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I see it's not getting through. As expected. The ego doesn't want to learn what will kill him - Silence. The ego wants to continue thinking, which is the fuel behind him and this world. He's happy thinking "holly" thoughts, as it keeps him intact. "i am glad to hear you are having divine experiences, just be careful not to get attached, because they are not mandatory and can be dangerous" - Investigate why you aren't having them. Divine experiences are natural when you become miracle-minded. It's not anything special. When you practice who you truly are - Silence, you experience who you truly are - Heaven. I do, and you do not, because you practice incorrectly. Simple and obvious. "The miracle comes quietly into the mind that stops an instant and is still. " - notice that it doesn't come to a mind that "thinks diametrically opposed thoughts" You will be surprised to learn that it's all about silence, when you really do the Course, as now you made things up based on DU and your own misinterpretation. As many do.

@gettoefl so you're still confused with the process of forgiveness. You think it's about thinking. You probably read DU and not ACIM, hence the confusion. Yes, from Gary's books it seems like you have to think a certain way, but when you read ACIM and understand it, you will see that it's about silencing the mind until it dies and the world dies with it. Gary himself recommends Ken Wapnick. Jesus appointed Ken as a man who will explain the course. Listen to Ken's lessons, they will help you understand that it's not about thinking, it's about SILENCE. Listen to A Course in Miracles with Keith on Youtube as well, he is the foremost student of Ken's and preserve's his main teaching - Silence, or the true practice of forgiveness which brings enlightenment. Why would Jesus say that forgiveness is still and silently does nothing? Why would he, in the workbook, say that you must forget everything, including this course, and slip past all thoughts into that silent place inside where God dwells? It's the same process Ramana Maharshi recommends, but he calls it self-enquiry. Just try siting silently for a month and you will see that it's true. I did it and I began visiting the formless realms of heaven, as described in DU. You don't get it, but you definitely think that you do. Not that I care what a dream character does, but I do like discussing ACIM.

@gettoefl you can think you are not a body and still remain damaged. you dont awaken by being a holly ego, thinking holly thoughts. You awaken by forgiveness, which means by being still and slipping past all thoughts into that silent place where God dwells. acim gives you, seemingly, thoughts to practice, but the point of acim is to go beyond concepts, as all concepts, even those that say your brothers are holly, are still within the ego framework. seeing brothers as holly means overlooking the form alltogether and being silent inside, not saying - oh look, a holly brother. Thats still ego speaking. Spirit and forgiveness is silent.

Jung didn't understand what is happening here. He uncovered that we have a shadow, but he didn't understand that the whole human mind is a shadow. The good part of the human mind is a mask the shadow puts on, not the other way around. He also didn't understand that it's unreal, a figment of the imagination, a shadowy identity, made out of nothing and doomed to return to nothingness. You can analyze the ego for all of your life and you will find infinite quirks, because it was born out of error and doesn't have a source. It's a bastard child.

Good, why would you spend time with people in the insane assylum, when you have healed, at least a bit? here’s how to decide who to be friends with: does their presence help you relax deeper into the peace of God or does it hinder it? If it hinders it, they are the opposite of what a true friend is. be kind to yourself and protect your well-being. Everyone on this planet is psycho, but since everyone is, it seems normal, until you heal.

It’s impossible to desribe a formless experience outside of all experience. Cessation as a word is accurate. Talking more about it would just remove us further from that non-experience. Cessation is a dead-end anyway. It’s a trap Buddha fell into and all those who follow his path. It’s just an “experience” of nothingness. Sure it feels like the mind and all the universe reset - so what? You will have to reincarnate again with this level of atainment. clowns like Frank Yang, Shinzen, Spira and most other teachers reach it and then preach it as enlightenment. Lol. read ACIM and start to learn true wisdom what enlightenment is. All other teachers are the messengers sent by the ego and will lead you only to death, a thousandth time.

Did you already get what forgiveness truly is and how to take it to the end, so it brings enlightenment? did you get what idols are? Do you understand temptation and the danger within it? are you aware of what the Holly Spirit really is? I wonder if you really get acim. I started practicing it seriously and began experiencing formless heaven.

Experienced cessation during my first psychadelic trip. It does feel like a deep reset. Although the mind struggled to interpret the experience accurately at first and got into a dark knight of the soul. I’ll try to reach it or a simular state naturally now, it simply requires a prolonged exposure to meditation.

I think it's a question of desire. Enlightenment is a total commitment. Whenever I choose to focus on that place of inner stillness inside as much as I can for extended periods of time, like months, I begin to merge with God, little by little. Sometimes I get an enlightenment experience every few days, if I meditate all day all night. Sometimes I wake up in bliss, and I can carry it with me throughout the day, at least a bit. My dreams become celestial as well, even more amazing than what I experience on psychedelics, but psychedelics have a certain tension to it, at least for me, but when I get heavenly dreams, they are completely effortless and have a natural feel if that makes sense. So my experience tells me that if I commit myself fully to this practice, I get closer and closer to God. It is The Way. If I drop this total commitment, all my bliss and enlightenment experiences go away. It's my current understanding that we cannot serve two masters, we have to either choose God completely, or this world, this body and this mind. To get enlightened, this mind has to be returned to God, whose memory in us is the unshakable inner peace we can connect to. I don't think psychedelics can do it for you, not sure why. It would be the easiest path, just take them and tadaa, you're there. But it doesn't feel like it works that way, no matter how often you do it. It just show's you what's ahead, but to go there, you have to completely surrender to God. I think to really go for it, we have to be certain that nothing here satisfies us, we don't want anything from the world anymore, we're tired of it and we finally want to come back to our true home in Heaven, the place of Infinite Love. Interestingly, I learned, to a pretty high degree of mastery, how to manifest what I want in life. Bashar and Abraham and CwG teach this and it does work. It's just finding what you really really want, seeing it day and night, being obsessed by that vision, even acting it out to really tune yourself to that vibration, and then you get it, but it has to have a lot of momentum behind it. But whenever I get something, it's pretty empty and doesn't satisfy for long, even a soulmate or a lot of money. Compared to the Love of God, everything here is just breadcrumbs. Anyway.. That's my present understanding, how do you guys see it?

You said that after hundreds of deep trips you've done you're still at pretty much the same baseline state. You have some accurate concepts, perhaps, but do you think you will reach enlightenment with your current understanding of the process? How do you plan to get enlightened, practically? Do you believe that death will awaken you? Or will you give a cop out like oh your confusing permanent vs impermanent states or whatever. Enlightenment is permanent and removes the need to dream other dreams, because the reason for dreaming was abolished. I know you won't get this now, but anyway, just wondering what's your POV on how you will do it.

I remember reading a book Solipsism: The Ultimate Empirical Theory of Human Existence it’s written by a professor who teaches philosophy at washington university. he basically asked and compiled oponions and arguments for and against solipsism from various philosophers. his conclusion was: not a single argument against solipsism is strong and he is almost certain that solipsism is true. unfortunately, he also concluded that even if it’s true, it doesnt really matter. Ups.

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Share your summaries as well, please. I feel like life is horrible & beautiful. You grasp it, yet only a small part. It’s mysterious. It’s an illusion, perhaps, but who created it? where is he now? do I have controll over myself and this life? Appears like I have less and less control. I barely exist anymore. sometimes it gets scary. but I surrender and flow. I remember that I am unable to grasp anything and relax into the unknown. I cannot predict the future, good or bad. I do not know what is truly helpful to me. Perhaps pain is. I do not know. I stopped fantasizing and began to be ingulfed in forgetfulness of it all. The state feels humble. Opposite of what I felt when I was on control. i do not believe ego can be developed to be truly loving. I believe it has to dissapear. Then Love can appear. Might be wrong, though. I am about most things most of the time, so I do not trust any thought I think. Feels like falling without a parachute but there is no ground. Kinda fun. Kinda scary. I understand and truly know nothing. I do not even exist.

Perhaps because they are the manifestation of the Holly Spirit? Holly brothers and sisters leading you home, which, in truth, we have never left. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🖤🖤🖤

Love Lisa! Such a gentle soul

After realizing how my mind truly doesn’t know much and isn’t able to make wise choices, I felt humble and depressed. If I am incapable, then what will happen to me? Probably something bad. I was scared. I felt like it’s me against the world. I even tried working alot, trying to win the rat race and it only destroyed my mental and physical health. There is so much responsibility on your shoulders when you think you have to take care of yourself in this chaotic world using a mind which isn’t able to forsee the future or control life. It feels like being a small bird caught in a hurricane. I came to a point where I felt hopeless. However, I was guided to come back to the teachings of David Hoffmeister, as the main point of focus in his teachings is to teach people how to Trust in Divine Providence. He says: dear child, this world is only a dream and the dream is orchestrated by God Himself. You need only learn to Trust it is so and all will be taken care of without your effort. God goes before you, making straight your path. Not one seeming difficulty will but melt away before you reach it. You need take thought for nothing! Perhaps true spirituality is built on Trust? David instructs: You must become completly dependant on God your Father. Put all of your life on His shoulders. It’s the only form of dependance that gives strength instead of taking it away. You must travel through this labyrinth of life completly oblivious of everything. Absolutely careless, yet totally Trusting that He will provide. It’s like the prodigal son’s story, where the son left his Father’s home, squandered the wealth the Father gave him and fell into slavery and poverty, eating worse than the animals in his Father’s home. He then decided to come back to his Father on his knees, begging to be taken back in, promising to work as much as he can whatever laborous work Father gives him. But Father wanted to hear nothing of that. As soon as he saw that the son is coming back home, he ran to greet him, instructed his servants to bring the best robes and he threw a grand fiest, celebrating the return of his beloved son. That’s how I felt. Incapable, poor, scared, and overworked. Nothing went according to my plan. The uncertainty was too much to handle for my little mind. Instead, I want to try Trusting in Him. I don’t want to carry anything on my shoulders. I want him to arrange for all of my needs to be taken care of without my effort. I want him to remove all obsticles from my path. I don’t want to live in fear. I don’t want any responsibility at all for my life. I want to be like the son whose father takes care of everything and celebrates his return back home. From now on, I want to stop living like a son of man, and start living like the son of God. I don’t want to believe that I came from flesh, will die and crumble into dust. I want to believe that my source is Divine and he takes care of every aspect of my life. I need only have Trust in him. I experienced more miracles than I can count in my life. I don’t know why it took so much time to surrender to Him. But perhaps that was also a part of his Plan. Now, I walk in Trust, careless of everything, except my Loving Father.

I don’t think I’m making it real, stopped thinking about life being illusory and started to focus more on Faith. I generated some AI pictures to express how I feel now:

Tears filled my eyes today when I realized how good Father is. 🖤🖤 developing Trust as I go. Learning to see his care and gentlesness as he guides me Home.

User from Reddit shares his beautiful message: I live in the abundance of God. Now. He takes care of me in ALL ways. ALL of my needs are met. He is my Source, whether that leads me to stay in my current job, or to transition to another job, or to quit my job. He uses these time and place situations for salvation, for miracles. He loves me and guides me, even if I am stupid in somebody else's or my own eyes. There is no need to worry. The 'future' is in God's hands, whether I ask for financial help at the last second, or have been struggling with guilt thoughts, attack thoughts about this topic most of my life. Ask, Jesus says. Ask and receive the Answer. Money is not excluded in His teaching. Why would it be? I have also learned from His teaching that I need to choose whether I want freedom of body or freedom of mind. Choose one and the other will be used as means for reaching that goal. You need be neither careful or careless, just cast your cares on Him. Take no thought for TMR. I have what I need. I am taken care of, I keep my eyes open for His plan for me. He gives me wisdom, not 'human judgement'. I consider the birds and the lilies And avail my self of my Father's help, He WAnts to help me, with and about EVErything. With His plan for me. I simply give a nod to God, my Friend and He lovingly handles, corrects my misperceptions and 'my life.' I belong to Him. There is no guilt or worry in His thought system, nor shame. Therefore none in mine. He undoes it all, all false perceptions for me. Imo, I need do nothing means my, and everybody's 'problems', are already solved in His plan for each of us and everyone. All I need do is ask, and as I go, I can See with Christ. I trust Him, my Father. He brings me home to the awareness of His Love. I can drop all fear. God's loving plan for me goes on no matter my misperceptions, I need do nothing to be saved or to have my 'problems' solved in the vision of the holy spirit, of the Christ that I carry. He shows me that I am already free. Another user shares his miraculous experience based on Trust: The trust comes first - and then the results show I know, for sure, that you were not in a state of trust. The same way I was previously unable to really let go and 'trust', despite spiritual teachings telling me to do so, and despite thinking I was 'trusting'. What happened was that I would 'trust a little', then get frustrated that there were no 'miracles', and then a small miracle would happen, but not quite enough, and I would see-saw between this state of trust and doubt. This see-saw lasted for close to ten years - before I gradually built up enough trust to really let go of the fear of not having money/ needing to work. For me, trust was built up over time - I trusted a little, and then reality reflected that trust a little (by having a little good things come my way). And then the more I trusted, the more good things came my way, until I built up sufficient trust to deeply let go, and then good things came pouring forth. As it is, just trust as much as you can, and let the Holy Spirit guide your way. Stop waiting for results to show - when the trust is there, the results will come. If you cannot trust deeply, the Holy Spirit will work with your current level of trust to help you gradually trust more. In the meantime, don't focus on wanting to see what you judge to be 'miracles' - just let the Holy Spirit guide you towards doing what is most helpful for you to do (whether it be work or otherwise). The Course says 'I need do nothing" - and I literally did not plan or work towards any of the income that I have now - I simply did what I felt guided to do at the time, not knowing how it would lead to having money, or this and that, and yet it did, and I have more than enough to live on with very little work (maybe a few hours a month), and what work I do, I did not 'plan' on doing - it came to me. In fact, every deliberate, ego-fear motivated, plan or attempt I made to 'work', or 'to find work' fell apart, or I very quickly lost motivation, or did not pan out

Feels like you intuit that it’s fine and I would agree. It’s a basic human need, like food. When I tried to limit my lust, it began expressing itself in more unhealthy ways. Maybe that’s the reason there’s so many scandals in churches with priest and children? They limit themselves, but the pressure inside is so intense that they want to release it in anyway possible, even if it’s destructive. i love porn. There’s so many sexy girls to enjoy for free and there’s something new everyday. Love non-weird hentai too. I especially love combining weed + porn. The experience is so engaging!

Sorry for the depressing post. Thank you for the advice, everyone. 🖤 I get scared sometimes and want to get help through these types of posts. my new post describes how I will try to proceed. Let me know if you agree with that.

I hate life. There are some good moments, when revalation comes, but I can’t come back to God because I have to fucking work a shitty, soul-sucking job just to keep a roof over my head. My job eats up all of my mental and physical capacity. I am a slave. And when I get old and I am no longer a good slave, as I am sick and mentally degraded, I get thrown in the dumpster to suffer out my remaining days in pain. Even when I work hard to get ahead in my job, I still don’t see good results. I’m not smart and I know it. Life is suffering. How the fuck did God mess up so bad that now there’s mostly hell? I wish it would all end. I can’t even kill myself because I will have to come back to the same psycho planet again. I think I get how to wake up, but life isn’t even giving me a chance to do it, since I have to slave away my time to the system. God, why have you forsaken me?

The end of me After around 10 years of spirituality, I feel like I have begun to grasp what is required to return home to God. And it's not what I wanted to hear. As Ken Wapnick says, you don't want to hear the message because it says you must stop existing as an individual who makes choices. You are happy learning metaphysics and becoming a master of concepts, but that's just ego puffing himself up instead of dissolving. The mind has to accept that it must choose against itself in favor of God. True spirituality destroys the individual self, who thinks, chooses, has opinions, ideas, desires, and so on. It's the internal controller of life, realizing that it is completely incapable of making a correct choice in any situation because it knows nothing. It doesn't know what will happen in the next millisecond. How can it know what choice to make now that will result in a positive outcome in five, ten, or twenty years? Grandiosity The issue with the human mind is that it has an intrinsic grandiosity about itself. Metaphysical understanding doesn't solve this issue. It amplifies it. The ego now thinks that it is God, thus entrapping itself within its own delusion. The mind begins to believe that now it is capable of true knowledge. It is truly repelling to read "spiritual" writings from humans when they think they "got it." They begin to teach other egos, now feeling even more superior. How shocking it is to realize that no one knows anything, including me. I did all of the things I am writing about. Due to the nature of life, I don't feel guilty about them, but I do see the error. All egos are the same. Only the surface expression differs. The underlying operational mechanism of the human mind is the same across the whole species. The way the mind expresses its dysfunctionality depends on the programming it has received throughout its life. Absolutist rhetoric There is an absolutist rhetoric within the languaging of humans, which reflects their internal position. They placed themselves on a pedestal while operating from an intellect that is faulty 99.99% of the time. Here's what ChatGPT 4o says about absolutist rhetoric: Absolutist rhetoric refers to a form of communication that presents ideas, beliefs, or arguments in an uncompromising and inflexible manner. This type of rhetoric is characterized by: Certainty and Definitiveness: Absolutist rhetoric asserts that a particular position is unquestionably correct, leaving no room for doubt or alternative perspectives. It often uses language that conveys a sense of total certainty, such as "always," "never," "must," or "impossible." Exclusion of Middle Ground: It tends to reject any middle ground or compromise, framing issues in black-and-white terms. This creates a dichotomy where only two opposing viewpoints exist, with one being portrayed as entirely right and the other as entirely wrong. Moral or Ideological Superiority: Absolutist rhetoric often implies a moral or ideological superiority of one stance over others. It may suggest that opposing viewpoints are not just incorrect but also morally inferior or harmful. Emotional Appeal: This type of rhetoric frequently uses strong emotional appeals to persuade or mobilize an audience. It might employ fear, outrage, or a sense of urgency to reinforce its message and discourage critical examination or dissent. Resistance to Change: Absolutist rhetoric is typically resistant to change or new information that might challenge its established beliefs. It can be inflexible, ignoring or dismissing evidence or arguments that contradict its stance. Examples of absolutist rhetoric can be found in various domains, including politics, religion, and social issues, where speakers or writers present their views as the only acceptable truth and seek to persuade others to adopt this perspective without question. Resistance Another primary operational mechanism of the human mind is resistance. Resistance is closely related to grandiosity and absolutist rhetoric, as both of these contain the idea of certainty. Certainty says I absolutely know that this is bad and this is good. When something that the mind believes is bad is happening, it resists it. It only knows that something bad is happening because it believes that it knows what should be happening, which it would call good. However, if we drop the certainty and accept that we don't know what's best for us, then how can we resist what's happening when it might be good for us? If I am certain that I shouldn't be working in this job, God should provide me with a miracle and free me from this prison; I am closed to the possibility of this job being a lesson that teaches me that I am the devil himself. How else would God show you the error in your ways if you are certain you are right? Perhaps he will let you do what you want to and allow you to get burned by life until you drop the idea of certainty and humble yourself. When you know that you don't know anything, then you are open to listening and following. I wanted a voice to talk to me, telling me the correct path, but I am incapable of even discerning between my own internal voice and the Voice of the Holy Spirit. So, how does one proceed? Perhaps he doesn't. He becomes so humble that life carries him wherever life wants to, and the mind doesn't question life or resist it. At the very least, it appears that life has its own intelligence, which is higher than human's, so going against it is arrogant. The "I don't know mind" Currently, the internal state of my mind could be described as I don’t know anything, and that’s all I know. The mind doesn’t become wise. It only sees the errors in its ways and stops assuming that it is intelligent. If, after realizing this, it once again begins to think that it is somehow superior to others, it falls back into the trap of grandiosity. The mind understands how incapable it is and leaves it at that. Whenever it begins, out of habit, to think of any thought it believes to be true, it reminds itself - I don't know whether this is true or false. I am incapable of judgment. I am impotent as a mind. Inferior. Not bad or sinful, simply unwise. It can still offer opinions when they are needed when interacting with other minds, but its ideas are rooted in the attitude of I don't really know. It’s all guesswork by a low-level intelligence that understands it’s unwise. Peace of not knowing After shifting into this state of mind, the mind becomes more silent because there is not much for it to say when it understands that all it says is untrue. It feels peaceful. It also seems like situations in the world become resolved without much or no conflict because you don’t assume a strong position since you are aware of your incapability to engage in accurate subjective judgment. How do you make decisions? What should I eat now? Which food is good or bad? I have no idea. I feel a desire for a specific food, and I don’t resist it. That’s it. Should I lay in bed or go for a walk? I have no idea. I feel a desire and go with it. I don't judge it. If there is no desire to do anything, I don’t judge myself for that as well. Should I create a business? I have no idea. If I have a desire to do something in the moment, I do it and don’t expect anything from it. How could I hope for something to happen when I don’t understand anything? Good, bad, right or wrong, I have no clue. Perhaps I am truly hoping for my demise when I am daydreaming about a scenario I think will be good for me? That happened more than once. Conclusion In the end, I don't know. All that is written here might be untrue.

Today, I just feel like: and:

@Breakingthewall @gettoefl Thank you both. Beautiful, profound, and helpful sharings