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@electroBeam I read all his books but no shrooms at the time. Just reading the books alone opened up a whole new world of possibility to explore.

@electroBeam Ever read any of the books by Carlos Castaneda?

@electroBeam I haven't experienced that directly but after the experience I described I can see how Native Americans believed in an unseen "Spirit world" that connects everything. A Tao, so to speak.

@electroBeam From this statement I have a good idea of what your talking about. It's sort of a Samadhi experience with reality. I have woods behind my house and I often sit there after meditation and allow the mind to become perfectly still until there is no separation between perception and reality. It's as if reality morphs into a single infinite field and becomes super hi definition and even the colors become brighter. It's clumsy to really put into words but I tried to explain it the best I can. I like the silence of the woods because it gets me away from familiar surroundings that keep me stuck in my identification. But in the woods I become pure perception with no associations/identifications and labels. It feels as if God is looking through theses eyes.

@Haumea If you live to a ripe old age this too will be part of your experience of reality. It's all part of the ceremony of life. Nurture it spiritually and it will be a fruitful harvest.

Reality is ceremonial. Just like the giant scissors. It celebrates as an expression of the absolute.

@Leo Gura Yur cracking me up. WTH it's friday!

I know the death of the body/mind is eminent. That's what makes life exciting. I know this "experience" could end at any moment. So I'm not sure where to place my vote. I guess at different times it can be any of them. Where is the "me" that votes? Is there one?

@Mirror of Confusion Put on a pair of headphones and listen to this. It will loosen you up real good!

@MarkusSweden That's what I'm looking for. You got one? An answer that is? I'll take whatever you got.

@Mirror of Confusion Just my guess but I think you where supposed to experience a release during the session. From the amount of time you put into it, it sounds like that wasn't happening.

@WildeChilde 1) You know the giant scissors they use at ribbon cutting ceremonies? Where do they come from? 2) Why does reality exist at all?

@Mirror of Confusion Hi. Just wondering why your not asking your "guide" about this if they are the experts? I know nothing at all about this but it sounds like a good recipe for hyper ventilating. When we change our breathing drastically it causes chemical changes in the body. You may want to look into that.

@Serotoninluv Yes it is just a pointer within dualistic language/mind. Imo what is being pointed at is that even the word/concept of non-duality must be transcended. Wolinsky: "Have No Station". "Stations are there to be transcended".

@Nahm I think you got to core of it there.

@molosku What's wrong with just allowing the mind to collapse into stillness/emptiness. What truth can be greater than that? Personally I don't trust any so called truth that happens within consciousness/experience/knowing. IMO even when a truth is found it should be thrown out so that nothing at all remains.

@lmfao Adyashanti, Nisargadatta/Steven Wolinsky and Leo of course. Steven Wolinsky, a disciple of Nisargadatta has about the most non-dual approach of anyone I've listened to. He considers non-duality a duality. For there to be the concept of non-duality there would also have to be duality as it's counter part. So to say non-duality in itself infers a duality.

@KMB4222 Nothing unusual there. If the mind sees a breakthrough coming it will pull out all it's little tricks to stop it from happening. So there are two ways in my experience to overcome this. 1) You finally get so tired of hitting that wall when a breakthrough is about to happen you go for broke and fully surrender to whatever comes. 2) You transcend the mind before it has a chance to see it coming. This has to happen just by chance. So the more you meditate, the more chances that a breakthrough will happen spontaneously. One suggestion though. Don't try to create a breakthrough to happen. Just allow it to come on it's own and when it presents itself just let go into it.

@Faceless Thanks. Yea it resonates well with my experience too. A lot of great pointers to an enlightened understanding of the cosmos (from a conceptual standpoint). Here is something interesting I noticed. He discusses David Bohms "implicate/explicate order". Did you see the "Artwork" topic that @moon777light submitted yesterday called "ex nihlo"? If you get a chance, check out the first picture for example. The artist seems to suggest the same "implicate order (void) /explicate order (non void or manifest) as discussed here.

@Leightonm Ayla Topic Starter - - - Ayla Member 1,475 posts (IP: 79.130.199.58) · Posted March 19, 2016 · Report post This is intended as a guide and a sharing of experiences after the initial "seeing". A little bit of an explanation: After initial seeing of the reality of no self, mind will begin to come back with a vengeance for a while, probing into the most intimate corners of your being, as if to ask if you are sure that you want to pursue this. First attack is usually: "what you saw was either not real or you didn't see it at all or you've imagined it" etc. This is where people usually get lost. For some, they go back to believing their minds. They lost touch with their inner intelligence because they are so caught up in fears and lack of self trust. They stop seeing the help that is being given to them in order to transcend, lose insights and intuition, only to come back to them weeks or months or years later - usually due to life frustrations that keeps pushing them to continue. Solution: deepen your seeing. Keep inquiring who is the one that doesn't believe, Keep going back into "observer mode". Don't believe anything you mind is telling you. IT IS NOT REAL! Once you have deepened your seeing, You will receive some kind of help through synchronicity, new openings, new forms of seeing the reality and understanding it. Second series of attacks involve your deepest programming and insecurities. Situations will present themselves to trigger what you cling to as a person. It will seem VERY real and frightening. This is where a guide is very important. Someone that can keep you steady and focused so that you don't give up. Different dynamics in the job area, family area, interpersonal relationships are beginning to manifest and everyone around you will try to pull you back into who they need you to be. I call such attacks HELL. They have a feeling about them that is so definitive, like a surgeon that cuts off parts of yourself. BTW, they will only cut parts of who you are not, of your own illusory construction. How to deal with such attacks. Usually during the first attacks of this type, you completely "lose it". You lose the seeing, the observer, the guide, the God and everything seems to go into a full panic mode. Body reacts in a myriad of ways - pains, aches, shaking, vomiting, trouble breathing, sharp knives, cold, hot, etc. Mind is going completely bonkers. If you can get in touch with the one that sees that and just let it happen, if you stop pushing it away, if you can fully feel the body's reactions, it will pass. Use any or all of these "affirmations" : this has come and it will go this is only tearing apart things which I am not I am seeing all of this, it is not me I cannot be killed let go It is also very possible that you also lose the confidence and the trust in your guide at this time, because of the association of mind: "it is because of this person that I am into this mess". You need to prepare for this one in advance. Build trust and look into this, BEFORE. A good guru or guide will warn you about this and put in place techniques to reach out to him in those moments. I have a list of videos and one or two people to help me when/if this still arises. The help consists in the reassurance that all that's needed is to stay as the Self and watch all this. There's also a strong pull to just go back to sleep during this phase, as you see your self-made construction dissolve. It can manifest as suicidal thoughts, refusal to continue the looking, negating the guide, going back into certain pattern of behavior, throwing away all the books, deleting the videos, etc etc. Those, are also thoughts and you need to look at them as such. Keep going in. As an ending to this initial post, I want to say that if you read this and you know what I'm talking about, hopefully it will help you stay on the right track and reassure you. Every Enlightened Master has passed through this narrow space in order to transcend. For each of us, the experience seems different but it has the same roots and flavors. Keep in mind that TRUTH NEVER ATTACKS YOU, and if it does, it only attacks parts of who you are not! User Quote Edit Bookmark

@WildeChilde Check this out @9:35

Maybe best to leave it to a poet at that point. To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour.

@batfly O.k. Thanks, we get the idea. Do you have anything in direct experience to contribute here?

Haha Exactly!

@Timotheus What he is saying reminded me of something I was contemplating just the other day. If an enlightened Zen master is walking in the forest and a tree falls, does it make a sound?