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Oh yes you could. Watch out , I’m telling you…

Sugar/high carb is great for this in my experience . Does something amazing to one’s state. Even makes me more sociable, so @Chives99 pay attention to how different things affect your state

Energy in you is ~already ~trying it’s best to heal . In my experience. This tendency to want to listen to music and perhaps dissociate has been profoundly healing when I’ve “went along with it”. The very resistance to it prevents this flow of energy. When fully embraced energy can flow and does something to us that is beyond simply mental, even the physical body is affected positively. also of course in addition to this, “root cause” work as you mention! but I feel people in society have a tendency to see compulsions as just either a symptom of something deeper (aka no value in themselves) or an enemy to try to win. But these compulsions are serving a purpose (which you pointed out) and have much more to them than what’s usually painted .

Wow never heard of that. How u deal with it ? If you happen to mind it , maybe not

ok that’s good I understand it ??

Yes!

????is that all you got from this ?? but ok at the end of the day you want to feel better in yourself, about yourself right? Independent of wether someone is disrespectful to you or not. So for sure if being a little cocky back sometimes makes you feel better in yourself it can be useful but if it’s just some facade that you use to not feel the insecurity inside you then you didn’t solve anything as the insecurity is still there inside in a sense. So it depends I would say??

It can also just be your own “intuition” so not much “ rule” in the conventional sense of an obvious structure . But still your own intuition and spontaneity. Which maybe can take some work to get in touch with if you have a lot of anxiety socially But still those people who seem natural socially those “neurotypicals”. I bet you they have a bunch of rules themselves it’s just so deeply ingrained in them and society, the norm essentially, that it’s just seems natural . But go outside the norm and you’ll see people react to it?their many rules become so obvious when you break them! They will be mad at you for being yourself! And why would you care? Think about for a second, the type of person that would judge you - would you even want to connect with that person ? I bet not. Such people can challenge you tho and reveal a lot about yourself so that can be positive in a way too

Trying to be mature is a kind of immaturity for me

Now that’s your rule?? I’m lowkey autistic asf myself so I get what you mean

I do that naturally too. It’s in some ways more satisfactory than the social gathering itself. Sometimes during the gathering I’ll think to myself “oh there will be some juicy processing after this” and I’m lowkey excited for it? it IS philosophy!

That’s the smartest way to play, nobody can win because it’s all one lol haha I can’t

I wanna live the day somebody manages to do it?

Should make blog post about it and challenge leo

Energetic dating lol ?

I’ve been questioning that lately actually. I feel like it might be the conventional way of looking at it… becuase I’ve experienced things that perhaps would be considered insane but I have been fully aware of it and allowed it even im not sure tho, still exploring this

I saw your comment where you said you related to him so I guessed you’d respond to me to and I’m glad you did ? Something about the kitchen ? for me there was an argument in my mind about wether to eat something unhealthy or not and then boom That’s a lovely post ! Caught the moment ! the thing is I’m unsure about the date for me I think it was towards the end of April . But that’s cool as heck! We are similar for sure , it’s that resonance which is rare for me to experience outside this forum ?

Absolutely! I totally relate to this gradual unraveling but you calling it “progress to total surrender” is lowkey an idea you have about it rather than what it is what if the next step in this “process of total surrender” is the dying of the idea that you are on this process ? Not that you aren’t on any process at all but that this idea you have of it isn’t what it is…. It can be veeeeeery unpredictable how this unfolds this process to a shocking degree so just saying What’s more scary to you? facing “insanity” or missing out on what you imagine is the happiness and awakening that will come if you don’t continue on this “path” ? Maybe the main resistance you’re trying to dissolve isn’t mostly about what you imagine it to be about . It can be very unpredictable as I said

Maybe it’s the opposite sometimes. You trying to make yourself do those things is making you tired? Not that one shouldn’t be disciplined, but that sometimes we might get fixed on certain ideas and create fixed routines about what’s good for us vs not that comes from society and past experience. But the way the body/mind produces energy is maybe more spontaneous than that so by sticking to strict routine we are not really following this process directly but rather just living by some routine created by a fixed belief system so not in touch with direct experience . If that makes any sense

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The paradox of what you described, is that you can’t fear it. It’s impossible. You can’t fear total surrender because then that is not total surrender. You see the paradox? How your mind is tricking you? Anything you fear is something particular your mind is imagining- something specific. You can’t fear “the end of it all “ as you don’t know what that is, you can’t imagine it. “this process feels like going insane” I relate to you but once again that’s still traces of the same mind and knowing that’s left … so never the “end of it all” as that would include the end of that fearful mind …

Wow wow. I am amazed that you shared this. In a way I have so much I could say here. First of all. What you describe as this state of too much grip on mind - you are essentially describing my default state of being throughout my entire life leading up to my awakening. Essentially this “grip” on my mind getting stronger and stronger, mind getting faster and faster as you describe, to reach an absolutely insane climax. For me then suddenly out of nowhere being completely released from it all thanks to this permanent awakening/shift. And keep in mind, I have never used psychedelics. Feeling like I have zero grounding in actuality or physical reality (which I imagined the “normal state” was) all I know is just my own perception/mind. this normal forward thinking style you describe- let me tell you, it was never really common to me, but rather a part of my own imagination that I’ve imaged other people to experience. Again part of my own mind that I had such a grip on. when you say “knowing what other people were” could you elaborate what you mean by that? I used to experience how I could exactly imagine others experiences or the way they operate or something idk. Once again part of my own imagination . And how in a way I couldn’t interact with anyone or experience anything real as it was all part of my own perception or something interesting that you say that fear is what stabilized you back to “normal”. That is something I used to wonder about - how a lot of people seem afraid to “go into” their mind too much. I never experienced that, only as a child when this was new to me, but the thing is - when something is your default state , which it was all the way back to my childhood, you have no other choice but to get comfortable with it or you’ll suffer endlessly. So I used it to my advantage instead and stopped fearing it all together. As you did, I started to LOVE it! Which is what made this grip stronger and stronger! Becuase I engaged in it, more and more, went into it, more and more, so everything became my own mind in a way. And I was completely stuck yet loved it the most and knew nothing else! but something was still off, something was not stable about it. Something wasn’t right . There was something dissatisfying about it. Somewhere deep down I intuited, there must be something else; something that isn’t whatever this is. Some other way of experiencing life. This can’t be all there is. But I couldn’t possibly know what this was, as everything was in a way part of this mind thing. Then boom one day I was standing in my kitchen and this indescribable shift happened, “awakening” one might say. Absolutely indescribable. Had me ugly crying for days, And it was the end- the end of this madness. I was released from it permanently. It brings me to tears to think back to that exact moment in the kitchen. Permanent indescribable existential relief like nothing else. you response was in a way confirming what I’ve intuited/imagined “the other side” aka normal side to be. Lol thanks but I would say to you - question this assumption about it being “the truth”. That makes it sound like something else is false or something idk, as if it’s not just another way of experiencing reality of something. I don’t know tho! For me, I don’t understand it fully looking back at it now that it’s over. I don’t understand what the permanent shift was too, it’s all still new to me as it happened two months ago. But understanding can grow over time perhaps. Interesting you say fear of this “insanity “ blocks awakening. Perhaps. It was like - if you go into this mind thing and embraced it so fully, to the point everything becomes it in a way, so you know no way out of it - as any attempt to get out is still happening within it . So the only way out is for something else to release you from it - this “awakening”. Because you couldn’t do it yourself as you have fully given yourself up to this mind thing - which is what I would say it was for me ??‍♀️ But honestly no need to fear it. You can still be “functional “ while in it, in my experience. bless you!!

I agree with you?? There can be this natural need in us to understand something from the bottom up before we move on to the next thing - (I’ve read this can be connected to autism which is interesting to me) which can as you say be seen as a waste of time from the point of view of others who’s brains work differently. in school I find the pace is a lot of the time too fast and too many topics at once for one to have time to gain deep understanding of things, unless someone naturally understands quickly which we all don’t! A weakness of the system for sure. A lot gets very superficial

What makes you think they’d all not just go lesbian lol

Insanity is a pretty broad term. What specifically about it is problem for you? What does “losing grip on your mind and self” entail for you? btw interesting post. Helps me understand more because I’ve never related to this fear much