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@Leo Gura

@Deep That's interesting because one time I purposely surrendered within a state of Samadhi just to see what would happen and I vanished for a while. Of course I didn't realize I had vanished until I returned to the Samadhi state (sorry, I don't know all the exact lingo but you get the message). 2 days ago I left a reply on another topic that stated "At the heart of Samadhi lies nothingness". That experience, or should I say non-experience, is what I was referring to when I said nothingness. There was no awareness of anything because I didn't exist (no mind/thoughts). There was no experience, no bliss, no infinity, no God, no awareness, no emptiness, no nothing. After that happened I wondered if there was a level of awareness that enlightened people have achieved that could experience that state of absolute nothingness. So I'm asking, what do you see here that I may not. What are your thoughts or better yet, direct experiences on this? You seem to have knowledge in this area. Thanks

@Joel3102 Yes I've had that experience of flat field from time to time. Sometimes it just happens out of the blue. The first time it happened to me I was doing a no-self exercise and something very similar to what you describe here happened to me. I also freaked out a little and backed off because everything was getting so strange. I was definitely out of my comfort zone. At that point I gathered up all the nerve I could muster and thought to myself "something is presenting itself to you, just go with it". So I did by surrendering to it and I entered into a state of Samadhi. As far as I remember I had my eyes open but what I was seeing was not the surrounding room any longer but removed to what felt like a field of absolute calm. It gave me the impression that it was the source of all things. It was absolute emptiness but yet it had an overall quality to it that is really hard to explain from a mental/physical point of view. It felt as if I had entered another dimension or something. Just to mention also, as it was starting to happen I noticed a dramatic shift in awareness. It felt as if awareness became super concentrated. It came to a heightened point of focus that I never experienced before and was no longer only located at my body location but was filling the surrounding area. That feeling was really freaky because I felt ghostly. That was just before I surrendered and the Samadhi state happened. The next time it happens to you it won't feel so strange and different. For me it was more like "Oh, there it is again". It was still strange but not so freaky as the first time. If you can, when it happens again, just surrender to it and see what happens.

Your very question is a game. All this is an endless game with no absolute winner. Wake the FUCK up.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here.

@Afonso You are the Moth before the flame. There is no going back.

Everybody wears a mask, plays a role. Nothing difficult there to comprehend, newbie or not.

Pick your mask from the ancient gallery and walk on down the hall.

@John Hea John. Just my 2 cents worth but I see it all like a wagon wheel. At the hub is where we are infinite/stillness. As you move away from the hub to where the outer wheel hits the road is where the most movement (action) is taking place as life. Remain centered at the hub of what you are and just observe the movement taking place at the outer part of the wheel.

I agree. But awakening from egoic self has got to start somewhere. That somewhere is a union called Samadhi. The absolute will than be revealed within the heart of Samadhi. Again, it's a process of unfolding. If you take it to the limits from the start, you often loose people because the ego can't relate directly to the absolute. This is where Samadhi comes into play.

@kurt

Samadhi is the direct realization of the true self or Anata which is the gateway to the absolute. There is no one to seek, understand or chase anything. These fundamental misconceptions only arise in the absence of Samadhi (union). @Deep What you say here is correct, to a lesser degree only because consciousness is being experienced through the individual self/mind awareness. Only through awakened awareness, (Anata) can the absolute be realized as it has no direct experience of itself. This is where the magic of it all lies. As long as we're in this body/mind/time/space existence, someone would have to be totally stone enlightened, I'm talking non- existent to be absolute consciousness 24/7. That being said, absolute consciousness can still be visited through Samadhi. And one day we all awaken from the dream of self and return again to the absolute we once where. This is all a beautiful process of unfolding that is meant to be. You are exactly where you should be as part of that process. This is it happening now! To be one with that infinity unfolding process is to be one with God.

Nothingness lies within the heart of Samadhi. Samadhi is the link between what is this and what is not.

I think I remember Leo mentioning unfolding patterns here on the forum.. "There are patterns that exist outside of space-time that are participating in the ongoing process of creation."

@OBEler A@20:00 is where I had to pause the vid. because something was shifting in perception.

@OBEler Actually it happened when I was listening to one of Leo's vids. I tried to get a real feel of me as being an illusion. I did that exercise a couple of times and nothing really happened. Than one time I really went for broke and I felt a shift happening and had to pause the vid. I thought of all my earliest memories of myself up until this moment and put them and me in an imaginary pile in front of me. I than said to myself, "All this is and illusion". Than it cracked wide open. Awareness became liberated from the usual location of myself and filled the room. It honestly freaked me out a bit but it felt strangely inviting at the same time. So I surrendered to it and at that point I entered what felt like another dimension or level of awareness. It was nothing short of the source of all things. Some may call it the absolute or something similar. I'll find the exact vid. of Leo's. It's a hit or miss door so don't get discouraged if it doesn't happen the first time. You really have to let go of everything too. Like you don't care if you die in the process.

@OBEler No, I wouldn't call Samadhi astral projection either but my awareness was similarly Just as an observer. How can you tell the difference between imagination (letting the mind trip) and true astral projection? Just wondering. I've never explored this in depth.

@Dodoster On second thought, I just heard a gun shot nearby. I'm feeling a little pathetic myself right now fearing for my life.

@Dodoster No not "out" as clubbing or to the park. I mean out of the pathetic little "self". But it is nice to get that small self out for a breath of fresh air every once in a while. Which I am planning on doing right now. It's freezing outside but I'm gearing up to take the ATV and the dog for a long run in the woods. Maybe I'll just find a quiet place to sit for a while and melt into nature. I guess I should wear something bright because it is hunting season now where I'm located.

@Dodoster Some of the greatest insights can be had when we except how pathetic we really are. That leaves us nowhere to go but out.

@Soulbass Personally I have never done astral projection. Lucid dreaming is easy but I'm not sure how to tell the difference between the two. Maybe youtube has some vids.? I have had the experience of consciousness being liberated from my body location on 2 occasions which lead to a Samadhi experience (union) . That is probably in the same general realm as astral projection. It felt as if I suddenly entered into another dimension or level of awareness. Really different. Hard to explain because it is something you would have to experience directly for yourself. I was stone sober and wide awake just to mention. That experience did show me one important thing though. That we all keep our level of awareness on a leash (so to speak) or contained and don't allow it the freedom that it truly has to move about and be Omni-present. After having that experience, I wouldn't dismiss any possibility like astral projection for instance. I can say one thing that may help you though. There was a distinct and sudden shift in awareness. Awareness seemed to become hyper focused like a laser beam first and than became liberated. It was not just the usual casual awareness that we experience in every day life. Maybe the phrase "trance state" could be used to point in a general direction of that type of experience. That's the best I can describe it since it was so different from ordinary (bounded) awareness. The thing is, I would love to be able to "will" it to happen. But it doesn't. It's more like finding a secrete door within awareness that you never realized was there before. Finding it is a hit or miss thing. *I just remembered too, I think @Emerald may have some vids. on A.P. The Diamond Net. on youtube. Have you checked that out yet? I know there is a lot of info on L.D. there. Best of Luck!

@Leo Gura No peeing? That sounds like a great idea after watching this. *Skip to 3:30 to get to the crux of it.

@Snick Thanks, tell him I said "sleep well".

@Leo Gura If I could ask, what was the most valuable insight you had when using 5-meo that still remains even after the trip is over?

You can slice it any way you want, but it's still one loaf of bread.