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Cold approach Advice.
Cold approach Advice.You should be going out 3-4 nights a week for at least a year, every week, with the goal of doing 1000-5000 approaches.
This is what is realistically takes to get results.
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Approach anxiety
Approach anxietyThen my guess is you’re not hitting it hard enough.
In order for this to work, you have to be fast. You can’t do one and then wait 10 minutes. Ideally less than a minute in between these approaches.
You could easily do 10-20 of these before you do a “real” approach. So unless your numbers look like that, I’d say bump it up.
The key is you’ve got to send a signal to your subconscious that it’s safe for you to be outgoing and approach. Which means you’ve got to be continually leaning into your edge of what seems “scary” at the moment.
If an approach is too scary, you’ll lock up. If it’s not scary enough, you won’t be sending that subconscious signal that it’s safe. So feel into that edge of where it’s uncomfortable, but still do-able.
This is not a problem at all.
At this point, you don’t even want wings who are too experienced. They’ll just shove you in your head and make you more insecure. And they probably won’t to go out with you anyway.
You need guys who are also inexperienced.
This is why I think my friends and I got better at this. We all knew we sucked, which took the pressure off of failure. Instead of posturing about how good we were at pickup, we created an internal culture where mistakes were legitimately encouraged. Our criteria for guys joining our inner circle was not how experienced they were but if they were doing the approaches. Learning was our top priority.
Later on you can be more picky about wings. There’s a time when that’s appropriate. But for now, as long as they approach and they’re not a psychopath, that’s good enough.
As far as your comment on night game, I wouldn’t give up on it. What night game really does is generate more extreme responses than day game. So you’ll have more girls who will blow you out hard, but you’ll also have girls who looking to party and open to moving things fast.
Your quickest results will usually come by doing night game. There’s also a lot more girls and social grace to fuck up because “partying”.
I would not be running up to girls. That is kind of a bad look and it’s also just unnecessary 99% of the time.
The vast majority of time, you should be approaching before it gets to that point.
However, it sounds like even if you didn’t have to run up to those girls, you still wouldn’t have done the approach. You’re still trying to go from 0 to 100 in no time. It doesn’t usually work.
If you were very experienced then maybe you could get away with that. But as a newbie that’s just shooting yourself in the foot.
Now if you had spent the last 15-30 minutes warming up like I described above, then that could have been doable.
That’s all good.
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Leo, why do the girls I approach in the club take their friend and leave?.
Leo, why do the girls I approach in the club take their friend and leave?.Firstly, it tends to improve simply from going out a lot and talking to girls a lot.
Secondly, through building state by approaching all night long.
Thirdly, by having fun wings to shit-talk with between sets.
Fourthly, by soaking in the club music and atmosphere. Dancing, etc.
Fifthly, by brainstorming funny and emotional things to talk about when you're at home.
Sixthly, by listening to in-field of night game where the guy is being self-amusing. Analyze how he is being emotional rather than logic. This is key.
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Leo, why do the girls I approach in the club take their friend and leave?.
Leo, why do the girls I approach in the club take their friend and leave?.Of course friends will cockblock you A LOT.
You can especially trigger the cockblock by opening physical. If you want the highest chance of success you should learn very solid verbal skills and open less directly, and then also befriend her friends to disarm them.
If you just go in hitting hard on a girl in a group, her friend's will usually get alarmed and go into defense mode.
In a sense, the most effective game is so subtle and indirect that it slips under the radar, so it looks like just friendly socialization to on-lookers. But it still has that sexual intent behind it between you and her. This kind of game is really challenging to learn in my experience. It takes serious skill.
The more you physically escalate in front of all her friends, the more defensive they will usually become. This is the biggest downside of physical game. But of course you can still get away with it in many cases. I have opened girls right in the middle of all her friends and starting grabbing her tits and making out with her within minutes in front of all her friends. It's not the best way to go, but it can certainly work. Sometimes the friends will actually want you to get with her. Some friends are very cool. But some friends will fight you. So watch out.
It might also be your vibe. If you have a creepy, awkward vibe then girls will sense it and flee.
You have to be smiling a lot, having fun, and adding value to the set. If you enter a set trying to leech value from them, they will not like it and blow you out.
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How to approach when *You don't have your sh*t together*
How to approach when *You don't have your sh*t together*It doesn't matter. When you talk to girls just have fun. They don't care about your personal problems.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillHaha, no one gets laid for his intelligence.
If that were the case, I would have a line of girls queued up outside my house.
Getting laid is more about being stupid than it is about being intelligent. The more stupid you act, the more likely you are to get laid. Girls are attracted to pure stupidity. Sorry, but that's the cold hard reality of it.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with Blackpill"PUA tactics" are not based in language.
My PUA friend would pickup foreign girls in Vegas using Google translate on his phone.
A guy who knows what he's doing can pickup a girl without talking at all. Try it sometimes. Go out and pretend like you lost your voice and try to sleep with a girl without saying a single word. You might be shocked at how effective it is.
The words said in pickup hardly matter at all other than for handling logistics.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillIn practice none of these timeframes are an issue.
All a guy has to do is build enough attraction and rapport, and lead, and majority of girls will have sex within 2-3 dates.
It's not about time, it's about the chemistry that is built. If you suck at building chemistry it might take you a month. If you're good at it, it will take you 4 hours.
No girl is sitting around counting the hours. All she's going on is emotions and chemistry. So whenever you get that right, you got her. And if you never get it right, you will never get her no matter how nice you are to her or how long you take.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillPathetic
If a guy needs a year to woo a girl he's less attractive then a homeless hunchback.
1-2 weeks of wooing max, and that's assuming a bunch of logistical obstacles.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillThat is true for low value guys who got no game.
The whole purpose of game is to make one so attractive as to condense that typical few months time-frame down to 4 hours.
It sounds crazy, but it's possible to do. If you think about it, there is no good reason why it should take a few months to build a deep rapport with a stranger. It only takes that long when people are doing it lazily, unconsciously, by accident. But if you take conscious control over the process, it can happen much faster.
From a guy's POV, waiting a month to sleep with a girl is just a giant waste of time and energy. As a guy we can figure out whether we want to sleep with a girl within 5 minutes. The rest is just cat and mouse games.
Even though it's called "game", ironically it is women who play the most games. A guy is very clear about what he wants. So the guy's "game" is just a reflection of the game that women force him to play to get what he clearly knows he wants. Because if a guy does not play along with your games, you will reject him.
Things would be much easier and simpler if we could just approach and say, "Hey, I like you. I think we should fuck." But this doesn't work. It's too truthful. Hence the game. Okay, game on.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillYou start by learning attraction theory, then by going out a few times per week. Or take a boot camp. Find experienced wings. I had a lot of good wings.
Of course it takes months and years to develop that kind of laser intent and ability to lead/close. Real life game will bitch slap you so hard it will force you to shape up.
Learning game requires 110% passion and commitment. You gotta be going out rain or shine, and learning ever day like there's a gun to your child's head. Embrace the intensity.
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Struggling with Blackpill
Struggling with BlackpillActually you can't.
The most I ever approached in 1 month is around 800. And that was in Vegas during the summer where I was clubbing every night, 5 hours per night for a month straight with zero days off.
5000 approaches will take most guys 3-5 years at least. It's not just about quantity, it's about quality and quantity. Quantity alone won't cut it.
Obviously approaches must be made obeying all the core principles of attraction theory. Not only must you flirt, you must have the literal intent to bring her home for sex that very day! You talk to her for 5 mins and if she is cool you are ready to go fuck as long as she goes along.
You must lead, lead, lead, and close. None of this let's be friend bullshit. Burn sets to the ground. Make her reject you.
Your approaches can't just be quantity, they must be QUALITY!
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To All Struggling Males: Stop Playing Victim!
To All Struggling Males: Stop Playing Victim!I see a chronic problem on this sub-forum, which is young males who complain about lack of success with women and failing to take responsibility for their situation.
The #1 rule of all growth and personal development is taking 100% responsibility for your situation. I know how hard that can be when you're struggling with women/sex. It feels very much like life is treating you unfairly and that it's the women's fault. Let me tell you right now: this is a total ILLUSION! It's not the women. It's not society. It's not post-modernists. It's not the Marxists. It's not the feminists. It's YOU!
This is not me blaming you. This is simply how all personal development works. Whatever problem you have in life you must begin by getting honest with yourself how you created it. Sometimes this is difficult to accept. It's much easier to blame someone else, or even blame yourself (for being too ugly or too short or too introverted). I am not suggesting you blame yourself. Rather, take ownership of the fact that you are the creator of your life. Whatever is missing in your life, you can correct, but only if you stop blaming yourself and others.
Be very mindful of how your ego-mind creates narratives which justify your sense of lack, brokenness, or inability to attract women. All of these narratives, justification, rationalizations, logic, "facts", scientific studies, proofs, etc are sneakily fabricated by your own mind! Your own mind is the enemy! Watch it like a hawk. Your mind will try to come up with reasons and excuses for why your life is unfair and how success with women is impossible. This is all horseshit! Do not believe your own mind here. Your mind is clouded by fear, insecurity, and neediness. That is totally normal and understandable, but you cannot resolve your problems from such a place. From such a place your problems will get worse as you start to blame the world and solidify your victim worldview with cherry-picked evidence, "science", and "logic". Be extra suspicious of "logic" and "science" here. There is nothing logical or scientific about your victim attitude or lack of success with women. It's purely about meeting the survival needs of your ego. Sex is a very powerful survival need which will drive your mind towards all manner of mental gymnastics to ensure that you get it, or at least feel better for not getting it.
There's good news and bad news. The good news is: Your looks are NOT the problem! The bad news is: your personality, attitude, and mindset are terrible! The good news is, it's possible to change that. The bad news is, it won't be easy and you will resist it like the devil that you are.
So what's the solution? Take ownership of your problem and commit to resolving it. For this you need faith and confidence in your ability to self-actualize. You must have enough hope and vision to see yourself get much better with attracting women. This is NOT a pipe dream or fuzzy thinking. The reality is that any man can become 100x better at attracting women if he really takes ownership of the matter. Yes, it takes serious work. But it's also highly worth it. Imagine that within 3 years you're able to attract pretty women and feel confident about yourself when it comes to dating. Isn't that worth the effort? It sure is. This is not a fantasy. I've done it, many men have done it, and so can you! Your looks are NOT the bottleneck, your mindset is.
So what do you do after you've established this vision? You must do lots of research to educate yourself about how dating actually work (not how you think it works). Find videos, find books, buy online courses, hire a coach, take a bootcamp, take a workshop, etc. There are literally hundreds of excellent resources available online these days. Most of them are legit, not scams. Study them hard and then get into the field. Start talking to women. Start approaching women. Start flirting with women. Start being much more social.
If you struggle attracting women I can tell you right now what your top problems are. It's not lack of money, looks, muscles, car, height, or dick size. Remember, attraction and dating is EXTREMELY counter-intuitive. It's works exactly the opposite of how you initially think.
Your top problems are:
You live in your mancave and never go out! You must go out into social spaces where real women hang out. You spend WAY too much time online, indoors You spend WAY too much time on Youtube, Netflix, and playing video games You work too much You are never around cute single women You never start conversations with strangers You have terrible body language due to lack of experience You are not comfortable doing small-talk and being emotional and random in conversations You are far too logical You approach zero women on a regular basis You are terrified of approaching a women who you find attractive, talking yourself out of every approach You have terrible eye contact, you don't smile, and you don't project your voice properly You are crippled by fear and tongue-tied You are unable to start and sustain an interesting conversation with a human being You are disconnected from your body, your heart, your feelings, your emotions You have terrible self-image issues. You hate yourself, you hate how you look, you judge yourself way too harshly. You judge yourself just as harshly as you judge women. You have a bad sense of dress style and you don't groom yourself well You have no experience with physically touching women in a non-creepy way. You don't know how to rapidly physically escalate on a women without creeping her out. You don't know how women think or what they truly value in a man You don't know how to flirt and be authentic You are trying to be masculine in all the wrong ways -- fake masculinity You are needy, needy, needy You are terribly inexperienced You have no sense of passion or purpose in life, which robs you of confidence and masculine vitality Your attitude sucks: you whine, complain, bitch, moan, blame, and are so negative You think you understand life, reality, and how attraction works -- you don't! So work on fixing all of that before you go blaming women. All of the above can be deliberately worked on and fixed.
You need to learn how to be a real man. Being a real man has nothing to do with big muscles, big dick, or a fast car. A real man is grounded on the INSIDE. It's ALL about inner game! You need to cultivate that confidence. It doesn't come naturally. You must build it!
80% of getting good with women is just actually being much more social. You need to deliberately re-structure your life so that you're automatically being more social. So that you're going out every weekend. So that you're bumping into new people constantly. So that you're making new friends all the time. This kind of re-structuring is very doable. You just have to be willing to change your lifestyle.
And stop watching or listening to any of the following:
Jordan Peterson, MGTOW, RedPill, Incel material/forums/reddit All of that is cancer of the mind. It's reinforcing your victim mindset and robbing you of your ability to change yourself.
I've been where you are. I know it's tough. But hang in there, hold your vision, have hope, get to work, and things will dramatically improve for you. You will become a new person by the end of this journey and you will be so proud of yourself. You will become a real man, not some whiny JP fanboy.
The #1 thing a real man does is take 100% responsibility for all his problems. A real man NEVER blames anyone, and certainly not women or feminism. A real man is a feminist. A real man fearlessly works on himself.
So start right there! Start by fixing that.
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Isn't Pickup Unconscious?
Isn't Pickup Unconscious?There are many factors that go into being "high value". You don't need to check every box to get a girl. But the more boxes you check the higher value girl you'll be able to attract and keep.
Edgy means saying and acting is slightly outrageous ways. Edginess spikes the woman's emotions and makes her feel alive and adventurous. An edgy guy keeps the woman's emotions stimulated by saying and doing bold and unusual things. This is what creates that classic "bad boy" vibe.
It is not necessary to get a girl. But it can be highly attractive, especially to very hot, very feminine girls.
Nothing in game is ever necessary. You can get a girl by being a total fool just through pure luck. But game is all about maximizing your value and odds.
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Isn't Pickup Unconscious?
Isn't Pickup Unconscious?What you have to understand is that that is your agenda based on your needs as a woman.
Guys have a different agenda.
It's just that simple.
You must also consider that for guys to attract girls, the guy has to take the lead and do the work. It doesn't happen passively for guys as it does for many girls. If the guy doesn't go out and hunt, he starves.
Hunting is not predatory in some evil sense here. The guy could be hunting for his dream girlfriend/wife. In fact, that's what most guys probably want. But to get her, they must first learn how to hunt in general. You can't just land your dream girl with one attempt. It takes a lot of work and practice. Hunting is not mutually exclusive to romance and love.
Dating can be done unconsciously or consciously, and many shades in between.
And don't forget, just because a guy doesn't get into pickup does not mean he don't abuse or manipulate women. He certainly will as he will be even more desperate and lacking the hunting skills. A starving limping wolf is more dangerous than a strong well-fed wolf.
Also, pickup is not merely about hunting girls. It's most about transforming oneself into a better man in order to attract and keep higher quality girls. In the end the guy will discover that tricking girls doesn't work, so the guy is forced to grow himself to get the best girls.
None of this makes much sense from the girl's perspective because you are not tasked with the burden of approaching. You should be thankful that you don't have to carry that burden because it's quite heavy.
Do some guys abuse it? Of course!
See, the thing is, women LOVE a strong guy. But they don't love the process which a guy must go through to become strong. Women only want the end-result of the work. Women expect that strength to be effortless, natural, and free, without any work. They don't want to know how the sausage is made.
Also, you should realize that what you call "real love" isn't real love. It is selfishness and survival. Women do not love men unconditionally. You are attracted to strong men who fit your survival needs. You are attracted to weak, needy, humorless men.
Men will love women unconditionally the same day that women love men unconditionally. Which is never. All romantic activities are highly conditional, biased, and selfish.
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How do I come off as non-needy?
How do I come off as non-needy?Of course normal dating will yield more relationships. But also normal dating is very low volume. You get a date once in a blue moon.
If you want to do normie dating, go ahead. But you will be in such scarcity, so needy, and the quality of girls you get will be meh, and when your girl breaks up with you, you will want to kill yourself because you know you will not get a new one for years.
It also depends on how social you are. If you're highly social without doing pickup, then you will naturally have decent dating opportunities. But most guys are not that social so they are screwed.
You have to decide how much abundance you want in your life. Most guys sleep with less than 10 girls in their entire life and the quality is meh. You also have to decide how high of quality of girl you want. If your standards are very low then you can be much more lazy about this whole thing.
It's also a question of how good do you want to be with girls? How much do you want to grow yourself as a man? Normal dating doesn't really grow you because it's too infrequent and random.
Your neediness for a girl's love will turn off most girls and make them run away from you towards a guy who doesn't give a shit. So even those few girls you manage to date once in a blue moon, they will likely lose attraction for you and break your heart because you're going to be the biggest classic "nice guy".
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Is beauty really a matter of perception?
Is beauty really a matter of perception?Of course it's your job to make them intimate/sexual.
It's not just about "making a move". You must set the entire frame of your interaction with her to be intimate/sexual from the very beginning of meeting her. And then you build on it at every chance you get.
You should be looking at her like you're in love with her. Build a bubble of love between you and her. It's you and her against the world.
Yes, you're failing to lead, which in itself is unattractive in a man.
Don't wait for anything or any indicators.
If a girl shows up to a date with you, she's willing to sleep with you, as long as you lead it properly.
Yes, you need a lot of escalation experience. Force yourself to escalate quickly and stop doubting yourself. You need to get in touch with your desire for her, and then just act on that desire and take her. Stop hesitating. If her ass turns you on, start squeezing it. If you feel like kissing her, kiss her. Etc. Treat her like your doll. And watch her face and reactions as you escalate to see if it is turning her off. If it's not turning her off, keep escalating. If you over-escalate just back off a bit and start escalating again in a few minutes.
A girl is not going to let you escalate like that unless she likes you.
Fundamentally your mistake is that you are not being true to your desire for her. If you were, you would manhandle her appropriately and this in turn would turn her on. She wants you to claim her as your own. But you are too scared because you're still too weak as a man. So you gotta become a stronger man -- which means you act and lead without a bunch of self-doubt. You've become pussified the way you were raised, so you doubt yourself way too much with women.
For you, you should escalate and even risk getting slapped. Get slapped a few times for over-escalating. This will be good for you. It's better to over-escalate than under-escalate on a date. On a date you should be pulling her panties down. See how much you can get away with.
If you are not occasionally over-escalating, you're being too meek.
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Is beauty really a matter of perception?
Is beauty really a matter of perception?What females are attracted do is not arbitrary, they are attracted to specific things.
Beauty is not what females are attracted to. The problem is that you fundamentally misunderstand female attraction and what women need from men.
Also, more practically, the reason girls haven't yet found you attractive yet is because:
1) You haven't talked to enough girls.
2) You are not good at exhibiting masculine energy, strength, and value which girls are looking for.
3) You are waiting for a girl give you strong indicators of interest and lead you into sex, which will almost never happen. You haven't learned how to approach girls and how to lead them into attraction sex. You are the man, it's your job to convince a girl to sleep with you even if she gives you no indicators of interest from the start.
4) Girls may find you attractive but if you don't lead they'll never even tell you.
You need to learn how attraction works and you need to become proactive about attracting women. You don't wait for them to like you. It shouldn't even matter to you if they like you. You approach the ones you like and you do your thing. Some will hook. Most will not. It's like fishing. You don't sit around wondering if a fish likes you. You just cast your bait over and over again until something hooks. And you make the bait as juicy as possible.
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Why does Leo advise to fornicate with 20 females?
Why does Leo advise to fornicate with 20 females?I have no problem with sticking with one partner. But first you gotta find the right partner.
You are not just gonna sleep with one girl and find your partner.
Enlightenment has nothing to do with who you sleep with.
And learning game is not about getting one girl, it's about becoming a strong and attractive man. This requires experience and practice. If you sleep with 20 girls you will become a stronger man in the process. If you settle down with the first girl you sleep with, you're gonna stay a pussy forever. And eventually she'll leave you anyways.
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Is beauty really a matter of perception?
Is beauty really a matter of perception?1) Stop listening to women on this matter. They are not conscious of what makes them attracted nor will they give you accurate guidance on what is required to attract them. It's like you are asking an enemy castle to tell you its weak points.
2) Once they fall for you, women backwards rationalize that you are handsome and hot.
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First girl I pulled making me consider relationship
First girl I pulled making me consider relationshipThat's the devil of pickup.
There is a tradeoff between growing with relationships vs growing your game.
If you seriously want to build your game you have to say no to relationships for at least a few years. But then again, if you find an awesome girl, it may be worth it to do a relationship.
I am not telling you what to do. The choice is yours. But the combo of a really well-matched and pretty girl is rare, so don't throw that away when you stumble upon it.
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How do I come off as non-needy?
How do I come off as non-needy?@integration journey You're just going to be needy until you get laid a lot.
The best solution in the meantime is to be talking to lots of girls, so you don't get clingy with any one.
The real solution to neediness is getting results.
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How To Find Wingmen
How To Find WingmenI know some of you guys here are struggling to learn game and struggling to find wingmen.
Here's a resource that lists Telegram groups for wingmen in every city in the world:
https://www.gameglobal.net/groups/
Scroll down the list to find your city.
Learning game solo as a newbie is nearly impossible, so make sure you make use of wings. Just be careful when selecting your wingman that you don't use him as a crutch to avoid approaching girls. Bad wings can be distractions more than help. Your wingman must be committed to going out consistently and approaching, not just standing around talking shit.
And once you get comfortable with wingmen, start going out solo a bit too, until eventually you can solo any venue.
This resource is to be used responsibly to help you learn game. Do not abuse your new-gained powers for unethical or devilish dating activity. Reduce harm and manipulation as much as possible. Be ware that most of your wings will be deeply stuck in stage Orange and that mindset will rub off on you. This isn't exactly high-consciousness stuff, but it's better than being an Incel.
If you are starved for sex and feeling depressed and lonely about it, start learning game and going out consistently. Do not be inactive as the problem will not magically solve itself.
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Leo Gura PUA
Leo Gura PUAFirst of all, you are far more needy than even you admit. Not just with online dates but offline dates too. When the opportunity for good sex presents itself, your mind will start craving it and clinging to it.
Why are you so overthinking this? All you gotta know is: Do you want to have sex with that person? If yes, set up the fucking date and be interested in it, yet detached and non-needy.
How do you become non-needy? By going on dozens of dates with dozens of people until it starts to feel normal.
It also helps to have a decent amount of sex (with one person or many) so that you get your sexual hunger satisfied, at least somewhat. Most men are like starved dogs who haven't eaten in a month. Of course you will be needy for food in that situation.
Look, the reality is, if you're just starting PUA you will be very needy for the first year or two. That's par for the course. Struggle through it and do the best you can. Try to contain your neediness when possible. As you see how your neediness turns off and loses you many hot girls, the pain of those losses will teach you to surrender your neediness more and more.
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Night Game - What are good openers?
Night Game - What are good openers?Well, I have struggled with chronic fatigue a lot. Yeah, it definitely will hold back your game, but not just your game, your whole life.
If I didn't have chronic fatigue I would get laid WAY more. I would also earn millions more. Tough shit. Life requires energy.