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@blazed Let em all collapse and trust your own inner guru.

Just so we don't get into a debate over this it's getting locked. @tecladocasio gave their point of view. Enough said.

@sgn I'm sure Leo will share more info later how it happened (for him). Gotta wait and see.

@sgn It really doesn't matter. When it's time one simple word uttered could be enough. Even a glass shattering on the floor could be the catalyst. It happened and it is complete. That is all that matters.

In the relative world time allows for duration- movement. Just as there is no movement of the puppet until the puppet master pulls the strings, so it is with the influence of time on reality. In an absolute reality free from the distortional effect of time everything would be located at a point of singularity. Or in other words what may be be referred to as God. But time distorts that singular image of God as to create the illusion of separation/ distance, movement through time. So what do you guys think? Throw out the puppet master of time and your one step closer to Gods realm?'

@Nahm Time and space are like first cousins that have a child together named Reality.

Yea it loses it's dimensional factor and collapses into....?..... the absolute?. Or maybe better to say it returns to the absolute. But than again, all this is just a view from this relative reality within time and space.

@Nahm How many people live in the time warp never realizing what it's like to step out of it.

That's the magic. Why it happens? Again, that's the magic! You mention the reason to seek enlightenment is to "feel good". If an enlightened person sees the world as a magic trick made from nothing, how could they have anything other than a smile on their face? Good times or bad. No difference.

@Monkey-man Enlightened ppl don't ask why because there is nothing to ask about. Everything is the absolute and the absolute doesn't exist. I know that's a total paradox. But that's the truth of it. There is no one to wonder why. There is no duality. There is no non-duality. There is no enlightenment. There is no God. There is no creation. There is no one being born. There is no world. There are no appearances. There is no nothingness. There is no void. Everything is the absolute and the absolute doesn't exist. Drop the logic that asks why and it all makes perfect sense. Nothing is.

The Dualistic Mind

@Nahm I have a feeling what Sadhguru was talking about at the lake was more than your run of the mill intergalactic travelers. You've heard of parallel universes and dimensions. Parallel consciousnesses?

Yea right. You can't even come close b-c there is literally nothing there.

Good way to put it.

Not even the knowledge that one is centerless would be present in that realm or that it is beautiful or sacred.

Can you imagine beings that exist on a level of awareness beyond conscious awareness. I'm not saying beyond thought where only pure consciousness remains as in enlightenment. I mean a whole other level that doesn't exist anywhere within consciousness. To exist with no knowledge that you exist or maybe to say they exist in the absence of consciousness.

@sarapr I stole that one from Nisargadatta.

@sarapr What if you took that thought a bit farther and realized that no one is dying because no one is being born? (it's a deception you are the body/mind).

@tatsumaru Yea it's so great to have that childhood experience of oneness again. What a shame that door so often closes with time. The memory of the perfection and connectedness and completeness with reality that I experienced as a a child is what started this spiritual journey for me. Listening to Nissargadatta today "Rays of the Absolute" and he said something that connected it all together for me. That everything is is one consciousness. And i thought, that's what I experience in my childhood. That experience of oneness is consciousness.

@playdoh I'll try to answer your question " Ego death--is enlightenment worth it". I know exactly how your feeling about enlightenment after an ego death experience. Like there is no underlying structure supporting your life and it feels empty. But that's just how it feels at first and it's really all just psychological shit. So I just wanted to let you know there is something that does fill in the empty feeling and it's huge and totally amazing. And believe it or not, it's always been right here with you. In fact it's so much of what you are you probably see right past it all the time and take it for granted. This is where this is heading. As the ego/self slowly falls away you exist more and more as consciousness. So consciousness itself slowly fills the empty void that ego death creates. Less ego/self = more consciousness. Than finally comes the total realization that consciousness is everything and there is no separation of you or anything from it. So I just wanted to share that thought. I know ego death can leave you kind of empty feeling. But cheer up, consciousness is everything-everywhere and so are you. And that's not a just words but the truth of enlightenment. Can you see that? And more importantly, actually be that? Everything in reality is one thing- consciousness and everything that is separate is illusion/mind. Make that distinction and live by it and it will give you something to work with that will piece this all together in a really great way.

@FelixTheCat That reminds me of something Walt Whitman wrote about. "I must not be awake for everything looks to me as it never has before. Or else I'm awake for the first time and all that was before was just a dream" I don't think your alone!

@playdoh I was reading your concerns and sounds like you should let your desires run free for now. Get it out of your system. Do whatever your ego want's to do but stay mindful and observe it. Give it some time and you'll be back. If you don't get too lost in the dream that is. But seriously, I don't think that will happen. The seed is already planted. You can't un-see what you've already seen. Just let it gel for now and stay mindful my friend.

Cheese heads. But seriously, none of us would be here if it wasn't for some level of belief.