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@Tancrede Pouyat So, what do you see that as being?

Yes I do but I'm not sure it's just about rationality. BTW- I just watched your vid. Very good except the part about emotional investment. That seems unnecessary. Intention -Yes. Intention without emotion attached. Emotion is wasted energy that could be put to better use.

Here's a funny thought. If there are advanced civilizations out in the universe watching us, they could be saying, "The good news is the humans are starting to evolve their brains. The bad news is they give credit for that to an idol named Spiritual Enlightenment"

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but I'm looking at "enlightenment" from a none spiritual aspect. Maybe your "being reborn spiritually" is my idea of the human brain function evolving.

Is this what we are still doing today just packaging it differently?

I love the way that sounds. Very moving and all. But is it really like that? I'm starting to question everything.

This is exactly what I'm getting at. Is it some grand cosmic mystery? Or is it all just a glitch in in the human brain? * I know that's not as romantic sounding as the former is.

A cosmic game of hide and seek.

It's perfectly natural that all organisms thrive to exist. Why should the human be any different? But when that sense of survival is overwhelmingly killing off all the other organisms because of it's glitches, something needs to evolve. With greater awareness comes grater responsibility for more that just itself. The greater awareness of the entire universe means greater respect all of it.

Just off the cuff- From mind operating only from a sense of self --to mind operating as aspect of all that exists.

I'm starting to see is a major turning point in the evolution of the human brain/mind.

Now we're on the same page. This is exactly what I felt when I woke this morning.

@Prabhaker I'm looking at what exactly enlightenment means and what it's end result is. Not as a romantic idea of something to attain. But more in what actually is happening to someone who drops that sense of self. This seems to me to be a natural developmental stage of the workings of the brain =mind/self.

@Prabhaker Yes, I totally agree. I was putting my question into a general form just as your reply was coming in. Take a look at the question that I was summarizing. What do you think. Is enlightenment just the human brain in development? Fixing it's glitches?

Just to make it clear, what I'm asking is, is "enlightenment" as we call it, this evolving brain doing a search within it's own operating system to find and repair a glitch that has been inherent within it since it's first development? Humans have a higher brain function but it still has a long way to go. With that higher brain function there has always been one glitch, sense of self. Is enlightenment just another process of evolution through which this continuously evolving brain is developing?

What is not a concept? Even having no concept is a concept.

@Mr Lenny A glitch in the operating system of higher brain function? *Maybe we just haven't worked all the bugs out yet.

Does beauty exist only in the eye of the beholder? Does truth exist only in the eye of the beholder? Who is the beholder? The creator- you.

@Leo Gura "The real truth is much deeper and more beautiful" I just got back from riding my ATV. Well, I got about 100 yds. into the woods and it quit on me. Tried to restart it, no such luck. What to Do now? Melt into every thingness. Total absorption.

If they do you would probably have to pay for it out of pocket. And it's not cheep. I have lesions on the brain from MS and it's about $5000.00 US for a MRI. I have to have my doctor write me a script for it as a medical necessity to be covered.

At the end of the day you gotta dig deep and find the truth for yourself. It's like working out, somebody else can't do it for you. Maybe inspire you or shine some light on procedure. But after that it's all you. Be still and know Bro

@mikeyy I knew two guys in town growing up that did wwaayy too many drugs. The final mental collapse, when it did happen was like the straw that broke the camels back. As far as I know, they were never the same again. In a really bad way. What I'm saying is your fine! But once that threshold is broken, it's too late. I don't know exactly what they were doing but it was much more than what you refer to. My guess is a lot of different drugs at one time. Pills, acid, PCP ect. The local doctors office was broken into and drugs were stolen. I suspect it was them, so who knows what they got their hands on.

@Leo GuraHaha. I experienced something similar to this. I was thinking to myself at the time " This is how insane ppl must feel", a disconnect. It was a bit depressing and frustrating seeing this from the perspective of "no matter how I convey something to another person it will never fully reach them". Like each person was in their own separate bubble and at best we could only bump bubbles into each other. The most insane part of that is that it's true. This gets at the crux of why I say, ego colors our world to a greater extent (even though it's an illusion). Stripped of all ego, existence becomes stark in it's raw naked form. That was quite an eye opener, especially b-c I had only experienced from the perspective of ego until than.

Haha I went through all this too. Denial is the ego's defense mechanism. Keep pushing until you crack that shell. Your so close! No, not at all. It's a process that everyone handles in their own way.