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But I have had tons of crazy psychedelic experiences, and so have many other people, but they don't produce the same metaphysics you insinuate (insinuate being a key word, you don't make your position clear, which is a sign of dishonesty) there's plenty of people who have done DMT 100's of times that aren't hardcore first person solipsistic. Distributed solipsism is more likely, or cosmopsychism I don't see why you'd infer that the universe was created when Leo perspective was first manifest, and all of sensate reality and objects - other humans - are completely imaginary, but your own body, thoughts feeling, and perspective to be the real God perspective. It's more than reasonable to assume whatever experience this ego form is having, the other ego forms that appear in my conscious bubble are having a similar experience, and they are no more or less real than me. It's quite obvious solipsism is impossible to falsify, but as a metaphysically position is senseless

You ignored my questions. Are you dreaming me? OR am I just dreaming you? Or we both dreaming each other? can you clarify your position - I think my questions are wholly reasonable

Hey Leo, any reason why you don't want to answer these, is there something wrong with them? : 1) If you believe what your saying, why are you talking to anyone 2) In your God realization video you say the ultimate goal is to merge with Leo in infinite love forever... why do any of us need to do anything, if you can do it? why dont you just merge with us via DMT 3) ~Why does your experience not effect me if we are all the same figment of imagination and not one? Clearly I can falsify this: when you smoke DMT and get supremely conscious, I don't meet you there, my experience isn't effected 4) Why do you need anyone else if you believe what your saying: we dont even exist, all you have to do is smoke enough DMT to merge into yourself forever and destroy the universe 5) do you even believe anyone or anything exists outside your (Leo Gura) direct conscious bubble? Are you a hardcore solipsist such that Leo is the only conscious perspective to exist

There can be a conscious experience such that there is just suchness, both subject and object are perceived directly the same, so the other person you would usually think is someone speaking to you, you can merge and collapse into them, such that there is only someone speaking, no them and me, but this is just an experience or perceptual shift. Leo makes tons of implicit ontological and metaphysical claims: there is only a single perception that exists, that is his, and we all only exist when we read our comments, and when he doesn't we arent even alive

Do you intend to respond to my post, I'm not being facetious or confrontational, I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinion

Leo your position just seems vague or contradictory: 1) If you believe what your saying, why are you talking to anyone 2) In your God realization video you say the ultimate goal is to merge with Leo in infinite love forever... why do any of us need to do anything, if you can do it? why dont you just merge with us via DMT 3) ~Why does your experience not effect me if we are all the same figment of imagination and not one? Clearly I can falsify this: when you smoke DMT and get supremely conscious, I don't meet you there, my experience isn't effected 4) Why do you need anyone else if you believe what your saying: we dont even exist, all you have to do is smoke enough DMT to merge into yourself forever and destroy the universe 5) You always seem to equivocate around this point: do you even believe anyone or anything exists outside your conscious bubble? Are you a hardcore solipsist such that Leo is the only conscious perspective to exist Considering how long you speak about this stuff, your position still doesn't seem clear, or that your afraid to actually make it explicit

Peterson has no idea about how to live a peaceful happy life or reduce suffering, the dude is neurotic as hell, it baffles me how people can follow him

Sorry, wasn't intending to come across aggressive, just clear and concise. To be clear: I'm not circularly using Buddhist states of consciousness to prove any truth, just stating the obvious: until you have achieved them yourself, you don't truly know them or how they compare to anything else. Too many people claim DMT is way more powerful than any meditation technique, whiteout themselves having verified this. It's conjecture

Well there is a chain reaction, the original something was just a single dense point of energy (the big bang), everything after this is self propagating (like you describe, its just segments of something actualizing the potential of another something). Take everything in the Universe in this moment, and imagine deleting parts of it one by one, imagine doing this until you delete all of what exist in the universe in this moment. Not just materiality, but all the thoughts, feelings and ideas that exist too, think about the sheer complexity of all these in this one moment, delete them all. Now imagine doing this for all previous states in the universe all the way back to the moment after the big bang - a single dense point of energy before forming a soup of particles. Can you see how as you remove or delete things from the universe, you increase the potentiality of the universe, such that the moment after the big bang there was the most potential for how the universe might possibly manifest? Can you see how the proliferation of each moment was a reduction of overall possibility? The more things manifest in a certain way, the less their potential to manifest in another? Now delete the very first moment of the Universe, the single point of immense energy - nothing would be left, but your degree of potentiality has reached Infinity, in this state of Nothing, there is now nothing constraining or limiting it, not a single point of any energy at all; there is an Infinite amount of possibilities. This is Nothingness, this is Infinity^Infinity

Where has this rhetoric that meditation cannot achieve such out of the world experiences? Jhana has literal stages called infinite conciousness and nothinginess, that are completely as out of this world as any psychedelic, this culture on the forum where people can speak absolutely on things they have no experience with should be banned. Until you've achieved full absoprtion Jhana, you don't know what your speaking about, so you should refrain else your misleading people

Here's something I wrote previously that can help you understand: something is the limitation and constraint of Nothing. something is contained within Nothingness. Nothingness is the metaphysical substrata of all of material reality and existence. It’s the substrate of something. To understand the above we have to abstract. You have to imagine a place before any material form exists, outside of any space or time, colours or shapes. This place is Infinity, as you will see Infinity and Nothingness are the same thing. Starting with something and removing the constraints and limits continuously you would inadvertently end up with Nothing. The process of removal will show you that as we progressively remove something’s limitations and constraints, we get closer and closer to Nothing. And that Nothing has the highest possible (infinite) potential to be anything or something. Nothingness is pure unconstrained, unconditioned, unlimited potentiality, or Absolute Infinity, or infinity^infinity. It contains all mathematical, logical or scientific infinities. Notice how math is a limit, qualifier or constraint of Nothing or a limit or constraint on Infinity. There are infinite possibilities of paintings, films, art, games, human interactions, buildings, music, thoughts and so on and so forth. There are infinite possibilities for an infinite number of things. All thanks to Nothingness. As soon as you have something, there is now an infinite amount of things that it isn’t. something is the negation of potentiality. If you ever wondered why something exists at all, it’s because within Absolute Infinity, there has to contain within itself, the negation of itself, and that negation is something. For any objection to the previous sentence; why does Nothingness have to contain the negation of itself? Well it has to by definition. Nothingness is Absolute Infinite potentiality, and the negation of itself is a possibility, because it contains all possible possibilities, it contains everything. Take a metaphysical Nothingness, now create anything from an electron, to an atom, to a finger. As soon as we can specify anything in any form of any scale whatsoever, there is now something, and an infinite amount of things it isn’t or can’t be. Something is a constraint, limitation and removal of possibilities. It is a constraint on Infinity or Nothing. Nothingness is actually the fabric of change. Because everythings true nature is Nothing. If its true nature was something, it could never become something else, it wouldn't be able to change. Nothingness is what allows form to mutate, grow, change and metamorphosize. It’s also the true nature of the person reading this.

Firstly just want to say this is nothing more than an honest general curiosity, I respect all of your explorations, and am more than grateful for your articulations on philosophical matters What are your thoughts now after you've had time to integrate a lot of your experiences on; 1) In 30 days you mention that one node of ego consciousness might be able to destroy the whole universe - but where would you go, and why would anyone go there? Whats your current reflections on this 2) Where is the universe heading? Do you believe more selfless forms and structures [AI/Robotics] will inhibit localized consciousness to bring more and more selflessness and connectivity, or do you believe our (Gods) culmination to be anthropocentric with a caveat: 3) I mean this with the greatest of respects, but what _utility_ do you believe psychedelics bring in the anthropocentric context if they bring any at all, your position isn't all clear from what I can see, I understand that <Absolute> knowledge isn't helpful in the relative domain of survival, but you also insinuate psychedelic's do have some utility for people, maybe in terms of trauma healing, emotional healing, connectivity etc etc... [To pre-empt again any conflict; Im just curious for your thoughts, I have spent months in mediation retreats, taken pyschedelics a lot of times, and grasp a lot of advanced concepts you talk about, Im just opening a dialogue]

But there are literal meditation states called: the mind base of infinite consciousness, which you have never achieved, so how can you say they are any less or more than the DMT? Its pure ignorant conjecture? Until you achieve that meditation full absorption you are just hypothesizing without admitting such, its an extremely misleading and dangerous rhetoric

Appreciate the thoughts, do you think any human will become/merge into total Infinity, ending reality , is this human biological vehicle even possible to do it, or does it need to be upgraded first, it seems as though the universe is converging towards this infinite singularity, but will it be done via one human taking DMT in your opinion? It seems like it can be dangerous to smuggle an anthropocentric view with this God->infinity realization

I'm not convinced actually, I think this hypergamy model is archaic and incomplete. I think the hierarchy of consciousness (personality type) is playing a role that you guys aren't accepting or acknowledging, your basically reducing humans down to merely biological machines and completely missing the psychological and metaphysical components. Im sure the lower the consciousness of those dating, the more it becomes purely biological, but high conscious people are taking more into effect

What about INTP and ENTP females - I know a ton that are way more logical than most males? I know tons of illogical guys - literally correlates with their personality type, ESFJ,ISFP males aren't logical... are you sure you aren't massively conflating personality type and gender, and the correlation between this?

People on this forum have a chronic issue with speaking authoritatively in absolutes, I've never experienced it before. People can have sex with prostitutes' for a whole host of reasons; some more common then others, but to posit a single one as absolutely the case is madness

Everyone understands what something is; as we walk down the streets or have any experience at all, we are always aware of something. We are aware of buildings, streets, people, thoughts, feelings and emotions, we are aware of all sense precepts. Furthermore when asked about nothing, we think it is the removal of something and replacing it with another something, such that relative to the first thing, there is nothing of it left. Most people’s understanding or use of nothing is a purely physical, material conceptualization, and it’s a relative transposition of one form of something, and replacing it with another form of something. Nothing doesn’t exist in material existence, there is always something there. Nothingness is a profound metaphysical notion. The most profound. It’s mentioned in most eastern philosophy or spirituality, and is the 7th stage of Jhana in Buddhist meditation: the mind base of Nothingness. The 6th stage is the mind base of Infinite Consciousness. Something is the limitation and constraint of Nothing. Something is contained within Nothingness. Nothingness is the metaphysical substrata of all of material reality and existence. It’s the substrate of something. To understand the above we have to abstract. You have to imagine a place before any material form exists, outside of any space or time, colours or shapes. This place is Infinity, as you will see Infinity and Nothingness are the same thing. Starting with something and removing the constraints and limits continuously you would inadvertently end up with Nothing. The process of removal will show you that as we progressively remove something’s limitations and constraints, we get closer and closer to Nothing. And that Nothing has the highest possible (infinite) potential to be anything or something. Nothingness is pure unconstrained, unconditioned, unlimited potentiality, or Absolute Infinity, or infinity^infinity. Nothingness or Absolute Infinity contains all mathematical, logical or scientific infinities. Notice how math is a limit, qualifier or constraint of Nothing or a limit or constraint on Infinity. There are infinite possibilities of paintings, films, art, games, human interactions, buildings, music, thoughts and so on and so forth. There are infinite possibilities for an infinite number of things. All thanks to Nothingness. As soon as you have something, there is now an infinite amount of things that it isn’t. Something is the negation of potentiality. If you ever wondered why something exists at all, it’s because within Absolute Infinity, there has to contain within itself, the negation of itself, the negation of potentiality,. And that negation is something. For any objection to the previous sentence; why does Nothingness have to contain the negation of itself? Well it has to by definition. Nothingness is Absolute Infinite potentiality, and the negation of itself is a possibility, because it contains all possible possibilities, it contains everything. Take a metaphysical Nothingness, now create anything from an electron, to an atom, to a finger. As soon as we can specify anything in any form of any scale whatsoever, there is now something, and an infinite amount of things it isn’t or can’t be. Something is a constraint, limitation and removal of possibilities. It is a constraint on Infinity or Nothing. Nothingness is actually the fabric of change. Because everything's true nature is Nothing. If its true nature was something, it could never become something else, it wouldn't be able to change. Nothingness is what allows form to mutate, grow, change and metamorphosize. It’s also the true nature of the person reading this. So far you might have followed me, you might deeply intuit what Im saying, you might conceptual or logically follow what I’m saying, and if for some of you, you are triggered, shouting at your screen, then I apologize, because it could possibly get worse. Nothingness and Love are the same thing, they are tautological. To understand what I’ve been saying so far and to understand Absolute Love, we have to understand what the term absolute means. Absolute means it has no opposite, it is independent of effect or infliction from all other possible things, it is true in all possible cases, that’s why it is a tautology. Absolute Tautology. However notice when we say it is independent from all other things, there is a contradiction that arises, how can this metaphysical notion of Love or Nothingness exist if it exists independent of existence? Well it doesn’t. Something is Nothing, Nothing is Love, all of something is Love, all of existence is Love, all of existence is Nothing. Love is Infinity is Nothingness. As an Absolute Tautology. True or Absolute Love is the most profoundly beautiful, transformative substance in existence. Let’s take a subsection of Absolute Love. Let’s constrain and condition it. This is what most of us do. Let’s take romantic love, love for a single person which is highly constrained and conditioned. Even directing it at all humans is a constraint. But a single human, already constrained, is only given to the human if they meet certain conditions like; agree to spend time with you, and not be intimate with other people, if they treat you in an agreeable way, if they uphold certain common values and standards and so forth. All of these are additional constraints or limits on Love. True Love or Absolute Love, has no constraints, it Loves everything and everyone, all parts of existence. It Loves human love, it Loves human hate, it Loves humans inability to fully Love, it Loves itself. It Loves you, not just the good parts, but all the bad parts. It Loves all the bad parts that could have been you that aren’t. It Loves everyone that has ever wronged you. It loves every murderer, rapist, and torturer, it Loves the fact that you also have the potential to be any of those, and it Loves that fact you're not. True Love doesn’t ask for any change or anything in return. It tells the pedophile, rapist or murderer; ‘I Love you regardless of what you do’. Paradoxically, this Love is the most transformative force in existence. It never asks for change, it Loves either way. This is what changes people the most. Fear is the negation of Love. People are afraid to Love. Love contains fear, it Loves it. Maybe you are starting to imagine or feel how powerful True Love is. People are afraid to Love because they are afraid of something, they are afraid something might happen to them if they Love, because they think that something belongs to them, it’s what they are. They are attached. Your ability to Love is directly related to your metaphysical attachments and identities to something, anything. All of spiritual traditions, perhaps even all of life itself, are teaching us Love, how to become Love. We do this by metaphysically becoming Nothing, Nothing is Love. Identity and attachment are both metaphysical notions, they are what constrain Nothing, so that you can become you; something. The Self, the ego, these are all underpinned by metaphysical attachments and identities. The bigger your ego, the reified your individual self, the more constrained and further away from True Love. The more we can slowly remove the constraints and limitations put onto ourselves; who we are, what our childhood was, how our future should be, our beliefs, what’s right or wrong, good or bad, the more we can become Nothing, and the more we become Love.

The great divide. the two pronged impasse. Psychedelics are great at showing you what's ultimately possible Meditative practice is the work to get you there Essentially all psychedelics have a dissociative impact on the ego or self such that whatever karmic causal inference is happening can be dissociated, so you can experience what it is like without this debt, and then you come back down to where you were before you started The hardest truth of all the truths: you have to become the truth, and theres a journey to get there beyond taking a psychedelic.

Hey, firstly; awesome post, its important people share there experiences both good and bad so there is no bias, I haven't taken DMT but over past 15 years (Im 33) have taken psychedelics 300-600+ times at least, although not always with spiritual intentions Ive had some of the most profound insights during them, but I always came to the same place I left, but perhaps with a bit more craving for the psychedelic Then I went many months in long retreats, and actually started to work on who I am even though I don't exist [the ultimate paradox] some people call this embodiment, and this has changed my core character so much Psychedelics are profoundly useful, Leo's articulation of the recontextualization of materialism and consciousness is profoundly elegant concise and beautiful, all down to his work with these substances. Its all going to boil down to at the end of the day: who are you [paradox] and what type of paradigms, intentions, behaviours, actions, do you exhibit Godspeed

No, you are making a higher order assumption: there is an objective reality outside of our senses, or an existence outside of existence. The lowest amount of assumption (zero) you can ever make is just bare existence in any given moment

It is 100% possible to transcend sexuality, obviously and seemingly hard for most humans. You can't do it by force though, you do it by insight and becoming conscious of the truth of sexuality, not just the idea of orgasm, but the whole value proposition of sexuality. As you raise your conciousness and mindfulness around sex, your mind will start to notice more subtle and subtle truths about the experience, that you hadn't seen before, as mostly sex was had via the conceptual mind Im sure alot of people will have knee jerk opposition to what I wrote above, as before you experience it, the ego really doesn't like to hear or think about it. But at least even if you don't think it's possible to transcend your sexuality entirely, for sure there is a continuum, and it is definetly possible and recommended to build a relationship to sexuality such that the girl in this thread isn't causing you to crave or suffer

Sorry what silly logic? I only asked why you would use DMT specifically if not going to the DMT singularity that seems to be the purpose for most other peoples trips. How are you deducing that I am saying that spiritual practices are only useful to the degree they take you other realms? Where did I write or imply this? You can be seriously sensitive, and then abrasive with your communication.

So interesting, I had no idea you wasn't going to different planes during your trips. Why use 5MEO DMT if this is the goal? Pretty much all trip reports of 5 MEO DMT online and youtube are going to the infinite singularity. If not going there, why not use other psychedelic's? Whats 5 MEO give you over mushrooms if your still within your own visual field? You made the claim in 30 days experiments in consciousness video, that you could die and kill the whole universe, do you still believe this is true? Are you sure this isnt just what everyone else is experiencing on psychedelic's? Many have completely died and come back

Gotcha, thanks. I would recommend perhaps even doing a video describing in detail what you've put here, as honestly from what I see on the internet, and my takeaway from these forums is that the third way into infinite singularity is the aim.