Jannes

You hit a very partial truth. Only the rational mind could come up with such a narrow reasoning. Watch your gut feeling/ intuition. If you think more holistically you will see that this is a terrible idea.

Yeah that kind of saying is also something I heard quite frequently. I imagine part of that is a different survival bias. And the people that are 50 now are born 25 years earlier then the people that are 25 now so the cultural influences they grew up with and which significantly formed their personality are different. I dont know if this is accounted for in this observation.

A strong collective ego backlash can last a long time when intellectuals and critical thinkers who would recover the regress are targeted for that reason.

A infinitely mature snake and infinitely mature mouse can live together but I would highly question that you are aware of your own biases. That you even suggest such an idea shows that you probably aren't even aware of your biases.

What does what mean?

Either yes, but then as you said things like art are on the higher consciousness side so porn (with animalistic sex) but with things like art integrated would have high consciousness facets to it which in total would make it a higher conscious experience then "normal" porn. Or no, as you could make the presentation of sex itself more conscious.

I dont read a ton so I when I read I want to get the most out of it. So if you would could only read one book from Ken Wilber which would it be?

I am generally a fan of minimalism and environmental solutions. But where is that 10k coming from?

I dont know if I understand you correctly. You can integrate high consciousness elements into the porn like an interesting story line, art, jokes. All of those are not the pure fucking but they can surround the porn. Most porn is so low quality, non of these elements are included. In my experience it doesnt take away from the sex, the sexual needs are perfectly met through that, it's just a good edition that you ingest with the porn. So thats one thing to make porn more conscious. Or the sex itself can be more conscious. Taking time, foreplay, tenderness are all things which are higher consciousness then pure physical sex.

Thats okay and I understand your reasoning. Sex just generally falls under the category of needs as needs refers to a big spectrum with lower and higher needs. So I would agree with you in this way: sex is a lower need or sex is not a super fundamental need. What were we talking about?

This is true. Which is why the need for breathing is a more fundamental need than sex. But sex is still a need.

Okay then let's say a person with a high baseline consciousness. That person will still have a need for sex.

Even very conscious people need to fulfill there lower needs. You dont just reach enlightenment and then dont eat and have no sex anymore. Although the later might in fact be reduced. So there needs to be porn for your enlightened gurus.

You get to the heart of the problem. 🫠 It must be combined with self love somehow. This topic breaks my mind. The world is made out of devilry. You aint special in that department. Maybe love what we devils managed to achieve..

Tried that, but then I slipped back into thinking I am good like the devil I am. How does one deeply integrate the acknowledgment that one is evil.

Can you fully grasp what your intentions are? Where their roots lead to? "Good intentions" come from morality as morality invents good and evil. And morality is a useful collective survival strategy (collective ego) it is not "pure goodness". That you can find even a stain of pure moral white in the relative world is a fantasy. As Alan Watts humorously said, christians unconsciously knew that they would never be able to act purely "good" so they made the feeling of guilt a virtue.

Agreed deconstructing the concepts of good and evil is an important step. It helped me personally a ton. One of Leos best videos imo, but I suffered a lot from unnecessary guilt and got into guilt traps where I did something inauthentic to not feel guilt which ended up causing more harm. I dont even know anymore what's right or wrong. Maybe thats the right place to be.

But what if your natural self wants to kill and rape and the unnatural moral self suppresses that? Yeah thats also how I experience.

@Keryo Koffa I think its much more complicated then that. What does doing good mean, we cant know if the outcome will ultimately be good if we aim for it because we are only conscious of so much. It would be much better a derive some a priori principles. When you do the right things for the wrong reasons the outcome will be bad. It might be that we should aim to BE BAD which results in doing good. For example I had a friend who was I supported not because I wanted to but because I felt like I needed to to be a good person and with the aim that this would lead to something good and in the end at a low point of mine my true ego came through and I brutally ended the friendship. It would have been much better if I never came to the stupid idea that I am good.

Working on my life purpose course just did the "VIA Survey of Character Strengths" test. I cant find the other 24 strenghts on the website as a comparison. https://www.authentichappiness.sas.upenn.edu/testcenter I do agree with all the values that came up for me but somehow it doesnt really resonate with me. Maybe because it is formulated rather formally and dry without example. And I did the test on meds with shitty mood.

So I wonder if society would be functional if everybody fully pursued their LP. I have seen many people doing music and art for their LP and it is very important that these things are pursued! - But I see few people doing practical mundane things for their LP but these things also have to be done. Maybe my perception is wrong, I have only seen a relatively small sample size so what is your perception here, are all areas of life being taken care of or are some areas left out? And what would that imply?

I gamed for two weeks straight a couple months ago. I just acted like a machine going through the motions in the hopes that through chance it would click at some point. But at some point I was so burned out and desperate I became conscious that I actually knew how things would turn out before I approached. I had no belief in myself that the approach would actually work and it guaranteed didnt work out because of my mindset. So what I did was just to deliberately look for opportunities to built up my own state. I had a few very deep and rewarding talks which made me feel very good and grounded and from there my confidence grew and I escalated more which ended in my first hookup. So for me numbers game became a trap because it was the only thing I focused on. But it's also about getting comfortable in your skin otherwise the chance of ever succeeding will be incredible low.

Live in peace now

You know I joined a pretty leftist theatre group some time ago and I saw a guy once shamelessly just crying his heart out on a girls lab. It was very touching for me in that moment because I realized how much I suppress my emotions all of the time. I dont want to be a cold rock, what's the point in that? I want to feel if I am allowed to.. And that can be totally excaptable at leftist places. That guy btw. was a super chad. Not even that great looking but he had insane status and plenty of sex. It's possible to have both. I didnt know what #KAM means as I stay away from social media so I just googled it. I agree with you that this causes more harm then good and think this is feminism at its worst.