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I was waiting for that. What took you so long?

@SOUL Just playing with form.

@Faceless Yes but it is very rare. All experiences, memory, knowledge, coming and going are part of the Spanda. The perpetual motion of rising and falling. Existence-non existence. Experience-non experience. Awakened states-non awakened states. Knowing- no knowing. This infinite motion-Karma is driven by desire. Even the desire to be awakened drives the Spanda. Very rarely is the Spanda truly transcended. But when it is there is absolutely no one there. Complete annihilation.

A disciple went to his master and asked "Master I'm curious, how do I practice Not knowing?" After a long time without the master saying a word the disciple finally asked again "Master, are you not going to tell me how I can practice not knowing?" The master replied, "I just did. Only your curiosity of wanting to know stopped you from seeing that" .

@Shanmugam Yes We carry so much resistance and have done so for so long we often don't even realize it. Even when there is nothing immediately presenting resistance there remains the expectation of what will arise.

@Shanmugam You always offer great insights. Feel free to add something here if you wish.

@mohdanas This is what the body of the work is mostly about. Deconstructing the belief system that has been built over time. Lets say you take two beliefs. In your right hand you hold the belief that reality is real. In your left hand you hold the belief that reality is illusion. Now put the two together and both beliefs collapse.

@Faceless Wait until he's in school. That's where the "head" really gets established.

@Faceless I was thinking what I would have done differently (if anything) when my son was that age knowing what I know now. Which is I don't know anything at all.

@Faceless True not knowing. Good. No know-er. Than that would be "neither". Right? There is no knower to either have or not have a head. That's interesting about your son. So you can notice him developing a "head" over time. Before this there was probably no one there to know if a head existed or not. He was in a pure state of no- knowing.

@Faceless Not trying to be confrontational but who knows this? Isn't that the head having an experience of no head?

@Faceless Are you headless? Not headless? Or neither?

@StephenK Infinite expressions of one.

@John Iverson I have RLS (restless leg syndrome). It started in my mid 20's. As I got older it expanded into the arms too. It only happens when the body gets really relaxed. If I get a flair up I postpone meditation until it subsides. Does that ever happen to you any other time or just in meditation?

@Max_V No fault at all if you approach it from a point of not knowing. First be the blank paper. Than write upon it.

@cena655 I jest but than again I don't. I think you see the cosmic joke of it all. There is no one laughing.

Laugh is all you can do at the jokeless joke.

@Shin Poor cena655 probably isn't sure if we're joking around or not. I'm not laughing are you?

@Shin I'm hiding over here behind the illusion. Shh!

@Shin You hear about children having an "imaginary friend". I have one as an adult. It's me!

@cena655 Glad to hear you got it out of your system. If I could ask, what did your mother say about your realization? Did she say, "well of course silly, you thought I was your mother? I gave birth to a body but you my dear made up the rest of it". Did she say anything like that?

@Patang Oh i can tell you she's not enlightened at all. For instance it was Valentines day on Wednesday so I get her a nice card with a big red heart on the front. So I write in the card "Roses are red, violets are blue. I don't exist and neither do you". She totally didn't get it!

@Shin Just don't make the same mistake I did, find yourself an enlightened g-f!

@Patang Here's another for you! I should be busy cleaning the house for the weekend instead of fart'n around. Does cleaning house require the illusion of free will to accomplish or not? I did have the free will to clean this morning but now I see that's all an absurd illusion. So I'll put it to the test now. Lets see what the outcome is. This will be interesting! I'll let you guys know if the house gets cleaned or not. Do-da-do-da do.. O.K. So I have an hour or so to kill. How about me just hanging out here on the forum chillin with you guys? Is this also the illusion of free will or not? Should I stay or should I go? Which choice is not the illusion of free will? Chatting on the forum or cleaning the house? I hope this goes alright b-c even though the future is an illusion and also seeing the future- I'm predicting that when the G-F gets home from work later today (the future) she's going to say "What the hell did you do all day?" Than I'll tell her Patang and Nahm said free will and future are illusions so I applied no free will to get the house cleaned for an imaginary weekend".

@Patang I knew you'd see right through that one.