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@electroBeam Nice trip report! Could you please copy and paste it to the Mega Thread with the other reports. From Leo- Posted Sunday at 01:43 PM · Report post Since people will be asking all sorts of questions about it for weeks to come, let's aggregate them here. Post your questions, tips, and experiences with Shamanic Breathing here (Mega Thread).

@dude Actually that is fairly common so you have a good point there not to proceed in this case of a broken hand -IMO.

@Phrae Whether physical or mental/emotional concerns you have, pace yourself and take it slow. No rush to be anywhere!

@Phrae You want assurance but everybody is different. Just from your statement here it would probably be best to stay with something you feel more comfortable with to be on the safe side. When you feel your ready you can take on something a bit more adventurous like this. Think about it. Coldness behind the eyes is freaking you out. How are you going to handle becoming completely detached from your body? Which could very well happen.

@Spacious Same here.

I started off improvising on the bongo's/ congas and getting into a breathing rhythm. After 30 mins. I switched to full shamanic breathing while listening to this with headphones. It' got trippy real quick at that point. Like a wakeful dream state. Lots of nooks and crannies yet to explore. Some visuals like morphing lights. Afterwards had a slight headache and also I noticed a bit of agitation which subsided. That will need further exploration. Reality was a bit wonky too afterwards.

@electroBeam I read all his books but no shrooms at the time. Just reading the books alone opened up a whole new world of possibility to explore.

@electroBeam Ever read any of the books by Carlos Castaneda?

@electroBeam I haven't experienced that directly but after the experience I described I can see how Native Americans believed in an unseen "Spirit world" that connects everything. A Tao, so to speak.

@electroBeam From this statement I have a good idea of what your talking about. It's sort of a Samadhi experience with reality. I have woods behind my house and I often sit there after meditation and allow the mind to become perfectly still until there is no separation between perception and reality. It's as if reality morphs into a single infinite field and becomes super hi definition and even the colors become brighter. It's clumsy to really put into words but I tried to explain it the best I can. I like the silence of the woods because it gets me away from familiar surroundings that keep me stuck in my identification. But in the woods I become pure perception with no associations/identifications and labels. It feels as if God is looking through theses eyes.

@Haumea If you live to a ripe old age this too will be part of your experience of reality. It's all part of the ceremony of life. Nurture it spiritually and it will be a fruitful harvest.

Reality is ceremonial. Just like the giant scissors. It celebrates as an expression of the absolute.

@Leo Gura Yur cracking me up. WTH it's friday!

I know the death of the body/mind is eminent. That's what makes life exciting. I know this "experience" could end at any moment. So I'm not sure where to place my vote. I guess at different times it can be any of them. Where is the "me" that votes? Is there one?

@Mirror of Confusion Put on a pair of headphones and listen to this. It will loosen you up real good!

@MarkusSweden That's what I'm looking for. You got one? An answer that is? I'll take whatever you got.

@Mirror of Confusion Just my guess but I think you where supposed to experience a release during the session. From the amount of time you put into it, it sounds like that wasn't happening.

@WildeChilde 1) You know the giant scissors they use at ribbon cutting ceremonies? Where do they come from? 2) Why does reality exist at all?

@Mirror of Confusion Hi. Just wondering why your not asking your "guide" about this if they are the experts? I know nothing at all about this but it sounds like a good recipe for hyper ventilating. When we change our breathing drastically it causes chemical changes in the body. You may want to look into that.

@Serotoninluv Yes it is just a pointer within dualistic language/mind. Imo what is being pointed at is that even the word/concept of non-duality must be transcended. Wolinsky: "Have No Station". "Stations are there to be transcended".

@Nahm I think you got to core of it there.

@molosku What's wrong with just allowing the mind to collapse into stillness/emptiness. What truth can be greater than that? Personally I don't trust any so called truth that happens within consciousness/experience/knowing. IMO even when a truth is found it should be thrown out so that nothing at all remains.

@lmfao Adyashanti, Nisargadatta/Steven Wolinsky and Leo of course. Steven Wolinsky, a disciple of Nisargadatta has about the most non-dual approach of anyone I've listened to. He considers non-duality a duality. For there to be the concept of non-duality there would also have to be duality as it's counter part. So to say non-duality in itself infers a duality.

@KMB4222 Nothing unusual there. If the mind sees a breakthrough coming it will pull out all it's little tricks to stop it from happening. So there are two ways in my experience to overcome this. 1) You finally get so tired of hitting that wall when a breakthrough is about to happen you go for broke and fully surrender to whatever comes. 2) You transcend the mind before it has a chance to see it coming. This has to happen just by chance. So the more you meditate, the more chances that a breakthrough will happen spontaneously. One suggestion though. Don't try to create a breakthrough to happen. Just allow it to come on it's own and when it presents itself just let go into it.

@Faceless Thanks. Yea it resonates well with my experience too. A lot of great pointers to an enlightened understanding of the cosmos (from a conceptual standpoint). Here is something interesting I noticed. He discusses David Bohms "implicate/explicate order". Did you see the "Artwork" topic that @moon777light submitted yesterday called "ex nihlo"? If you get a chance, check out the first picture for example. The artist seems to suggest the same "implicate order (void) /explicate order (non void or manifest) as discussed here.