wildflower

I have watched the video what awakening feels like, that isn't a trip report to me? Your moment by moment account of what happens after you take a psychedelic would be extremely useful. Maybe it's my disposition but going of what I've read and seen in videos, I would assume I would be dieing and going into an abstract infinite place, yet what you are now saying here is no such experience. Considering the importance of psychedelic's within this paradigm, a detailed actual trip report would be not only major benefit, but ethically sound.

Understood. I think a precise trip report could be useful and help people. As stated I had gotten a completely different impression from watching your videos and then also other peoples experiences with DMT. Considering how much you toute psychedelic's it would be sensible to produce a more detailed description/report Clear detailed trip reports hopefully you see the importance and value in these amongst psychedelic users?

Perhaps you could clarify this in some of your videos. Up until this point myself and I assume many others, were under the impression you were taking enough DMT to die, merge with an white inifinite space or Godhead, and then returning to your body. But now it seems you are taking enough to just dissociate or feel some of the psychedelic effects. Detail with these things (trip reports) is super helpful, perhaps you could explicate more exactly what a trip is like with more nuance and precision, such that there is no room for ambiguity

Wait I'm confused, when you trip are you not having an ego dissolution and completely leaving 'Leo' body and perceptions? I thought 5 MEO DMT is pure ego death and infinity?

Do you think the Universe is converging towards a singularity of self awakening. I noticed through my experiences, a single human ego-self doesn't have the capacity to self realise to the Absolut Ultimate - the destruction of the universe - this is the one evidence against Leo's hardcore solipsistic view for me. You cannot as a ego-self end the universe, this is a feature not a bug. God is converging towards a singularity of total connectedness and unity within the contents of conciousness, this is obvious

But Leo as you said in your outrageous experiments video, you thought you could have ended the universe and everything in it, but you didnt, why do you think this is?

No I agree 100% with what your saying. It is meaningless to say everything is Absolutely True, as wittgenstein said, better to pass in silence. The question relating to: can we trust the interpretations of psychedelic experiences to give an absolute metaphysics within the relative domain, then no, I don't think we can. There are just interpretations, views and ideas, which should be seen as such I don't personally believe it's about any x state achieved in and of itself, it's about what principles we can actualize in our everyday life that reduce our subjective and collective suffering, this is the highest paradigm for me personally. You can smoke 5 meo dmt, and in your everyday life be abrasive, full of envy and ill will, full of craving for sex and alcohol, and be no better off. So really what benefit or utility did the experience bring to you or anyone else?

The funniest thing about this forum is when people relatively argue about Absolute Truth, there is nothing you can say about Absolute Truth in any way which isn't automatically Absolutely True, you can literally make any linguistic construction about Absolute Truth and it is True. For example Absolute Truth is roses and peanuts, is just as True as Absolute Truth doesn't exist, or Absolute Truth does exist ad infinity lol But these people don't get the irony in their discourse lol

Let me try to help, as I went through this same difficulty with how people use language and try to help each other (help seems a reach, it feels like a game of ego to understand the metaphysical concept of Absolute Truth - which is simple and easy, depending on your intellectual disposition and spiritual work). Anything that exists, is Absolutely True, all duality and relativisms collapse, there is only one context or no context, the context is suchness, isness or just whatever word you want to use to point the manifest of anything (wittgenstein used what is the case or state of affairs'). This is completely unbiased, and doesn't prejudice any form over anything else, as this would be relativism. This Absolute Truth has no bearing or utility on your relative experience. Because the Absolute doesn't care about what's classed as suffering or non suffering, as it simply doesn't exist, as again it's a relative duality. This is easy to understand, and easy(ish) to experience in high equanimity meditation states (pain/please, aversion/craving collapse) So psychosis and delusion and 2+2=4 are the exact same level of Truthness from the Absolute. But obviously this doesn't help you in the slightest in your relative, contextual world, with your relative goals and aims. The problem Absolute Truth doesn't help you at all in the relative sense, as Absolute Truth is Absolute Nothing. Humans are concerned with relative utility, measured usually against suffering and non suffering in the contexts of Buddhas work, also compassion vs ill will etc etc etc. So defining a meta context for your relative goals is super important Absolute Truth can act as a marker, or set of principles to guide you. As you converge to Absolute Truth, your individual subject relativisms fade, mainly craving and aversion in all it's forms, and bias's, which reduce suffering etc.. so there is no conflict here. Essentially you want to converge to the Absolute to the point before you stop surviving, i.e. renunciation i.e. Buddha --- see how it all fits together? It's really simple, but the language games on here conflate and distort people actually understanding things

The ego dies when your physical body dies, the point isn't to get rid of the ego, anymore than getting rid of your heart or kidneys.

I understand what your saying, how can we create any absolute view from any relative experience. Well the only absolute view is absolutely nothing. So all these people playing language games on the forum are just playing games. The problem of our concern is one of utility. What context or paradigm serves the highest utility to give the best experiences (peace, connectedness, joy) possible as a human. This is where the 8 fold path or 8 part model from the Buddha is helpful

Timestamp for wisdom, seems as though hes saying the same thing said on these forums, but in a more gentle way:

No one here seems to mention Ajahn Brahm, but I think he is probably one of the most awakened and embodied humans alive, may this video help

Yeah I would say I definitely have bladder issues, but they get better after I abstain, and I always drink tons of water. Ill be honest I used to live with one of the biggest distributors in the UK, and that was just crazy town, that guy had to have part of his bladder removed and stuff, he definitely had issues, but he moved country and now is much better. But honestly there was times in our apartment with like 10-20 kilos of Ketamine, with 1kilo just cut open on the table like scarface, got pretty dark at some points

I would disagree with this. AS he says, humans have a problem with dealing with the Truth, especially if it opposes our survival, which in actuality it turns out it does. Your degree to bare the Truth is inversely related to your desire for survival.

What is your view on what Ajahn Brahm is saying, have you seen or read any of his stuff? he is very explicit in the video, he basically is saying God consciousness is still ultimately suffering that should be let go of, to go to beyond to nothigness: Interviewer: 54:25 nirvana as a non-conditioned non-personal awareness at the level of the universal atman what they say and describe like to be finally drawn into and absorbed into nirvana as a drop of vapor is drawn into the ocean and they're losing all personal individuality 54:53 replace it by the impersonal individuality of the universal essence the universe is a person in that sense so you're just kicking the can down the road so the universal essence has to now suffer wherever this consciousness has to be consciousness that's what one of the reasons why i think it's called vi like by its duality to know is to know good and bad you can't just have knowing good and therefore there is a change sometimes that's really joyful but then it's more joyful and the ordinary joy is not as good as the lord joy it's suffering there this is one of the reasons why you can see that all types of consciousness and inherently suffering and that's exactly what the buddha said is dukkha cheetah is duca manno is dukkha all types of consciousness known as it's like wishful thinking you know we human beings don't like to face the truth and we want to be but we don't want to be suffering so they think come on just so i'll get rid of the stuffing but still keep you know things i like i like knowing or will and after a while you find that you can and why do you want to anyway because people think they are that's why they don't want to let go of the the idea of being after a while when you realize there's nothing here nothing here now it's nothing destroyed

Fair. The only person in the world for me that speaks different then this, that seems to encapsulate these other teachings but transcends them is Ajahn Brahm, he talks more about nothingness then anyone else. He also is probably one of the meditation masters in the world. I wonder what your thoughts are on the way he describes it, I've timestamped it, it takes 3 minutes, he talks about different states of conciousness, ifninite conciousness, but in the end there is more beyond, I recommend the whole video:

Heres another video with timestamp of him referencing the same luminousity you do: Im only posting him as he was Frank Yangs guide to awakening

I appreciate your effort, and don't get me wrong, you seem much friendlier and open to discourse in your videos, text is a bad format of communication, so sometimes the succinct text communication makes it seem more like that. Here is a video of daniel ingram using the exact same terminology of luminous as you do in your latest video. Look I could be wrong, but it seems to me you guys speak about the same phenomenological experience:

The thing is in Leo latest video he talks about conciousness being self illuminating - the way he describes it, is literally the exact terminology that Daniel Ingram and frank yang have both used. Literally the exact same way of describing reality when awakened, this self luminating quality. It just becomes a pissing contest. The goal isn’t consensus or to understand each other, it’s to try to be more awake then the other person and to not concede anything linguistically, makes no sense

Actually I think you guys are talking about the same thing. You are pretty hard faced about the way you define and articulate things. Any concept word or linguistics we use to describe anything is limited, 'God' is merely a word to point towards something; 'the map is not the territory' like you always say. The problem is, you guys just seem to be arguing over maps, or misunderstanding about labels on maps. I dont think anyone can seriously argue away that this universe does't fulfill any reasonable (non theological) linguistic definition of God, I also think most materialists like Harris would agree. The problem is nuanced, as whenever we reference God, it always feels anthropomorphized, or some ego-self having hijacked God (similar anthropic view)

There is confusion, no one is saying or making any claims about what God is or isn't. There are just different states of consciousness, some you experience infinite God, some you are not conscious of it, the underlying principle is all states are conditioned... What we are saying is, there is an infinite ways to view what you think God is. Im not talking about the experience of whatever you classify a conscious experience of God is, but your view of it. These are two subtle nuanced differences. The Buddha taught to relinquish all views, to go past infinite conciousness (there's 2 more states of Jhana after this), and explicitly warns about getting stuck at this stage. No one is saying God is a content of psychedelic's, but your concious experience and realization of God and Absolute is a by product of it, or so it seems from following your journey. I mean there is just a multitude obvious easy ways to test any of your claims sober (omniscience etc) But we get what you are saying: everything, including you whether you are conscious of it or not, is God at all times, no matter what state of conciousness or level you are in

That is not my interpretation of any of what Siddhartha spoke of and what concepts he was trying to convey. He is basically saying, you can make all types of claims and have all types of experiences, but what use are they if they don't help with suffering. He taught the 8 fold path as a way to reduce and eradicate suffering, but not as a philosophy or theory but to test as a working hypothesis and embody yourself. What did he teach? essentially everything is interconnected, and that if you want to transcend your human biology and psychological views, you need to renounce it, and the degree to which you renounce it you will reduce your suffering. Contrast this with what a lot of people here think: have God realization then you can smoke crack, casual sex and it's amazing, no suffering, do what you want. That is the antithesis of the Buddhas teaching, smoking crack and pursuing sense pleasure within them contains suffering. The goal isn't to be able to do all these actions and volitions without suffering: it's to realise these actions always lead ultimately to suffering, and to abstain from them, this is true wisdom. But of course no one wants to accept this, even those who have had God realizations, although ultimately they'll realize; just one more thing to let go off.

Yeah if it's your first time and you do a lot, it can be disorientating and scary. I actually enjoy alcohol and ketamine, also with mushrooms It's weird though after doing so much ketamine in my life, I honestly don't see any long term value for anyone besides the fact you can experience some drastically different states of consciousness besides mundane perception, and if your close minded it might open it up, but overall when I look back I don't see any benefit personally

I've taken Ketamine maybe 500-1000 times in the past 15 years, my bladder feels the usage, and some of my friends have had partally removed I'm going to say something controversial. Out of all the many deep twisted experiences I've had on ketamine, none of them have been relevant at all for my daily life. Meditation self inquiry, basically all sober activities are the only long lasting things I have utilized. Same for all the multitude of people I know who have taken it extensively