias comes from, look into your shadow etc or you just want to live with misplaced hate within you. Of course youre free to do as you wish, but this being a forum about growth would indicate on some level you want to push passed this

Yeah of course, im just thinking of him in terms of a potential replacement for someone like Tate

Apart from humans having sex for pleasure, lots of animals do that as well, some chimps have sex to calm down aggression for example. Aside from that there are gay animals as well. As @koops said its just a perspective that the purpose of humanity is to propagate itself through sex, it could be we evolve to not have sex for reproduction and just have test tube babies or AI takes over, either way being gay or having sex for pleasure wouldnt make any difference.

I like him and think hes a good masculine role model, however I dont think many guys under 25 will engage with him just because he does get very technical in his content which i think is important but doesnt work in for tik tok generation

The youtube censorship issue for me breaks down like this - There is freedom to do whatever you want, within legal limits, but there is not the automatic right to a platform. You have no specific right to be put in front of a lot of people and for them to have to listen to you. Youtube gives more of a platform then there has ever been to the average person. If we had total freedom of speech for everyone in which there could be hate speech or just things that might be highly offensive, the platform would suffer as most people would turn away. This has been the case in several instances, check out the monster Island experiment. It's also impossible to have a platform where there is unlimited free speech from a business point of view, because yt in this case could be liable for the content that's released. Moreover many advertisers may not want their adverts associated with certain types of content. It's possible that you could have a non-corporate, non-profit platform but it would be difficult to provide running costs, which would be millions. Creators also wouldn't get paid direct from content. So the freedom has to be balanced with sustainability of the platform. There are other sites where anyone can say what they want or telegram groups or wherever, even reddit offers a lot more freedom in what you xan post, mainly because it can seperate users into different subs so youre mot exposed to anything you dont want to see, so the choice does exist. What people get annoyed about is not necessarily the freedom but moreso the large platform offered by youtube which can only exist because of moderation. So it's almost a paradoxical request to have absolute freedom and have a really large platform such as youtube.

@Razard86 summed it up nicely but just to weigh in, it does come down to your expectations of the forum and that will determine how you use it. So if you expect that this forum will get you enlightened or get you whatever results youre after, you will end up highly disappointed, especially if you see the use of the forum as doing some kind of 'work'. Ultimately you can only see results from action in your real life, theres no way around that, blaming the forum is just pushing blame which also doesnt help you. The forum could be used to get advice from and then try out the advice irl or just to have debates and hear other sides of an argument or whatever you want to use it for but its not unhealthy in of itself its just how you use it or see its purpose. What might be a good use of it for op is to use it to hold yourself accountable for real life stuff.

@Yimpa Definitely man, you know when i was 14 i had to do a presentation in front of my class at school. I choose to do it on hip-hop music as I really loved it at the time. I prepared for ages and thought about it constantly. I got up in front of the class and pretty much froze, I couldn't say anything, it was a horrible experience and I thought, this is just something I can't do, so I know what you mean in terms of having that wall. But the last few years of done the odd thing that's really pushed me and what I found is the more you do these things the more reference experience you have. So when something comes up you just think 'well I did that other thing so I know I can do this'. In the last few months of sang in a bar in front of a crowd, done this speaking thing and then also recorded an interview with them. Its genuinely amazing how you can switch your mindset just be testing your beliefs now I actually enjoy these things, they are still a test but I like the challenge. So for you I would say check the integrity of your walls and you'll be shocked at how weak they actually are

So a while i joined a panel that looked at ways to get more black and ethnic people into seeking support for OCD. The stat in the UK anyway is that Black people are the most likely to have a mental health condition but the least likely to seek help, as someone whos experienced this I feel its on me to provide a perspective on it and help where i can. The conference that im speaking it as a national OCD conference and there were a lot of great speakers there, psychedelics was even covered by Dr Nutt as a potential treatment for OCD which I found very interesting and there was another talk about lifestyle and how that affects mental health. All in all it was a great experience. I would love to get some feedback from you guys as this is the fist time ive spoken on a stage like this, it was definitely nerve wracking before. So any opinions on the subject matter would be great but also any thoughts on how i came across as a speaker or what i can improve upon and of course if you could like the video that would be good (its not my channel but just to help with awareness). This is something i would love to do more of as well so i would like to improve as much as i can. (i havent watched it yet as it feels a bit weird watching myself) FYI im the one closest to the host on the left

Thank you bro, yeah there are tons of misconceptions, lots of people had stories about being misdiagnosed, so its definitely a great cause and happy ive got the opportunity to get involved with helping! Yeah i should get some erp going by watching it im going to put clips of it in a youtube vid im doing so i will need to at some point anyway Thanks for the feedback, yeah i sometimes feel i have to strain, its something ive had to work on and need to work on more. It probably comes from not wanting to be heard when i was a kid, partly because of OCD and confidence issues. Now i feel a lot more confident but need to work on my voice projection so thanks for highlighting that The irony isnt lost on us, hes usually talks about stuff thats against mainstream thinking to do with drugs so when they dont agree with him they definitely point out that Nutt is an accurate name I think hes great though

We've seen a lot of stories come up over the last few months, Russel Brand, Tate etc whereby these names have been accused of something and put through a media trial as well as a criminal one. Hasan Minhaj was put through a story by the New Yorker (ref - https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-communications/hasan-minhajs-emotional-truths) in which he was accused of lying about his stand up. This wouldnt be a big deal normally but he was trying to highlight specific incidents of racism that hes experienced and because of his delivery it at least seemed like he was being truthful. The negative backlash is because this could be seen as falsely stoking the fires of racism. Now i dont particularly like Minhaj, i feel his persona comes across as a bit overly moral and sometimes condescending, but his response i thought was amazing and was straight to the point with receipts and it actually showed what some publications are willing to do to have a breaking story (response below). I dont think anyone can watch that and not understand where hes coming from. The New Yorker couldve shown the full context but chose not to for the sensationalism of the story. If you compare Minhaj's response to say Brand and Tate, you can see stark differences. Granted their incidents are a lot more serious but with both of them, they didnt address what happened directly, they didnt show their evidence to give it full context and they didnt truthfully say what happened. For example Minhaj apologises for not being 100% transparent whilst also showing what the New Yorker left out. There was no apology from Tate and Brand it was just outright denial. So this is a good benchmark when trying to work out what might be true or not and i think transparency is key. Anyway let me know your thoughts

Great topic op I would say that its not necessarily whether muslim values and western values can be reconciled, its how do you solve the problem of dogmatic beliefs that could be detrimental to a society that is trying to allow freedom to believe and live how you wish. For the most part Islam is fine in the western world, in the UK for examples there are many muslims that were born here and live conventional lives, practice their religion whilst also working and living within the British culture. The issue comes from the extremists but then also the treatment of muslims over the last 30 years or so, before 9/11 there had never been much anti-muslim sentiment since then and after invasions into Afghanistan, Iraq amongst others where literally 100s of thousand's of civilians were killed, the sentiment from the muslim world toward the west has been overwhelmingly negative. These terrible incidents have actually caused more extremism by making some people even more dogmatic as they no longer have the appetite to trust the west and so they retreat further into their religion as western values have led to disaster for the middle east. The USA had a chance to really lead by example after 9/11 and they didnt take that opportunity. In general i think any religion will loosen its strictness and dogmatic tendencies when its part of a multi-cultrural society, we've seen this again and again, even Catholicism is easing up. Every religion that is reasonably flexible now had a long time of being very hard-lined and dogmatic, i dont think Islam would be different but it has been set back by th last 30 years.

@Danioover9000 What narratives of Destiny specifically would you say are sociopathic?

What I always find funny is that in the comments there will be 1 guy that questions Owens stance on covid and then you'll get tons of replies saying 'we've found the sheep' or 'why don't you think for yourself and do research'. The irony of multiple replies saying the same thing, accusing one comment of being a sheep is hilarious. BTW this is not limited to Owen, it happens all the time on all sides. I think a good test of your audiences critical thinking skills is if they disagree with you respectfully

It takes a shift in consciousness for everyone, not just rich people, to expand to see others as equal. But things are improving it just takes to time to manifest fully in the world. Poverty has been rapidly improving for years (although the pandemic slowed things down). Sometimes, mostly younger people feel like 'why can't things be changed now', but nothing really works like that, if you rush it there can sometimes be more harm than good. The main thing is, things are going in the right direction and that's all you can ask for while playing your own small part.

Poor can be self serving, middle class people can be self serving, rich people can be self serving, the richest can be self serving. It just looks different at different stages.

@StarStruck This is a great insight to have! Most of us get it backward where we think 'im going to make money and then do what I want', but they dont really think about what they actually want to do and what can be done right now. It could be everything you enjoy doing is well within your means but because we consume content on instagram we know really want to drop 5k on a holiday to Bali. Maybe just going for a walk at the local park every couple days is what you really enjoy and its practically free.