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Pantheism or Panentheism?

There are no accidents. Master Oogway

Yes. I totally agree with you. We just can't see the full picture. God is absolute goodness and beauty and He is always doing good and beautiful things in creation but with our limited mind we think somethings aren't supposed to happen and are ugly and are not meant to be; but they are meant to be and are paving the way for more beauty and goodness to come all the time. All is beautiful and all is good and well in God's eyes because God can't see anything outside of Himself because there is nothing outside of God and He is All Good and Beautiful and Divine so whatever He looks at is also a reflection of his nature and a reflection of how He is. The world is a mirror to God to see His own Beauty and Goodness and Love and Divinity.

Well yes you could also say that.

So you do gravitate towards pantheism more don't you? Ugliness is also from God huh? Or is there no such thing as ugliness and we just don't see the beauty that we think something is ugly? I myself think the last one is more close to the truth.

Interesting take on it. This is a great answer thank you.

Not so much so. Panentheism doesn't imply God is outside of the universe; it implies more that God transcends the world and its limitations.

So you would say they're the same? But there are some nuances in their meanings. Pantheism says creation equals God and God is identical with creation and everything is God but Panentheism says God is in everything and everything is from God but God is above creation and is not identical to it and all of creation's limitations and ugliness are below the real true nature of God which is limitless, infinite and beautiful. Basically Panentheism rejects God is everything because it sees ugliness in the world and doesn't want to associate any ugliness to God who is supposed to be beautiful and divine so it rejects the idea that God is everything but puts God on higher ground in a transcendental state from the world.

Of course not. How can you know somethings are intelligent if God the Creator of them is not Intelligent? Intelligence is a sign of God. There is no dumb thing in creation if you truly see everything is created intelligently. God is Infinite Intelligence.

So basically you're afraid of the unknown. The best tool to use against the fear of the unknown is to be sure that everything is going to be good in the end. Have faith in the Absolute Goodness of The Universe.

Are you having anxiety and panic attacks with your relationship with your current girlfriend? And if so are those about you and her? Or is it about something else?

Do as your heart says brother.

Everyone is up to the same thing brother don't bother yourself with seemingly different paths and rituals of seeking truth. All are the same; look at the sameness in everything so that you could be relieved. I'm living in the same Islamic tradition in Iran and it's okay; Islamic rituals are also one of the many ways. But in their essence all are coming from the same place; concentrate on that.

Follow the ideology of Transcendence. Follow the ideology of Goodness, Understanding, Love, Compassion, and Inclusion. Follow the ideology of The Unity of Being.

In the realm of possibilities everything that is possible is there. But in the realm of actuality every possibility is not actualized. But it is possible so it can become actualized. It can travel from the realm of possibility to the realm of reality if we go towards it.

It's a little vague the point you're trying to make. Could you rephrase it again?

Yes it is. Everything is a blessing from God's part or God's POV.

PERFECT.

Your loved ones go back to God. As you will also go back to God and to your loved ones.

At times of hardships and meaninglessness, when it seems that life is very painful and sad, remind yourself of the big picture, the light within that comes after every darkness. Don't lose hope everything will be fine once again, and even better than before; after you've gone through this inner battles.

If you want to prove to them transcendental love that's something they have to experience and feel it's got more to do with feeling than with rationality so nobody can actually prove the feeling of love everyone experiences it but the failures people go through in their relationships makes them feel like it is all a lie and illusion. So they just have to experience it once again in order to believe in it again. The best you can say is just wait till you fall in love with someone again.

Oh it's easy just tell them you love materials so much that's the proof of the existence of their love

Are you suggesting that you want to cheat on your girlfriend and you're having second thoughts about it and this is a problem??

Each moment contains a hundred messages from God. To every cry of, Oh God. He answers a hundred times, I am here. Rumi

Didn't know about that. I just wanted to say some good things he has done.