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@PurpleTree I was talking about running a household specifically but sure, you are welcome to share your travel strategies as well.

This is just your interpretation of my words. It has nothing to do with what I've said. I didn't say anything about narcissism or selfishness or desires. Just described the way you look at animals. According to you

Its not in the same. There are still some basic standards with which I treat a person no matter whi they are. Like not eating them for dinner. Vegan advocate for extending those standards to animals as well. Because vegans share deep love, empathy, and respect for living beings that most humans don't have. No. You are only presenting part of the picture. The other part of it is that people have morals and empathy that they are guided by. And they consider certain things to be unacceptable and wouldn't want to live in a society that engages in those things. It has nothing to do with power. Nice projection. You actually have zero clue about what my reason for being a vegan are and how I view myself. Sorry, I don't fit into your little couch psychology bubble.

Exactly what I was saying. Normal people treat different animals differently, based on their usefulness,cuteness, cultural conditioning, etc. Vegans say that all animals should be treated equally no matter if they happen to be useful to your survival agenda or not. A vegan would say that animal life is not there to be useful to you and to beexploited by you. It just is, for its own sake. That's the fundamental distinction. You don't give an animal the right to just be. It has to be useful to you. Its all about you and your ego. Me me me. You have no respect and recognition for them as a separate being.

So against 0.1 percent of vegan activism? You mean like all the amazing documentaries, blogs, books, that were made, all the rescue animal shelters, all the peaceful protests and demonstrations? This is just going in circles. "The reason I don't like you is because you are unlikable" What's the actual reason why veganism is so triggering to people. Why so many people have such strong opinions about it, despite the fact that most of them haven't even met a single vegan in their life? Because veganism questions people's worlviews, values, and beliefs. For the same reason people freak out about trans people, or gay people, or immigrants. Just look at all the example that you used before, they are all texbook examples of finding some ragebait edgecase and being met about it. Like those stories about people changing their kids gender and drag queens in schools, etc. Very few people whonare outraged by veganism have actually had a bad experience with a vegan person irl. Even Buck Edwards, when asked about who shamed her about eating animal, had to resort to lying about me doing it, even though I have never done such thing. And she had to post a video if some trolls coming to a vegan demonstration and creating an argument THEMSELVES, but made it vegans fault for "shaming people" It says what I've just said. Its too radical, challenging, and scary for most people. And its not any more groupthink than any other political movement. In fact, vegans on average are more developed. They are SD stage green, compared to most other people who are blue and orange.

1. You are the one who's made the most unspecific claim ever and said that you are going to feel better than A vegan. So I can ask you the same. What vegan? How do we establish who is a good representative of A vegan for you to compare yourself to? And on what basis? How are you planning to back up that claim. 2. At least I named a specific person who I am comparing myself to. Just my intuition. You seem kind of small minded and petty. So I am pretty sure that I can outdo you simply due to the sheer power of my unyielding, fiery spirit!

I agree, but that's not what altruism means? At least not in my understanding. I am willing to bet you a million dollars that vegans on average care way more about the environment and ecology than your average person. Also the example of the guy you are giving is not really fair. You can always find some ultra radical nutjob in every movement. Personally, this is the first time I am hearing about euthanising predators. Most vegans wouldn't support something like this. If I find you a case where gay couple adopted and raped a child, will that be a good argument to saying that all gays are pedophiles? A cool thing about veganism is that its not just a mental masturbation philosophy. You can start act on it, directly, at this very moment, by refusing to consume animal products. It is that simple. So I am not sure what you mean by "flawed execution". It is very straightforward in that you can just focus on yourself and do what you consider to be the right thing. And then every person can decide for themselves how much activism they want to participate in and what kind. You don't need to wait until every person on earth shares your worldview. It's not like vegans are trying to overthrow tge government or something. Again, the problem with you using those kinds of examples as a critique of veganism is that those are just random nutcases. 99% of vegans have nothing to do with that kind of activism. And also note that in this case sure, those activists would cause some harm and chaos. And it is an irresponsible and not very wise thing to do. But when you put it into the perspective of how much harm to individual animals and the environment animal farming causes literally every single day, it just vanishes in comparison. This is just blatantly false. Its vegans who advocate for all animals, including humans to have the same basic rights. You've said this yourself. Its vegans who care about chickens, and pigs, and goats, and slugs, and insects, etc. No matter how cute or ugly they are. And its your regular person that draws a distinction and has no problem with eating a pig, but when they hear about a dog or a dolphin being killed - they become outraged.

In yourself?

I am not sure if I'll feel better or not than AN omnivore, whatever the measurement for that is, but I am pretty sure that I will feel a lot better than you in this lifetime

@AION let me know when you have something of value to share and not this garbage.

I did respond to it. With two comments actually.

If you want to see something funny, look in the mirror

What did you say? I don't see it.

Its funny, because back when I was living in Ukraine, as a kid, I always had this image of people in the west being super developed and cultured. Kind of like elves in lord of the rings. And then when I grew up and came here, I've realised that people are basically the same.

Coping with what? Elaborate

What's going to happen is you are going to age and die like every other human that has ever existed. You might last 10 years longer or shorter but thats about it. And, even if being omnivore was somehow healthier than veganism, I still wouldn't be willing to commit to slaughtering thousands of animals over my lifetime to extend my little existance for a little bit. That's what you guys don't get. Veganism is not a diet, it's a set of values. It's about pursuing something greater than basic survival and self preservation, even at a cost to yourself. This is what Leo has been talking about since forever. If you want to pursue love, truth, and consciousness, you are going to have to sacrifice your survival agenda to some degree. If you only care about personally thriving and living as materially cushy of a life as possible, than your best friends are lying, cheating, manipulation, selfishness, and greed.

Sure, "remember your 5 micronutrients" is a real heavy hitter, lmao.

More misogyny, please.

Also, good job posting clickbait garbage to back up your words. Two can play this game. I can also find a tonn of random crap to post: Just proves my point that most of people here are not capable of having a serious, good faith discussion.

Are you relocating to a cave anytime soon? Living in a house is not natural, otherwise you wouldn't need to put in so much money and resources to maintain it. Most people who use this argument haven't even tried to make it work. In 99% of cases its just a lazy excuse. And even omnivores need to take supplements, like omega 3 and D3, and other stuff depending on your bloodwork, if they want to be serious about health.

Huh? Are you trying to pretend like we are having some kind of serious health discussion here? You wrote your dumb joke about nutrients, I responded in kind with cholesterol. Or do you expect to write your edgy one liners and have people respond to you with a dissertation on health and nutrition?

Don't forget to check your cholesterol and take your heart medicine.

@Quader got it

No, you said that you are botheres by the way people treat plants. How they also have feelings and deserve respect to. Please advise in what way is your treatment of plants (and by extension animals, since you advocate for everyone being treated with equal respect) different from other people's.