Kykeon

Wonder if you’ll figure it out after you drop that concept, or maybe you’ll find a bigger concept to describe It?

Spirituality can be defined in many ways, some more useful than others depending on the context. I like this definition: Discovering what’s real and being it. End of story. This solves no “problems”, instead it “kills” the one who “has” the problems, making them almost completely obsolete and therefor infinitely easier to deal with. Live authentically, accept all that is around you as part of oneness happening, act accordingly - which may mean that you do things that don’t fit any typical “spiritual” paradigm. It sounds like your transcendent trips gave you the impression that spirituality would help you transcend or escape your life situation. What spirituality does is causes the realization that it isn’t your life situation because there is no you (just Godness/Awareness watching the movie of the body you think is you) and that you don’t need to escape it because it doesn’t effect Godness/Awareness/You in anyway. You’re in a dream right now and you may wake up in it and go “Oh! This doesn’t matter! (Thought it still counts!)” or the body will die and Godness/Awareness/You will have a similar experience that “you” as the body does every morning when you wake up from dreams and are completely untouched by the to the point that you don’t even really try to remember them. Zen also sums it up well: Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. This makes enlightenment seem pointless, where’s the infinite bliss, the adoration of other seekers, and the world peace that you are about to now be able to create? Turns out once you finish the journey, there’s no need for any of that. You are found in a peacefulness that is so completely unconditional that it doesn’t matter if you live with Hyenas or in any other situation (not that you won’t continue to follow your biological imperatives to some degree and seek to live skillfully). Hell, you’ll very likely see them such that you will have great love and compassion for them.

Entrepreneur/psychonaut here. No, they will not.

@Moksha How do they fit the definition of a noun? Where does a human object begin and end and how do you determine such? If I try to use the rules of apparent cause and effect then the human object extends in all directions to infinity. If I freeze frame to isolate the object, it will vanish as per the rules of physics. If I look at exactly what a human object is made of I find that it is in fact not an object but several communities of processes in turn made of small communities on and on to infinity. As far as I can tell, from a relative perspective, there is no actual evidence that anything is an object. We just use that concept as an abstraction to communicate and plan. Ironically, even in those abstractions we still take into account that the object is not actually static and changes, to which we must anticipate and adjust. Which would mean that we even then still regard it fundamentally as a process or activity.

@wildflower The cosmic joke is that you are the totality experiencing itself. There is no room for separation, only an appearance that can be incorrectly interpreted as one of fragmentation, as you say. So you are the totality, experiencing its totality, which is currently being expressed as a series of sensations and appearances that are interpreting themselves to be not it, but they are ignorant, and wrong. You are what is watching God watching the human body-mind appear to be confused and “unenlightened”. It’s putting on a pretty convincing show, isn’t it?

Keep in mind that language is inherently dualistic and only describes conceptual frameworks of non-dual, non-conceptual “qualities” of reality. The description is a finger and it’s pointing to the moon. Don’t get too hung up on how the finger is pointing and try to figure out what it’s pointing at. In other words, don’t seek to learn from teachers without seeking what they sought. In many ways, you are completely alone in this journey and it is inescapably DiY.

There is a sensation in the body that has been labeled “me/self/I/etc”. The body is then conditioned through repetition to believe the accuracy of that label and acts accordingly, which is out of coherence with the truth of reality which is why it experiences suffering and confusion. That sensation isn’t anything in particular until you think about it. Thoughts are simply heavily conditioned to reference that sensation as a self, which is why they do that and why the body also acts as if it is the case. So you’re trying to invalidate the validity of an assumption that was never valid in the first place! Haha! No wonder it’s so tricky. You’re looking at it as if it has any validity at all when in reality the problem is that you have all of these mental activities running nonstop that are interpreting that sensation as a self. Just realize that you’ve been making an inacurate interpretation and that it will take time for the body to fully condition itself to be in alignment with the more correct interpretation. You will and likely already have noticed that it will reduce the other suffering inducing reactions to everything, aka interpreting everything that happens based on how it relates to “me”. Also, WHO THINKS THAT IT IS A SELF?? Other thoughts about it? Those aren’t you are they? Of course not. So not only is there no you, there is no you to think that there is a you! They are just thoughts that run on repeat because that body has been conditioned to respond to its circumstances that way. Hilarious, isn’t it? Teachers like Fred Davis do a great job on driving this home if my description resonates with you.

@Thought Art It is being the humble gardener that would lead one to spontaneously becoming the next Buddha anyway! For how could one be such a role if they had “reached” it by “aspiring” to it! Lol! Besides, there are already plenty of “next Buddhas” out there, exactly as many as needed. Then we get the ones trying to be that which takes us over the edge, if you will. Be the Buddha of your garden, of your gut bacteria, your brain and your bedroom and see what happens hahaha.

Living the lifetime however it is lived my friend. While from a relative standpoint it’s fine to pursue goals, careful to ensure that you do so with absolute neutrality. Neutrality in the sense that there simply is no possible distinction between what is and isn’t “worthwhile”. What is rules, and by this I mean whatever is happening is what God yourself has deemed to be worthwhile above all else! Which includes our judgements of what is and isn’t worthwhile (lol) as well as our apparent decisions to follow or not follow those judgements. What I’m trying to say here is that absolute, radical, unconditional acceptance of yourself and actions and life path is tantamount to virtuously pursuing goals.

But who likes thinking exactly? Is that not just another thought? An addict will justify that they enjoy their addiction to remain in denial that they need to change. All the while the addiction carries on bringing great suffering and turmoil to their life that the cannot recognize because they continue to believe in the thoughts that support their denial. If you are unfamiliar with self-inquiry as a way of addressing what I understand to be your problem, let me know and I’ll see if I can help out!

The ultimate dead-end psychedelic is the human body. Stop chasing the experiences of this exogenous drug.

@Moksha I would go as far to say that even in relative reality there are no nouns. Where are they? Language creates the apparent concept and then assumption that the concept has any bearing on reality, regardless if considered from a relative or absolute “perspective”. The noun-ness of activities exists as an assumed aspect of relativity until it is investigated. So nouns are useful for communication, which is a pixilation of what is being communicated. Even consciousness falls into non-existence when it is not engaged in/by activity. Not very objectful of it! Haha!

There are only activities that begin and end, there are no objects that arise and fall away. There is a seeing, and a reading, a remembering, and a thinking. These activities happen to digest this post, but when a searching is initiated as inquiry instructs - what will never be found is a seer, a reader, a rememberer, a thinker, or a searcher. There are only sensations generated along with these activities (the sensations are also activities) which are then paired with an additional activity of assuming that those sensations are the noun that is initiating the activities. This all became much clearer today as this activity of life systems was walking and inquiring today - a highly effective/recommended self-inquiry method. It was helpful in that grokking the phrase “You/God are/is a verb!” had yet to occur until it did today and an activity of apparent liberation followed. Now there is curiousing about other descriptions of the same epiphany, or responses to this. Thanks

Infinite goals endlessly presenting themselves to be completed as construed by the circumstances life presents to stimulate the conditioning of this body. Can the body trust that the greatest goals are already in its course? Can it trust that completing the quests set before it in the present moment will bring it to the highest peaks of apparent spiritual achievement?

Jed is one of the best illusion busters out there. Cynicism is a powerful tool!