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@John Iverson That's a good question. I'd say it's far more intelligent than knowledge. Infinitely farther. It's so intelligent it can't even be put into words or understood with the mind the way that books and such can be understood. Knowledge that can be shared is just a small fraction that only points in the direction to infinite intelligence.

@Violina If someone were to realize their true inner being beyond all identification with the mind why would that stop a person from being successful? Wouldn't you think that would make someone a better dancer since they would express their dance from an inner silence deeper than mind.

@SoonHei keep going and you'll eventually "realize" it. Keep in mind there is no definable aspect to it. That's what makes it infinite.

@Hello from Russia Let go of yourself. Now what are you?

@Hello from Russia Exactly. Just practice being present- mindful. It should be effortless. Anything other is excess.. Throw it out.

@SoonHei Same here but took more time for me. We came to the right place to "be".

@SoonHei Any experiance is always going to have some "you" factor to it. To completely transcend the self takes practice, and great mastery. That's the reason most ppl turn to other options. Just my opinion but try to stay away from smoking that convenience store "incense". You never know what's in that kind of stuff. It could be laced with embalming fluid for all you know.

@SoonHei It is good that you contemplated this. You can perhaps appreciate now just how much the ego identification colorizes reality. The ego for instance may see a cat. If the ego loves cats than it colorizes it by adding things like a cute, cuddly, fuzzy kitty. In true reality it's just an animal with fur. Even that definition is labeling it. But i think you see what i mean. The cute, fuzzy, kitty is just illusory additions that the ego imposes over it. What you may have had was a taste of experiencing reality in an egoless state. The meaningless, hopeless feeling that it left you with was again the ego's way of coming to terms with true reality face on and it didn't like it. But it all goes with the territory of awakening to true reality. Time to drop the rose colored glasses that the ego experiences the world through along with the ego. The good news here is the ego's point of view has been an illusion all along.

@SoonHei No it went away by the next morning. I just wondered why I experienced what I did for a long time afterwards. Lets explore this. Nothing in your room really changed, right? I mean not physically changed. So what did change? What was different?

@SoonHei That was interesting. I think I know what your talking about. I had a similar experiance years ago but yea it's something you don't forget. Reality becomes mostly meaningless, depressing and empty like a child's coloring book without crayons. Sound familiar in a way? It took me some time to see the truth in that experiance.

@SoonHei You can leave out the "sir" part too. Think of me more as a mode of energy expressing itself within consciousness as cetus56.

@saint_charming7 Did you see the reply I left an hour ago on the topic "Spiritual growth makes unhappy"? Yea it's a freaky feeling to become separate from the body location. When it first happened to me it was spontaneous. I never seen it coming and was completely unexpected. I couldn't find much information on it when I researched it. But I know that feeling of "What was that???" "What just happened?"

@Violina Some ppl don't like that feeling of becoming detached from the body. It is a bit freaky to experiance for the first time.

@Violina Have you thought about maybe taking a break from enlightenment work for a while? You can always come back to it when you feel the time is right.

@SoonHei Have you seen this.

@chakra_7654321 Here's my favorite OM meditation to listen to w/headphones. From what I've heard Om is the vibrational sound of the universe.

@SoonHeiSo true. It can't be defined or contained by the mind. It's well outside of all that limited jazz. Not to say the mind still can't enjoy the ongoing show.

@SoonHei In dualistic terms- this reality we share has a beginning and an ending. We experiance space, time, matter and ego for a short while. But the true reality that is infinite and changeless is found inside us not outside. If you look inside you will find it. It's always there in it's changeless state. It is literally an absence of all that is known. It is the wellspring of all things. Yet it contains nothing. Where would an artist put the paint if there were no blank canvas?

@Dodo Thanks. You got it! The quote is Nisargadatta- "Prior to Consciousness".

@SoonHei It's hard to put into words. Like you may think for instance that you are in reality. But that's an illusion. You are reality. Not "in" it. Reality is you/you are reality. No separation. That which has no beginning or end as the experiance of reality. If you wanted to think of it dualistically one could call it "the infinite side of reality".

@the_end_of_me Yea- my bad. It's jhani (enlightened - a god).

@the_end_of_me I probably spelled it wrong.

@SoonHei This whole reality is you. From the largest galaxies to the tiniest speck of dust.

@SoonHei No two paths are ever the same. Learn what you need from others but only self inquiry and surrender will give you direct experiance. Go inward. It's all in you.