WELCOME TO CONTEMPLATION SERVER! <3
The thread is not meant to be about me, but I'll share a story of why I made this thread in the first place to make some sense to it.
My whole life purpose IS to gather as expansive intellectual knowledge of different aspects of reality and human life as possible. That being said the scope here is massive and I really want unique content that you've REALLY thought for yourself. I need more inspiration, because I have already thought of so many different things and I've reached some type of wall for 10th time or something in my life. Also as an another motivator for starting this communication between Actualized.org members is because it seems that the content here lately hasn't been evolving and I see higher potentiality for us.
So to the point.
We're basically trying to make team contemplation here. There's 2 type of ways to engage with the thread.
1. Contemplate something new for 30min - 1 hour or whatever you need to write something unique.

a) Take out paper and pen.
b) Make correct mood for contemplation with being alone and maybe by listening to some relaxing playlist.
c) If you have and want you could take a little amount of psychedelics to get thoughts flying and creativity to shine.
d) Write a word or thought on paper that you want to contemplate and set a timer and sit for the whole time.
e) Post DEM results here.

2. Analyze someone's contemplation and push it further with new points and use the same method as in step (1.)

Aim to surprise me and other actualizers and try to make every post pure, valuable and deep.

Here is an example of a type of post I am looking for. (It's my own contemplation that I've done in the past)
How to think Part 1
- If there is perspective outside of yours then you're wrong
- Try to find how you're wrong to get thinking process to start
- Define different words and write essays of them
- Have hard discussions with people that stimulates your mind
- Combine differnet worldviews
- Understand that there's always some intension and that shapes thinking radically
- Argue everything for yourself and don't take information blindly in
- Learn to think in structures
- Make thinking your hobby so it doesn't feel like work
- You'll face lot of things that sound absurd, but learn that ABSURD =/= WRONG
- Watch out for conflicts in your logic
- Upgrade your patience so you can sit long enough front of a topic to find juicy perspectives to it
- Thinking is like scanning your mind and topics to find irrationality to fix
- Fuels of thinking are curiosity, information and want to grow as a person
- In order to really upgrade thinking one has to be ready to change themself
- Make it as enjoyable as possible to really have motivation to do it
- Stop judging other perspectives, because it blocks you from integrating it to be part of larger worldview of yours.
I hope this will not be a problem in this thread, but if there's extremely low quality of a post that doesn't add anything or somehow I don't like I'll ask a moderator to delete it, because as I said already, I am aiming to build something SPECTACULARLY MAGNIFICENT and I want it to go to direction that I saw in my vision.

With love your friend <3
-joNi-

Contemplation creates openness, the space to wonder and to question.

This is why I keep telling people to stop trying to avoid pain, and emotional discomfort. Not too be mean....but all this fear...is ego. 
1. You cannot desire to be nothing, everything, and then hope to go back to how things were before.
2. You cannot avoid emotional discomfort, when you do these substances they raise awareness and the judging part of you comes to the surface. You become MORE AWARE of your ego. Your ego is the part of you that judges, and emotes....so all emotional discomfort is due to the ego being messed with since it is the part of you that tries to retain HOMEOSTASIS, its the part that allows your reality to feel STABLE. So taking these substances messes with the comfort you feel of feeling like YOU, which is just the normal experience of this baseline. 
Notice you said you are afraid of damaging your brain...your brain....is imaginary. So notice you are worried about shedding the normal perceptual reality you have...but also...you want to experience something drastically different? You have a fear of going insane....what is insanity? Living from a perceptual reality that is DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.
Notice everything you have shared with us....was attempts to do this work....and remain COMFORTABLE. If you seriously want to go deeper in this work....you have to drop this. Here is a WARNING....insanity...is the inability to accept what is. What would happen....if you woke up and your entire perceptual experience changed drastically, and you couldn't accept it? You would freak out!!
Now notice...is the perceptual experience what is insane? Or is it the refusal to accept it and the underlying terror and the expression of that terror what we call insanity? What you don't realize....is if you keep going down this rabbit hole you CAN and WILL ABSOLUTELY CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION. What you don't even realize... is these come downs yall keep referring to....isn't the drug...its the body. Your body is capable of doing what these chemicals do as these chemicals are only catalysts. I learned this when I tripped for an ENTIRE MONTH and had to CONSCIOUSLY come down through an intention to go back to normal.
I learned through that experience....that the only thing that holds you back...is your concept of NORMAL. Your ego has an individualized definition of what is normal, and ANY deviation from that definition which is an INTUITIVE definition, a FELT definition will conjure up FEAR. So you got to ask yourself....how much do you want to FUCK UP YOUR LIFE, because you are going to do that if you continue. Why? Because prolonged use of these substances CHANGES YOUR D.N.A.
These changes WILL change permanently your experience of reality. Maybe you are able to hear better, smell better, maybe you feel emotions more intensely, maybe your depth perception changes, maybe you become permanently aware that everything is YOU. Are you prepared for this? If not? QUIT this work and go back to living as a regular human being. Because this work....ABSOLUTELY will include UPS AND DOWNS, and deep emotional pain because it is INNER WORK. I say this with deep compassion but your ego is not going to win this battle of trying to erect a wall of comfort if you continue. It WILL LOSE THIS BATTLE. Some people who do psychedelics.....go insane....and NEVER RECOVER. Why? Because they are too selfish to get their reality fucked with!!! If you are too attached to your life...then don't mess with this stuff. 

Can You Fall In Love With Those You Once Despised? If you can authentically fall in love with your enemies, your detractors, when you truly understand where they are coming from is when you are making true progress. If your life were to end with you holding the same opinion of denial of those who you disagree with, your life is a life not fully lived. 
Everyday pick someone you disagree with and seek to understand their perspective. If you can accomplish this, you will grow in knowledge and understanding. Always remember....all bias= stupidity. It's needed to hold an individual perspective, but it can become a prison. Ever wonder when you watch a movie sometimes why the main character acts stupid from your perspective when the author of the story makes you privy to information that the main character doesn't have?
As a kid I would get mad when the main character has a love interest but believes she doesn't like him, and acts in ways that stops him from getting what he wants. But notice he has a bias, a belief that she doesn't love him and thus even though its not true that is the lens that he views reality from and cannot get what he desires which is to connect with her. 
Understand that when you hold biases, your life is operating exactly the same. All bias distorts the reality of what is true. So learning to love those who mistreat you actually makes you see life clearer. It's sad that I'm cheating and giving you practical reasons to be more loving....but Love is practical, its pragmatic, its TRUE PRAGMATISM.

first and two video share similar perspective
 
third video has different perspective on coral that coral is another advanced intuitive thinker that deals with chaos x chaos, deconstructing "brutally" pathetic part of organisation and emerging it with others, Democracy as a structure becomes meaningless on higher state of consciousness, because, somehow, people are acting based on their fear and ego, which makes it easier to manipulate
Leto atreides 2 God-Emperor, darth vader, rocksfeller, putin's nuanced malicious attack on Ukraine and jeopardising
while turquoise is about harmony within chaos.

so, as a yellow centered metamodern system thinker dreaming and digging informations about coral stage from several years, I came into conclusion that it is about solipsism, hellish unstable state of consciousness, process of cleansing the mind, also peak state of 5meodmt/malt
 
after 5meodmt/malt, yellow centered person remains relatively on turquoise, but while on 5meodmt/malt, on my subjective experience often there is destabilisation of mind, dualistic conflict between absolute Love and Knowledge/understanding (this should be coral)
 
after trip, yellow centered person increases intution and love about 1 day still maintaining ego, which makes it construct-aware turquoise.
 
Integrated AI: Endgame (slow pace, Spiral Dynamics, evolution) 
Dr Alan D. Thompson
 
this screenshot below shows how each stage sees AI, yellow has a systemic perspective about AI, and turquoise also increases it's complexity further, then in coral, complexity drops, Love pushes in and cleanses all logic. this would be same as well, in middle of 5meodmt, it forces me to shut up and surrender to love, love, and I resist it cause I like these knowledges.

@OBElerWell, I know that they would because of how extraordinary they are. You should know what they are by now and I won't be getting into that here.
I have a younger friend of mine who doesn't want to show his parents the website that has the life purpose because of the blog that disagrees with their religious views on God, their political views, etc. He showed me a-work-around and wants to be listened to by me because he doesn't feel that way from anyone else and he said that he had to download a torrent file of the life purpose course because of his concern. He also stole his parents credit card to buy the booklist because he thought that the topics would go against his parent's beliefs. He was thinking about joining the forum because of these issues but I have to ask you this important question:
Would this friend of mine be banned for doing these things if he were to be on the forum and if so, should I tell him that he shouldn't join the forum? I'll leave as anonymous and he can always make up a name on the forum anyways.
I find these problems very relatable to me that relates to your question except I didn't do the things he did. Although what he did was illegal, I don't really think it's his fault, something has to be done. Was it actually wrong for him to do these things? I found out about stealing his parents credit card because he was talking buying Leo's future course on Awakening and telling me what Leo would say because he knew that I was open to it which caused him to get in trouble for what he did because his parents read his text messages. I told him that I cannot get a job in Russia without a college degree and that I rely on my parents moneyhttps://poe.com/s/uYMqxbVs6v0GFL8S81TV. They said that it's a VISA situation that they cannot control otherwise I wouldn't have to leave the country every six months. What advice would you give him? 
 

Developing a Mature Mind
Developing a mature mind and relationship to reality is essential to living a good life. In fact, I have learned that the ability for us to be successful is directly correlated with how mature our mind is.
Essentially, if from birth you magically had the maturity of someone with massive life experience... someone who self reflected, learned, self actualized you would easily ace life. But, because we are born in ignorance we have to go through the trials and tribulations of developing wisdom. In my case, this has been the trial of developing wisdom through massive failure. I have tried, and failed so many times in my life. But, at the same time I think one think I had that was special is that I have tried a lot of things in life and do my best to expose myself to lots of different information and experiences. I think to the degree that I am wise is because of all these experiences and my open minded approach to learning. However, I do not consider myself wise to the depths and completion that I hope to one day be. In many ways I am foolish.
I think it's important to discuss that there are key areas that make up our lives. They are:
Relationships Finances Career/Business Hobbies Spirituality Health and Fitness Education Each of these areas requires foundation levels of study, and direct experience to begin developing wisdom in them. It can take years to develop wisdom in these areas. I think it's important that if you are reading this, and you are interested in becoming wise that you make the commitment today that you will develop a mature, wise understanding and relationship to these areas of human life. 
Some examples:
1. A wise person in relationships understands enough about human relationships both theoretically and experientially that they are able to go about building relationships in a healthy conscious way. They know when to let people into their lives and when to have healthy boundaries. They are wise in the way of relationships and cultivate healthy relationships in their lives.
2. A person who is wise in finances knows the difference between foolish financial practice and wise financial practice. The wise person saves money, invests, builds wealth and uses money to free themselves from meaningless work, or better yet wage slavery. The wise person realizes the importances of studying healthy financial habits, wealth creation and investing.  A wise person is also aware of how scams work and can easily spot and avoid them. 
3. A wise person in the area of business is realistic about the amount of work that is required with building a business. They know that building a business is challenging, takes time, takes money, has risks, and requires a lot of emotional labour for it to become a reality. They go about business is a way that is thinking, 5, 10, 15 years down the road. Generally a wise person is thinking long term. 
4. A wise person realizes the importance of developing hobbies as they add to the enjoyment of life. They also realize what types of things are better off a hobby, than what is better pursued as a career.
5. The wise person goes about spirituality in a slow, deliberate manner. They know when it's the right or wrong time to pursue spirituality. For example, if you are young then spirituality needs to be done in the context that you also have many other goals, pursuits and karma to burn through. They are careful with psychedelics, and do all things in moderation. They are wise to avoid cults, religions, and ideologies. They root their spirituality in wisdom, and balanced, healthy epistemology. 
6. The wise person realizes the importance of proper nutrition and exercise and invests in that from a young age. They realize that if they want to be able to afford healthy foods, gym memberships etc then they must find a way to earn enough to make that a reality. They only eat junk food in moderation if at all. They use food and fitness to elevate their happiness. 
7.  A wise person realizes that their education, intelligence and understanding of reality that is embodied is the deciding factor on their happiness and ability to enjoy life.
I personally think I am in the early phases of understanding what Wisdom is, and implementing the principles of wise living in my life. I have a lot to learn, and many challenges to overcome that I created simply due to being unwise with many of the above categories. Wisdom, is really the key to all human problems. Wisdom grounded in a deeply profound self love. 
I have a lot of work to do. I need more discipline. I need more planning. I need more long term thinking. I need more experience. I need more money. I need more success. I need more relationships. So much to work on. 
A wise person, I think.. see life as a game. They know it's a passing dream. But, they realize they want to honour it and enjoy the time they have here on earth despite so many challenges that humans face... or create for themselves simply due to their own foolishness or the foolishness of others.
Become Wise.
 
 

The evidence is simply too overwhemling. The bigger conspiracy is that everyone who reports UFOs is a liar.

There have literally been 10s of thousands of credible eye-witness reports of UFOs over the last 80 years. To dismiss all of them is beyond delusional.
The US gov has had alien spacecraft and alien bodies since at least 1947.

Any advanced editor features like quoting, images, lots of formatting, tags etc. just don't work very well on a phone
Though I do visit on my phone a fair bit anyway.

Life is the hard part . Death is freedom. It's when you finally let go of this human suit and  become free. And rest in peace hopefully forever
but God likes to keep dreaming .

And so we distract ourselves until we die..
Make money, get women, make a legacy, become rich, we are chasing things in a dream of our own making. But mere distractions they are these pleasures, trials and tribulations. As all faded away into nothing. We cling with all our might to our self, then it is demolished and destroyed. Was it ever real to begin with? Or a dream for fools to be reeled in distracted and ultimately perish? What does an existence of impermanence mean, with an afterlife uncertain? A humanity abandoned to become god or a spirit, only to incarnate again, forgetting the past, to play a new game, somewhere, sometime again.

@Ayham Your mind can only work for you when you start figuring out things on your own,at this point you dont trust yourself to find a way to stop procastinating ,so your mind is like oh well, he doesnt care about his own methods his own thinking why should i then and follows it by self sabotage you with distractions..
You created the mind that self sabotage itself it thinks its doing you a favour... 
You actually want to distract yourself...

If I was to give top 5 at no particular order of priority 
Figuring out how to eliminate distractions and being able to dedicate a few intense focus slots per day even if you feel bored and unmotivated - especially when you feel bored and unmotivated.  Daily reading - books, research, blogs, articles  - in your particular area of interest  Learning to be okay with never-ending uncertainty (my greatest struggle)  Being at your absolute peak fitness level - the fitter you are the more energy you have and the sharper your mind & memory is.  Not expecting anyone to gratify or glorify you for what you do especially when you feel needy for approval. LP is a lonely game I'm working through all of those myself but this would probably be my top 5. The tips and tricks you can learn from Leo and people like Cal Newport by watching & reading their material. 
 

These are the kinds of questions that will lead you to enlightenment. Keep asking. The answers will reveal themselves to you.  Evidence of God is all around you. Miracles happening are all around you. Gods will is not your egoic will so God does not see working the ass off to accomplish material things a goal. God is just experiencing itself as Infinity and every part of Reality is also God. When you realize that nothing in life will ever permanently satisfy you, you will start to go within and return home to Source where you truly reside and where fulfillment is your natural state of being. No one would ever awaken if life was always comfortable with no challenges. Most people are comfortable in their misery and pain and have come to accept it as LIFE. Thats why this awakening thing is so rare. Few existential questions are being asked. I asked questions, the right kind of questions, and they are slowly being answered. By me. Letting go of the self is a start. Surrendering to life and realizing there's something big at play here is also essential for your realization. Move your hand up and down. Thats evidence of God. God's energy flowing through you. Leave the vacuum on the floor and it does nothing. Plug it in and now its potential begins to actualize then you move it and it does its job. Your body the same thing. Its plugged into God's energy. You are pure potential waiting to ripen into your full being as God. The problem stems from our beliefs and attachments to the thoughts that come in and our assumptions about ourselves and life. We believe our thoughts to be ours and we sometimes act upon them . Thoughts=beliefs=actions=experience.  We label things as being dumb, crazy and mentally ill, but its just energy. Like the circuit breaker breaking or malfunctioning due to whatever the source of that. Thats what a stroke is. Its like a malfunction in the circuit. God is living life through you and why it can seem so tortuous and cruel to you is because, since you are God and God is energy the energy that's flowing through you has been "disturbed" or has malfunctioned in some way and you need to get it back in alignment using tools such as thoughts and beliefs. Thats how powerful you are. To me, tho, enlightenment is not something you become or gain, its the recognition of realizing what you are not. All of it. Recognition that you are no-thing and everything simultaneously.  Like a wave recognizing it cannot stand on its own without the ocean and that it is the entire ocean. 

@PataFoiFoi  yes because everything you see in the orb is just part of the orb and this orb contains every single thing you have ever experienced in reality, except you because you are god looking at god. When someone sees you, you are in the orb and they arent in the orb, when you look at them, they are in the orb and you arent. Gods not happy cause you are not happy. When you become happy god becomes happy at least outside the orb becomes happy and this will warm the orb with happiness. The orb contains every timeline every single thing every dimension and you can change your path through the orb by changing yourself. So today you could be a bored human tommorow you could be in another dimension because its just you travelling through it no one else exists. The orb is omnipotent it contains everything and everyone

I haven't read it, but it sounds very interesting.
 
Yes, psychological death is like undressing at a very deep level, and when you start putting the layers back on again, you become more aware of how each layer relates to each other (or you become aware of new layers you didn't know existed). This undressing process is inevitable, and most people do it only once, and they really want to avoid it altogether.
That is what I think reincarnation is for most people: you don't want to do the undressing process, so you instead want to jump straight into a new set of clothes while still wearing the same clothes underneath. I'm saying that it even if it's the case that you'll be given new clothes, you still have to take off your old clothes before you put on new ones. You might remember your old clothes some time in the future, but that will just be a memory.

 
I've heard about it, but I know nothing about it. I've heard about too many weird past life stories to not think there could be something there (but again, I just don't think it matters a lot). This one guy Jan Esmann says he remembers all his lives for the past 2000 years. He is a very interesting guy for other reasons too. I recommend his BATGAP interviews on YouTube if you want to feel like a true spiritual weirdo  

Yes it's your conscious choice in which state you want to be in if you want you don't take any physical form and stay in the godstate.
But there is beauty in duality you will get bored by being in nothingness state.
And remember you are god and god wants to live all these lives in physical form! But if you do not want to you can always have a choice!

Here is the thing...
Once you ask such question, people will come up with all sorts of opinions and believes.
Which are entirely based on their (spiritual) conditioning.

What is true is that there is an overwhelming amount of case reports regarding young children refering to previous lifes.
We know that this has been true across cultures and across time (Pythagoras could remember most of his previous lifes).
We know that there is the phenomenon of between life memories. 
We know that this is a reocurring theme in near death experiences. 
We know that this is a reocurring theme in psychodelic transmissions.

The truth is that there many facets of experience that hint at reincarnation.
I personally do not think that this is just a "string of memories seemingly attached to different minds and bodies across time.". 
Such assumption would create more questions than it would solve.

If you ask Leo, he would say that all this reincarnation stuff is something YOU (GOD!) is imagining. 

I know a deeply realized individual who once told me that during "his shift" (enlightenment) he felt this strong energetic intuition that he went through multiple lifes to end up where he is now. 

I do hold my own believe, which is: Of course reincarnation is real. 
Which is based on bayesian reasoning and the best evidence we have. 
But then again, its "just" a believe. I guess we will find out soon enough anyway

Buddha Shakyamuni Lao Tsu Alan Watts Osho Eckhart Tolle Shunyamurti Huineng Jesus D. T. Suzuki Dogen

Tom Campbell Eckhart Tolle Adyashanti Peter Ralston Jed Mckenna Frederick Dodson Vadim Zeland Rupert Spira Daniel Ingram

@Leo Gura
I don't place you above me, that is why I actually used the term "prophet", you are just a human like everyone else yet you lead us to God. I think this is what Mohammed tried to teach the christians because they revered their prophet Jesus as God himself, Mohammed reminded everyone that it's about the One God and that prophets are just humans, I just have a passion for religions and myths btw not that I think that stuff is real awakening. 
I'm not stuck in any dogmatic metaphysical system actually, that is what all the turmoils from my life the last years but also the studies of different perspectives has brought me. I have personally verified solipsism in 1 trip which destroyed my life for a few years. It's also just blatantly clear to me that consciousness/reality is one, divine, mystical etc. not that I actually am able to enjoy it, I am still drawn in heavily by the vortexes of human life and activity.
1.  Why is God Alien though? does Alien in your sense just mean to highlight that it is radically different from anything we know? I wouldn't otherwise understand why the literal Godhead of the universe would be an Alien intelligence. Isn't the Ultimate Godhead the Infinity of all things, and not specifically Alien/Non-Alien?
2.  The only thing holding me back from going into serious psychonautics is my fear of being disintegrated, fear of extreme suffering in states of consciousness, extreme radical states of consciousness that would leave me in hell for a long time, ruining the rest of my life by going crazy on psychedelics, retaining visual hallucinations, extreme emotions and feelings when facing ego death, sinister trips and energies
This is really the only thing holding me back from tripping deep to find Truth and also do deep inner change. Do I just have to take the psychedelics and face them, and just accept whatever consequence comes upon me?

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PS: There is actually just one question I care about before truly starting my journey, that is boggling my mind. the question is, is eternal hell possible? As in, is it possible for me, Consciousness, to get stuck in an eternal loop of extreme suffering that I would literally never get out of? without any chance of redeeming my suffering, as in, there would be no ego death etc to relieve me. A state of consciousness where that is the case and I'm locked in it forever. It may seem like a dumb question since some specific state could never be eternal, because eternity is the set of all infinite different states of consciousness. However on the other hand, if God is infinitely powerful and God is consciousness, it could actually put itself in eternal hell forever because there is nothing it can't do. 

I'm willing to go to Hell for Truth and God, but the idea of eternal torment truly scares me. Still I feel in the back of my head like I know God would never allow it, because literally the only condition that makes God ever-forgiving or not ever-forgiving is whether there is eternal hell or not. Sorry for the childish question.
(Repost from another thread because I wanted to ask this question seperately)

Are you using the forum on mobile? If so, you may need to rotate your phone to show more toolbar buttons on the top (i.e. where the bold, italics, underline is).
That will reveal a quotes icon/button. Using that button allows you to make a quote (example at the end). I think that The Bandman simply used that button, then copied and pasted that stuff into the quote.
 

I mean, I wouldn't call people completely stupid but they do say stupid things that are stupid because they are bad habits of thinking without actually learning how to learn, just conceptual knowledge from the education system within a certain time period. For example saying things like, "you don't need apps, just don't turn your phone off." As if  I haven't thought of that before. I clearly know what is wrong with my phone because of missed calls and there is no reason to turn my phone off at this moment, only at night when I don't need an alarm. If my phone is on silent, my Mom would assume that my phone is off or that there is only Russian at the airport or that without considering the option of airplane mode on a plane. There are certain habits of thinking in the education system like writing things down being effective while ignoring reminders being more effective or that my work needs to manually be saved. Stupidity isn't a lack of conceptual knowledge, it is being unaware to habits of thinking and being attached to them and to the thoughts from being emotional.