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  4. Posted · Edited by Something Funny

    5 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

    That sounds pretty insecure and beta, not gonna lie. I think I'm done with this discussion

    Lol, good job identifying yourself as a brain dead red piller from reddit. You are right, there is no reason for us to keep talking.

    Go listen to andrew tate or whatever rapist is popular with you guys nowadays.

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    31 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Life is a power relationship between libidinal forces, no matter how much you feel the need to protect your ego by drowning this phenomenon in additional layers of concepts like veganism, humanism, egalitarianism or whatever. 

    Look, I am glad that you've found a new hobby in reading Freud but this is just one little perspective out of a hundred. And its not even the best one.

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    22 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    my position, there is no narcissism at all, just hovering desires projected on external objects. 

    This is just your interpretation of my words. It has nothing to do with what I've said. I didn't say anything about narcissism or selfishness or desires. Just described the way you look at animals.

    23 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    The less selfish a desire is, the more regressive and narcissistic it is in fact.

    According to you

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    7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    It's not only a difference we do between different species but also between humans : You don't treat your mother the same way you treat a random 50yo woman, and you don't treat a non attractive girl the same way you treat an attractive girl.

    Its not in the same. There are still some basic standards with which I treat a person no matter whi they are. Like not eating them for dinner.

    Vegan advocate for extending those standards to animals as well.

    8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Why ?

    Because vegans share deep love, empathy, and respect for living beings that most humans don't have.

    9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    You don't have neither, the only real fundamental reason why we don't treat you like an animal is because as a human you are part of the community and have a power relationship that an animal does not have;

     

    13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    An animal does not pay taxes and cannot conspire against its employer. You can't do anything against another human being and to protect your own interest you will wish for yourself a society with justice, but a justice that secures cohabitation with potentially threatening factors, that is to say other humans! Not animals.
    Life is a power relationship between libidinal forces, no matter how much you feel the need to protect your ego by drowning this phenomenon in additional layers of concepts like veganism, humanism, egalitari

    No. You are only presenting part of the picture. The other part of it is that people have morals and empathy that they are guided by. And they consider certain things to be unacceptable and wouldn't want to live in a society that engages in those things. It has nothing to do with power.

     

    17 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    It is actually you who is the most self-centered in this story; you live in the split, negatively connote the object according to ideological and abstract criteria in order to be able to identify yourself in fine with the good, turning the camera towards yourself and congratulating yourself is the way in which you are encouraged to enjoy in this context.

    Nice projection.

    You actually have zero clue about what my reason for being a vegan are and how I view myself. Sorry, I don't fit into your little couch psychology bubble.

    19 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    The less selfish a desire is, the more regressive and narcissistic it is in fact.

  12. Posted · Edited by Something Funny

    20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Because dogs are used as pets, we have been neurologically and psychologically conditioned to see them as such.
    Pasture animals have no other use than to be eaten.

    In fact, some animals that are selected to be pets, such as dogs or cats, are sometimes still eaten in some places in the world.

    Exactly what I was saying. Normal people treat different animals differently, based on their usefulness,cuteness, cultural conditioning, etc.

    Vegans say that all animals should be treated equally no matter if they happen to be useful to your survival agenda or not.

    20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Pasture animals have no other use than to be eaten.

    A vegan would say that animal life is not there to be useful to you and to beexploited by you. It just is, for its own sake. That's the fundamental distinction.

    You don't give an animal the right to just be. It has to be useful to you. Its all about you and your ego. Me me me. You have no respect and recognition for them as a separate being.

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    8 minutes ago, Basman said:

    My critique of veganism is mostly against the P. Singer brand of extreme veganism and idiotic activism.

    So against 0.1 percent of vegan activism?

    8 minutes ago, Basman said:

    I'd love to see a more realistic and informative dialogue that doesn't use emotional blackmail and outrage as a crutch because veganism can be a positive influence.

    You mean like all the amazing documentaries, blogs, books, that were made, all the rescue animal shelters, all the peaceful protests and demonstrations?

    8 minutes ago, Basman said:

    The reason people disrespect vegans is because your insufferable.

    This is just going in circles.

     

    "The reason I don't like you is because you are unlikable"

    What's the actual reason why veganism is so triggering to people. Why so many people have such strong opinions about it, despite the fact that most of them haven't even met a single vegan in their life?

    Because veganism questions people's worlviews, values, and beliefs. For the same reason people freak out about trans people, or gay people, or immigrants.

    Just look at all the example that you used before, they are all texbook examples of finding some ragebait edgecase and being met about it.

    Like those stories about people changing their kids gender and drag queens in schools, etc.

    Very few people whonare outraged by veganism have actually had a bad experience with a vegan person irl.

    Even Buck Edwards, when asked about who shamed her about eating animal, had to resort to lying about me doing it, even though I have never done such thing.

    And she had to post a video if some trolls coming to a vegan demonstration and creating an argument THEMSELVES, but made it vegans fault for "shaming people"

    11 minutes ago, Basman said:

    That should say something about your politics. Its unserious and merely groupthink.

    It says what I've just said. Its too radical, challenging, and scary for most people. And its not any more groupthink than any other political movement. In fact, vegans on average are more developed. They are SD stage green, compared to most other people who are blue and orange.

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    Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

    I mean... feeling better than me on what basis? Anything to back that claim up? Anything at all? LMAO

    1. You are the one who's made the most unspecific claim ever and said that you are going to feel better than A vegan.

    So I can ask you the same. What vegan? How do we establish who is a good representative of A vegan for you to compare yourself to?

    And on what basis? How are you planning to back up that claim.

    2. At least I named a specific person who I am comparing myself to.

    2 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

    Anything to back that claim up? Anything at all? LMAO

    Just my intuition. You seem kind of small minded and petty. So I am pretty sure that I can outdo you simply due to the sheer power of my unyielding, fiery spirit!

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    3 minutes ago, Basman said:

    The ideological point of veganism is equalizing animals with humans in terms of rights and ethics. There is hardly any point in being vegan if not for ethical reasons.

    I agree, but that's not what altruism means? At least not in my understanding.

    5 minutes ago, Basman said:

    Veganism is sorely focused on the welfare of individuals as opposed to collectives, like for example an ecology, a forest or a city. Vegans do not prioritize the environment over individual animal welfare for example. For someone like P. Singer, the environment is something to be undermined for that exact reason, advocating for euthanizing predators via contraceptives.

    I am willing to bet you a million dollars that vegans on average care way more about the environment and ecology than your average person.

    Also the example of the guy you are giving is not really fair. You can always find some ultra radical nutjob in every movement. Personally, this is the first time I am hearing about euthanising predators. Most vegans wouldn't support something like this.

    If I find you a case where gay couple adopted and raped a child, will that be a good argument to saying that all gays are pedophiles?

    9 minutes ago, Basman said:

    I never said that veganism is necessarily harmful to society. I'm merely pointing out that it is a flawed premise in execution when taking into account the reality we live in. People are simply not going to agree that animals are equivalent to human being across the board. This is obvious.

    A cool thing about veganism is that its not just a mental masturbation philosophy. You can start act on it, directly, at this very moment, by refusing to consume animal products.

    It is that simple. So I am not sure what you mean by "flawed execution". It is very straightforward in that you can just focus on yourself and do what you consider to be the right thing.

    And then every person can decide for themselves how much activism they want to participate in and what kind.

    You don't need to wait until every person on earth shares your worldview. It's not like vegans are trying to overthrow tge government or something.

    13 minutes ago, Basman said:

    The problem with acts like releasing fur minks is that its hypocritical and makes vegans/animal rights activist look stupid and myopic, only being able to focus on the suffering of individual animals.

    Again, the problem with you using those kinds of examples as a critique of veganism is that those are just random nutcases. 99% of vegans have nothing to do with that kind of activism.

    And also note that in this case sure, those activists would cause some harm and chaos. And it is an irresponsible and not very wise thing to do.

    But when you put it into the perspective of how much harm to individual animals and the environment animal farming causes literally every single day, it just vanishes in comparison.

    17 minutes ago, Basman said:

    And the fact that the animals vegans/animal rights activists care about are almost always cute makes them seem unprincipled and merely emotional.

    This is just blatantly false. Its vegans who advocate for all animals, including humans to have the same basic rights. You've said this yourself.

    Its vegans who care about chickens, and pigs, and goats, and slugs, and insects, etc. No matter how cute or ugly they are.

    And its your regular person that draws a distinction and has no problem with eating a pig, but when they hear about a dog or a dolphin being killed - they become outraged.

     

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    Is there anyone here who does zero waste?

    Are you fully committed to it or are you just trying to minimize your waste as much as you can? If you are fully committed, was it hard to implement?

    I've found that there are quite a few logistical challenges to it. For example the nearest store that sell products by weight, instead of packaging them is all the way across the city from me.

    I am also still not completely sure what you are supposed to do about the garbage bags. My plan is to try to live without them completely and see how it goes.

  23. Posted

    Just now, Michael569 said:

    Good luck explaining veganism to young British lads. A lot of these kids are stage red, they have a lot of maturation to do before they can do anything but laugh at this guys. 

    Its funny, because back when I was living in Ukraine, as a kid, I always had this image of people in the west being super developed and cultured. Kind of like elves in lord of the rings. 

    And then when I grew up and came here, I've realised that people are basically the same.

  25. Posted · Edited by Something Funny

    15 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

    And I don't care about debating. Eventually we'll see the effects of our diets on ourselves, and I'd dare to bet that I'm going to be fairly well off in that regard

    What's going to happen is you are going to age and die like every other human that has ever existed. You might last 10 years longer or shorter but thats about it.

    And, even if being omnivore was somehow healthier than veganism, I still wouldn't be willing to commit to slaughtering thousands of animals over my lifetime to extend my little existance for a little bit.

    That's what you guys don't get. Veganism is not a diet, it's a set of values. It's about pursuing something greater than basic survival and self preservation, even at a cost to yourself. 

    This is what Leo has been talking about since forever. If you want to pursue love, truth, and consciousness, you are going to have to sacrifice your survival agenda to some degree.

    If you only care about personally thriving and living as materially cushy of a life as possible, than your best friends are lying, cheating, manipulation, selfishness, and greed.