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@QandC Here's a little fun fact for ya. There’s an expression, allegedly Polish in origin, that says if you learn a new language you gain a new soul. Bylund, who speaks three languages, does not go so far. He does note, however, “If you speak two languages, then you can sort of inhabit two world views at the same time, and you can flexibly switch between them. As a bilingual speaker, you can have two different time perceptions. That's fascinating.”

Even if everyone agreed 100% on one communicable truth how could you ever be sure everyone's perspective were really the same ?

@QandC No that's not fine. Everybody should have the same perspective as me.

Or choose your sex partners very carefully!

@zambize I just heard that. Years ago my boss at work was heavily into spirituality- TM. He would only eat cheese, fruit, veg. nuts ect. I remember one day I was going to a deli to get a sandwich for lunch and he asked if I could p-u some sliced cheese for him. He said "make sure they don't slice it on the same slicer they use to slice the meat". So when I got back at work I asked him why was that? He said "when the animal is slaughtered the memory of that tragic event is carried into all the cells of their body where it is retained and by consuming the meat you were also consuming the tragic memory of being slaughtered".

@SQAAD Not sure about sex but I've heard by eating meat/flesh you absorb the memory.

@lmfao What difference is there between the I that is doing the defining and the mind?

@SoonHei Without the world where are you? Who are you? That is deep!

@SoonHei I was reading your post then afterwards I was listening to this and thought his words and what you were expressing here were so similar. I think you may resonate with him very well. I know I do.

@SoonHei "Catch hold of the knower of the mind". Do you ever listen to Nisargadatta? Good stuff.

@Pouya Contentment is what you get. Acceptance of what is exactly as it is. But that only comes when the ego is silent. When it stops preferring to have that over this. As is with the case of you watching the clock and spending the time thinking of all the other things you could be doing instead of practice (what is). You say you want lasting peace and happiness but remember this, it is not the world that changes but your view of it.

@Pouya Most likely you can't sit because your ego got you into enlightenment for all the wrong reasons in the first place. It discovered something new called enlightenment and thought to itself "That sounds like something cool. I don't have enlightenment so I need to have some of that or else I'm missing out." Then you had one profound experience which pleased the ego enough so it doesn't want to do it anymore. It would rather be doing something else to hold it's intrest. You gotta get that under control or else you'll spend the rest of your life chasing after one thing to another for what the ego desires.

The enlightened man knows infinity is all around him.

Thought = form. Form doesn't nessarily need to be matter. Be very careful of what you think of guys!

@Bluebird Great point .. differnt views of the same one phenomenon. Some may generally refer to it as your "inner demons".

@Nexeternity Huge fan here! Have all his work on vinyl. I especially like his live album.

@Nexeternity Jean- luc Ponty

@Epsilon_The_Imperial Ever read any of Carlos Castaneda's work? Just asking.

@Shin I am open minded but at the same time seeds of belief can sprout very easily in the mind. Just expressing my view.

@Epsilon_The_Imperial So you think Leo has a negative spirit hiding in his aura that is causing fatigue? The only negative "sprit" people have attached to them is there own subconscious thoughts.

@Epsilon_The_Imperial Man that's really some woo-woo stuff you have going on there my friend.

@ingurix The opposite of enlightenment is unlightenment or the inability to see the light.....O.K. I made that up. But none the less that's fairly close. Man stands in his own shadow and wonders why he can't see the light

Change can only happen from within now. There is nothing further that can be said.

@Paul92 Who are you so angry at? Your Dad maybe?

@Paul92 Tolle also says in P-O-N that life is Leela the "divine game". Did you and I read the same book? Note: Opra Winfrey is a fan of Tolle and has done many interviews with him. Start playing the divine game and get on with it. LEELA — the Play of the Divine Posted By Ramesh Leela literally means play, and is the word commonly used in India for the play of the Divine. This point of view, naturally, assumes that there is a Divine; that having ‘created’ the universe, It is actively engaged in the affairs of Its creation; and that for It all the happenings of the universe that we sometimes take so seriously are a mere game. The game consists of changing forms, and new experiences, somewhat like what happens on a movie screen. Since Vedanta looks upon the material world as a manifestation of the Divine, the play consists essentially of the Divine creating and recreating Itself. As Sri Aurobindo says, the Divine is “Himself the play, Himself the player, Himself the playground.” Why should the procession of forms and events in the universe be looked upon as a play? Going back to the beginning, when the Divine created the universe, It was not compelled to do it, because the possibility of an agency capable of compelling It is itself incompatible with the concept of the Divine. If the Divine did it voluntarily, it may be assumed that It did so for pleasure. Any pleasurable activity may be looked upon as a play, a game, or leela. However, even a game has a direction, a goal towards which it moves. Which way is the leela of the Divine going? The game began with the Divine concealing itself very effectively in matter. How difficult it is to see the all-knowing, all-powerful Divine in dead inconscient matter! Then the Divine started unfolding in successive forms of Its creation through the agency of first the life force, and then the mind. The game became more interesting after the creation of man, because here was a creature who is dimly aware of its true identity, and seeks to discover the divinity that it conceals. Now it is truly a game of hide and seek: the Divine hides, and man seeks – often erroneously everywhere else except where it is easiest to find It, i.e., within himself. That is why man has been compared to the deer who runs in search of fragrance all over the place, little realizing that the source of the fragrance is within itself. However, occasionally, man does discover the Divine within, and goes into an ecstasy. The Divine shares the ecstatic experience because man is nothing but one of the infinite forms of the Divine. The joy of discovery cannot be experienced unless one starts with ignorance. That is possibly why the Divine started with the creation that hid it so well. This view of the universe also explains why the perfect Divine has created an imperfect world. Since the Divine hid itself in Its creation, and even the most highly evolved form of creation (man) manifests only a small fraction of the perfect Consciousness of the Divine, the creation is inevitably imperfect. The Divine is perfect, but if It does not reveal Itself fully in the creation, It cannot reveal its perfection in the creation. Lack of perfection is imperfection, lack of perfect knowledge is ignorance, lack of perfect power is weakness, lack of perfect delight is suffering. Thus ignorance, weakness and suffering in the world are an inevitable consequence of the grossly incomplete expression of the Divine Consciousness in the creation. Ignorance is not just absence of knowledge; it may also mean incomplete knowledge or erroneous knowledge, as in man. The best tool to which man may turn confidently for approaching the truth is reason. But reason is not an infallible guide to truth. Better tools, such as intuition, are rather rudimentary in man, and therefore he is not confident in using them. However, the game is on. Going by the trend so far, one may hope for a fuller manifestation of the Supreme Consciousness of the Divine in Its earthly manifestations. The mental man would give way to a supramental creature. The unique privilege of man is that he can consciously work towards a rise in the level of his consciousness, and can thereby contribute to the emergence of a new level of consciousness on earth.