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I'm curious to get your opinion on this video and how Stephen is funded

The numbers are low relative to how many kids within that age group, however they have risen as you say. There are 2 potential answers for this 1. Social contagion ie kids are seeing it and want to try it 2. It's now more acceptable so kids who always would've felt they were trans are free to pursue it or look into it. Probably it's a combination of both

I have a bat-boy kid and I must admit I love him the least, not because he's a bat-boy but because he used to piss on the carpet a lot and I've never gotten over it

I think there are issues on both sides in the common discourse, in basic terms one side says a trans-woman is a woman and the other says its not a woman, lets call them left and right. The left side seems to not acknowledge that biologically a person born with a male body that transitions or identifies as a female, is biologically male. I dont see the issue with saying this person is a trans-woman which is distinct from a cis-woman because the experience and the biology is very different, however there are certain things that group them together as women. On the right they dont seem to be able to acknowledge that you can be born with a different gender, psychologically to your biological body. This is something that has always existed. If they could bend on this point then there isnt really an argument to be had on either side. In reality this should have very little impact on society, the only things that are slight sticking points are how do we categorise sports and how do we navigate gendered spaces like public bathrooms? With sports it wouldnt be hard to put in place if you were born male you shouldnt be allowed to compete in womens sports. This may feel unfair to trans people but the advantage is just too much. But it is unfortunate that they might not be able to compete where they feel comfortable. THe only options for this is having a trans league or competing with cis-males. What i would liken it to is being born with a disability where you maybe really competitive but physically you cant compete at the top level. This will happen in the future with prosthetics, Pistorius, before his off the rails incident, ran the 400m at the olympics with 2 prosthetics blade runners instead of legs, no one really questioned it at the time and he didnt win but it could be seen as an advantage because he wont get the same injuries, he wont have lactic acid build up, so in theory this could be advantage and maybe an advantage in the future with further development, so i dont think that would be fair for him to compete with non-disabled athletes, this is the same for trans competitors. The bathroom issue seems to be a logistic one, there are many places with unisex bathrooms, or where you just have the cubicle. I also think some self awareness could be helpful, like if they are female passing it makes more sense for them to use a female bathroom because it may make males uncomfortable if they use a male one. If theyre not really female passing, then i guess using the male one makes more sense but that is a bit of a tricky one granted.

Yeah they do teach us this at school, it is weird because there have always been so many different cultures in the UK, so much so that this small island is split up into 4 distinct countries, with different traditional languages. So how anyone can say theres one indigenous culture is just false. This guy sums up British identity quite well -

If youre both authentic about it then i dont really see a problem, it wouldnt be that different to having a friend as a roomate and you both help each other. However if one person is really in love and the other isnt, you may run into issues with insecurity or one side not putting as much in etc. But generally if it works and everyones on the same page then yeah.

This looks cool, im gonna come back to read it properly

My original point was that the people that are most worried about immigrants and immigrant crime don't really have much contact with immigrants as their towns are overwhelmingly white. If you wanna talk about the crime rate, crime stats show no change in violent crime, slight 1% in property crime, this is of asylum seekers. In general immigration various reports say it causes minimal if any rise in crimes https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-and-crime-evidence-for-the-uk-and-other-countries/ But that's why I asked what Tommy says, he maybe convincing but does he actually have observable data that contradicts the studies?

I'm very sure. The 5 seats that voted reform in were - Clacton - 95.3% white Boston & Skegness- 98.5% white Basildon - 87.5% white Great Yarmouth- 90% white Ashfield - 91.8% white Does Tommy or Stephen, say something different?

Those are their fears but the demographic that are protesting or just have the fears, are most likely not Christians. The UK isn't Christian in the way the USA is, that's not to say there aren't Christians but it's just not that much of a consideration. The right bring it in mainly to counter islam but I guarantee very few complaining go to church. I think another thing reform people are concerned is their culture isn't actually that defined, so if I say what are specific customs and cultural things unique to white British people, there's actually not that many that are not also practiced by other non-white British people and immigrants. Also a lot of British culture is heavily influenced by the other cultures and has been for years. For example indian food is basically the national food in England, is the most popular by a long way, most British music is influenced by Jamaican and african music, as well as soul and rnb. There was a massive ska scene in the 80s, northern soul, dnb, garage music etc etc. Looking at Britain now it's culture is so infused I don't even know if any of these protestors have experienced Britain seperate from the culture immigrants have brought. They watch lots of immigrants play football on a Saturday, get a curry Saturday night and go out on the town listening to afrobeats and rap music. But if their unique culture is fading its because they didn't see the value in it.

I do agree with you on Musk. The irony of someone buying a social media platform because you think it's partisan and then to literally be unashamedly partisan on the platform is actually crazy. I think he's been really emboldened by the right and thinks he's some kind of God like figure, he had problems before but there's an obvious escalation. He's literally become the bad guy in bond film. Seperate to that I found an interesting tidbit of information about Tommy Robinson, this is from an article in the guardian that shows his funding from zionist groups. Essentially they covered the cost of his legal fees, demonstrations and put him on a wage. Zionists are essentially at war with the Muslim world in terms of culture but of course literally in Israel. So it's very interesting that Robinson is jumping on any opportunity to attack Muslims and sow hate in the UK and is getting funding to do so. It implies he's actually dishonest actor, which would also suggest the situation is not what he's trying to make out

I dont know man, I dont see too many real discussions about deep values. The big issues in the US seem to be abortion and immigration, where you stand on that dictates who you vote for, everything else is either a distraction or something to be justified.

Yeah this is really true, like the really popular bad guy in films is cool and dgaf, the loser is just pathetic and weird. Dems have always run with how bad he is, lying, cheating etc which is all true but has never done him any damage. This time the focus being on how weird they are is cutting through so much easier. It doesnt help that he chose Vance as a running mate. Its crazy that the next president might be decided because the other side may have fucked a couch.

It does actually sum up the conflict well. I am passionate about the subject but I also do try and keep it to facts and not insult the other side. But this is what I find to be the problem as a whole. From what I see the far right just doesn't like what they see as foreigners, they see them as a threat to their bloodline so they are in direct opposition with anything that suggests integration. Thus it is impossible to have any kind of honest nuanced conversation because their sole intention is to justify their racism/nationalism. This isn't just the far right, this is any extremism. But when the extremesim crosses a certain point the ends justify the means, meaning they are willing to lie, cheat do whatever to get their intended outcome, this goes for left wing extremism as well. But in terms of Britain there has been over a decade now of intentional radicalization and the riots are the result.

Here's some interesting polls from yougov In this one above you can see how concern about crime was declining up until 2016 when the use of social media rose a lot and also coincided with the brexit referendum. However as we know, actual crime has been declining steadily for 30 years. This one shows most in general don't support the riots or even believe them to be justified but what's striking is even reform voters mostly don't support them. Which shows the general population do not support these riots. This one again shows even some reform voters blame Tommy Robinson and far right groups, of course they will blame immigration but interestingly they also blame those taking part. This one further breaks down the previous chart. Muslims and starmer not to blame, those taking part, social media and far right groups most to blame

The videos are very biased, but i appreciate you giving your take on it and doing a bit of research. Why I ask is because the British Police have a history of treating Black people very different then white people in the criminal system. Black people get stopped and searched nearly 5x more than white, are likely to get a longer sentence for the same crime etc. This has improved a little but even know its still uneven. this is the first ive heard of white people complaining about unfair treatment, just seems quite a strange thing to me. I think theyre main gripe is how theyre treated when 'protesting' but these were obviously rioters. I cant remember there being a prominent Muslim riot but there was a, for lack of better term, Black riot i think in 2010 most recently over a police shooting of a black man, which may or may not have been justified. In that riot the rioters were treated very harshly, some got years in prison. But i dont see much difference in how either was treated at least so far we dont know what convictions will happen. Heres an article comparing the 2 - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/uk-riots-how-does-the-violence-compare-with-unrest-in-august-2011

This is an excellent summation, when i worked in a youth charity we had the police come in to train us on radicalization and what to look out for. This was for both far right and muslims because i live in a mixed area. What Majid said here is pretty much how it goes down. Them claiming benefits and working is not really a thing, I dont think they can even claiming benefits til they get residency, so non-EU its not a thing and in general its not because fraudulently claiming can have harsh sentences. What i have seen is Illegal immigrants working cash in hand, that definitely happens but im not sure on what scale and thats more of an issue of catching illegals, which no one is against.

Heres the thing and thanks for your question, we have to estimate the actual danger to physical safety the people in question and what their perceived threat is. Its important because if it is genuinely less safe then it would be a policing or tighter immigration issue, if its just perception then its really just trying to educate them or deradicalize them. If we look at this graph in the link, crime has been quite dramatically decreasing overall for 30 years and by nearly 90% - https://theconversation.com/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased-228797#:~:text=As of 2024%2C violence%2C burglary,variations in reporting and recording. So the perception is whats the issue, thats talked about in the linked article as well. If we take the perception, there should be a crackdown on misinformation as well as education around the subject. These are pretty much down to the government in terms of decision making, hopefully this should improve under Labour, there are significant resources being put into what they call levelling up. However there are opportunities now which people may not be going for, so again this could be a perception issue. Also British do not want to work low level jobs and higher level jobs require qualifications, the last government put in place that people receiving benefits should do courses and they generally pushed them into work, which has its pros and cons. I think another factor is people dont may not feel that they have a purpose. In the 70s, 80s and 90s hooligans caused a tremendous amount of public nuisance and crime, but the hooligans felt satiated in their purpose. I dont really know how you give people purpose, I guess oppurtunities and engagement It will never go back to their fairytale of English culture. What i do know is back then they were definitely worse off. Culture evolves it is what it is, but English culture has also influenced every immigrant that has come to the country. Also keep in mind when English go abroad they are known for being the worst at integrating. Theres nearly a million living in Spain and i guarantee you most do not know Spanish. But yeah i agree the cats out of the bag on this one

This is what you call cherry picking, literally 88% of all sexual abuse of minors convictions are white men and youre stuck up on grooming gangs. I like how when its white people its insane one off guys but muslims its something else. I dont even get your second point, its not the impression its more present among white people its actually 88% of convictions, i dont get what you dont understand. It means if white people stopped doing it sexual abuse would decrease by 88%, if muslims stopped doing it, it would decrease by 7%, if i had to chose one to target itd definitely be white people. Heres the stats btw - https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1ekjf49/child_sexual_abuse_in_202223_ethnicity_of/ Since youre obsessed by grooming gangs here are a selection of white ones in the last few years, they tend to call them pedophile rings when its white people, not sure why - https://news.sky.com/story/seven-members-of-paedophile-gang-guilty-of-running-monstrous-child-sex-abuse-ring-13008082 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942601/Seven-women-jailed-total-58-years-paedophile-gang-21-guilty-abuse.html https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/16/white-paedophile-ring-held-girl-hostage-and-forced-her-into-prostitution-7084115/ https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/11/seven-members-paedophile-gang-jailed Heres a report on how the far right exploit sex abuse survivors to promote hate toward muslims. In the report they talk to actual survivors bout their experience - https://bylinetimes.com/2024/06/01/special-investigation-the-network-of-far-right-groups-exploiting-the-survivors-of-child-sexual-exploitation/

Labour has always been center left, more center if anything, the PM has already said Trans women shouldnt compete against women. But I think conservatives are more obsessed with the trans issue in America, of all things to focus on just seems crazy

Break down the 2 tier policing for me. In terms of migration you have to see British people on general don't want to do low level jobs, very few want to be cleaners or fast food workers or farm workers, why would they when they can get nearly the same not working? But someone needs to do these jobs and the ones that work thr hardest doing low level jobs are immigrants, there's no way around this. UK nearly came to a standstill after brexit when they couldn't get enough truck drivers, remember when Boris allowed EU citizens to come and work temporarily? Its definitely not just stem we need, the nhs is on its knees partly because they can't get new immigrants in to work and do 12 hour nursing shifts. If we didn't have immigration we'd be screwed.

To be fair the left haven't been in power, not even left, center left, haven't been in power for 14 years, so hopefully there will be changes for the better. The last time they were I'm power it was one of the most prosperous times for Britain as a whole, just shouldn't have got caught up in the Iraq and Afghanistan issues. I'm hopeful anyway.

Bro its not the left thats demonised them its the right that has amped them if with constant fear mongering, where do you think these ideas they have come from? What happened to personal responsibility that the conservatives are always talking about? Daily Mail, Talk TV GB News etc have been running fear mongering stories for years, the whole Brexit campaign was lies upon lies. Heres a good video that just came out - No im not upset that England isnt England in a hundred years, progress takes time. Theyre upset that England isnt a fantasy England from 70 years ago. At the moment this far-right element has been highly motivated and still only 4 million of them voted for reform, which is something like 6% of the population, so however you want to spin they are the minority. Not only that young people vote overwhelmingly left in general. So its over for them, im happy with how England is and it has improved a lot youre right, im not complaining about it, they are. We're just calling out bullshit. (By we i mean most of UK) Their numbers for the riots are not even close to the counter-protests. This is not America where is nearly 50% maga, theyve already lost its just how do we go forward working together

What does taking responsibility look like? If the conservatives, amongst others, have sold them lies and promised them that theyre gonna do this and that and that theyll be better off and then when its worse than before they point the finger at legal or unprocessed immigrants, what are we supposed to do. We're all suffering from cost of living, our ire should be aimed at the government not each other. The issue is that you cant stoke up hatred that doesnt already lie dormant in people. You have to understand this country has had an issue with racism forever, but in recent times since when the caribbeans came in the 50s and 60s to settle when the UK needed workers. There were national front skinheads that terrorised black and asian people in the 70s and 80s, football hooliganism, all kinds of racial discrimination from the police. All of this has improved but in areas that are 95% white they still have that sentiment. Keep in mind there werent even that many immigrants back then and they were all specifically here to work. Even today white British people are 80% of the country. So this is nothing to do with these people being treated poorly or being let down they have this sentiment historically, whatevers going in economically. Now where i could agree is that Labour and the left need to press home their message stronger about why we are in this mess, but again its hard to with a lot of misinformation, but yeah the messaging could be better.

This racist sentiment in the UK has been there for as long as i can remember amongst a certain demographic. There will always be some kind of economic stability, the question is who is getting blamed for it. If youve got people with platforms claiming its because of immigrants and brown people then of course thats gonna fire up some peoples hatred. In fact i would say racism was improving up until social media really started kicking off, now its given rise to people spreading misinformation about things like immigration. Education system isnt terrible, of course it could be improved. What is a big factor is the conservatives cutting funding for youth services by like 80%, it was actually ridiculous and i have worked in youth services previously. Since theyve done that there have been rises in gangs and young people getting into criminal behavior, because theres nothing for a lot of them, especially vulnerable ones. We used to have lots of youth clubs but tons got shut down.