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Yea I agree. I think as long as we live with this (maybe illusion) of reality and self, it’s useful to act and talk in accordance. We can do all that while simultaneously seek to know the true nature of reality .Meaning we can play the game while simultaneously seeking to end it and know truth of it

There’s something funny about your persona while simultaneously you write in a beautiful way

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂the fact you counted

i was kidding I know I think it could happen that someone doesn’t wanna perceive themselves as being addicted to coffe, because it gives the impression of being somehow “weak” and “a slave to impulses”, not the best image. But I don’t think it’s common to have the opposite where you don’t wanna feel well and be independent of coffe. I don’t know tho

They are free to judge you based on what you write yourself Kinda People can genuinely be addicted to coffe biologically without the act of identity preservation being present.

Indeed. It’s like since we identify as being this human , we project identity onto outside world , separate things into objects. The rest I don’t get but it’s okay it’s common when you write things

Hehe Your theories 😂 So today I drank coffe in coffe shop, is that projection or reproduction?

No it’s just I don’t wanna contaminate the forum too much with my stuff. That’s like a loop😂 You project internal phenomena onto them, and what you think about them is a projection of the relationship to that phenomena…it’s like double projection 😂

If you could summarize this post in a few sentences what would you write? (If you want)

I have also entertained that thought and yea I’m like you I don’t know either. The thing is anything we say is a concept: so you could say nothing is absolutely true If someone gets enlightened by hearing the message “there’s nothing to get , nothing to do” . How come another person hears the exact same thing and doesn’t get enlightened? There seems to have been a difference in the happening there. And maybe it could be useful identifying that difference. Even if in absolute truth nothing leads to nothing. We still live in a world that “seems to work a certain way”. So one might as well do what one thinks is most likely to lead to one’s goal : even if that is “doing nothing” which is still a kind of “action”.

Aw😄

Toxic people, I don’t judge them, it’s just a label for simplicity sake You can recognize you’re a little pathetic human without it having a negative charge in it emotionally

It’s not important to know the science (if there is any) of enlightenment because what u gonna do with that info? You already heard self inquiry and meditation works, so you might already be doing that. It might all be relative, but so is also “contemplating/confronting oneself/ones experience”… When you are in this relative world it seems wise to do the things that seem correlated to enlightenment (if that’s the goal) even if maybe ultimately there’s no correlation to enlightenment, or anything for that matter! But then you might as well do nothing (which might be beneficial to enlightenment lol) So I’m not really disagreeing with you..I agree it’s important to confront the very self you identify as because that’s the very “block”

Yea..

Upon that recognition, which may happen spontaneously for a few, there is a kind of shift that occurs: the person goes from a sense of self to no sense of self. In that, if it were to be looked upon in the brain, perhaps a difference could be seen (I don’t know because I haven’t read science that studies that) Maybe it’s not absolutely true; because absolutely there might not even be separate objects. But it seems the appearance works a certain way. If you drop a glass on the floor it will break : both before and after enlightenment. It might be that the appearance of the brain gives rise to the appearance that is the mind and the self. So if any of those forms change, the rest changes. Such knowledge might not be useful. It’s enough to know that certain techniques might increase the chance of at least an enlightenment experience (like meditation)

Today the forum has been so smooth

When you look around at your enviroment, the trees and the people, you perceive depth, selves and solidity, and most importantly: realness. That’s the “illusion” . It appears like that because YOU feel real and solid. And your own mind is embedded in it all. Jim Newman said it too… but I’ve been saying it …

It might need rewiring of the brain. But maybe you don’t include brain in “body”. If brain produces mind and self then something needs to end that activity, the mechanism that produces that activity. A person with no self might have something different neurologically if it were to be studied.

Cool

Ofc, I wondered about it when I read it, I just wrote what first came to mind. But it remains a mystery It’s an unique perspective I haven’t heard of before indeed!

I may be wrong so that’s my sense of mystery (whatever you even mean with that question)

Detective Tao back at it again

That’s when the self appears . 👺(referring to the ocean drop quote)

Is that synonymous with dissolving the self?

It’s hard to write about because I’m not enlightened myself. I can only speak about how loosening in the self-structure has led to a more emptier mind, that’s why I assume enlightenment to be an extreme version of that