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@VeganAwake But what about sadhguru or other gurus that say you shouldn't be talking about the things that are not yet in your experience well that means that their experience of living is different it is known and embodied for them or is it not I mean I can't know that for sure I'm not in their experience or maybe their experience is also not different from others and it's just more peaceful not something physical that could be different Because the way I interpret from some gurus is that even their physical experience could be different from others and they not only feel their body but also can expand their senses to feel their surroundings Sadhguru says it's possible to know if you really want to know and to know it it becomes your experience and transforms you at least that's what i interpret from him

@Leo Gura Yes this is a real possibility I contemplate about that thank you

@Leo Gura So then the formlessness that we experience in the deep sleep is just an imaginary thing made by consciousness itself Because that formlessness is not an idea it is really nothing with no experiencer to experience anything at all and if that is the case then this right here and now and that dreamless state of no experiencer are both the same formlessness and not different from eachother

@LSD-Rumi Yeah I also became like that in my sleep some time ago but it was different for me I became conscious in my dreams not in the dreamless state

@Leo Gura Which means I'm imagining formlessness Hah that's some food for thought

@Someone here Thank you so much I'm feeling some relief now

@Someone here Yes I've been thinking and observing the same things that you just said in myself And I'm 23 and I have a girlfriend and I want to marry her and build and share my life with her But I still feel unsatisfied sometimes with my spirituality and feel like what's the point of everything and there is no point in anything and I get so frustrated with myself it just becomes so heavy sometimes you know:)) Thank you for being with me and answering me though I really appreciate your comments on my situation and sometimes I just really hate my mind that it always wants to be a step ahead of everyone and itself (as if that's possible) but I hate it when I see it always is predicting the future and also everyone else's answers to say to them if they figured something about it that it already knew what they were gonna say and beat them

@Someone here because I really wanna know it I'm tired of all the things I've heard from all the teachers I'm tired of not being sure of it myself and questioning and doubting every thought and concepts I've heard I also had a mystical experience on mushrooms a year ago myself and I also doubt that I don't know I'm sometimes in conflict with my mind and I really really wanna know the raw truth beyond any room for any doubt to arise in my mind

@Someone here Then the possibility of having a mystical experience and a heightened intense consciousness is more when you are in the life and experiencer state of consciousness and not when you die and there is no form like dreamless state right? In other word is death like dreamless state a consciousness with no form or there is still some form when we die That is what I'm mainly questioning

I feel like something is missing here and all there is is not consciousness but consciousness is what nothingness appears as when it takes a form and consciousness is secondary to nothingness

@Someone here okay great so this is what I want to get at If mystical experiences are also just some states that consciousness can take then who's to say they are the real reality behind everything and also even if they feel more real than the reality we are in it's just a heightened sense of reality isn't it? I mean I'm just saying more real is still not a conformation for them to be the real actuality of everything what if there is no reality to anything and reality quote on quote is just a term to describe what you are feeling and sensing at the moment then if all of these are the case then who can say it is the same thing that happens when we die? (I mean a mystical experience) And more on that if that is really what happens when we die (I mean we experience a mystical experience) then maybe we just experience it for some time then we fade away into nothingness same as the dreamless deep sleep state which has no form at all whatsoever

@Someone here great so then mystical experiences are all just some other forms that consciousness takes because after all they are still being experienced by someone isn't that right? in other words mystical experiences are just some heightened states of perception

And also if this is the case then consciousness and awareness are the mind itself which appears into existence in the waking state and all the mystical experiences are just a product of the mind

Hi this is just me writing this after a breakup that I just had with a girl whom I love very deeply and we were talking for about 6 months online and video calling each other almost every night and sleep together on the phone but we never met each other because we were cities apart and I was gonna see her in two weeks and we had planned a lot of things to do together and we dreamed about hugging and kissing each other when we saw each other and all these stuff But I saw in my interactions with her that she has a concept of love in her mind and that she has to be special for the one who loves her (I mean totally understandable and it's true to some degree) and she expects to see me prove to her that she's special for me in my heart (which she was actually) and I did that to some degree too but I saw myself craving for sex more and seeing the possibility of us having sex was the most important engine that drove me to continue with her but deep down I was also afraid of hurting her in the end so it went on and on till tonight that I decided to break up with her finally after realizing the fact that she had became attached to me way too much and I was afraid of letting it go further than this so I broke up with her and broke her heart but I'm having a hard time drawing a line between how to be straight up with girls about sex and how to show them that you also love them but not neglecting your wants to have sex with them because of them not thinking that you only want them for sex and you actually also care about them so how do I do this in the future to have better relationships with my partners and also I'm very worried about her I told her to delete everything we had in our chats and not ever coming back to me and forgive me and herself for what happened and let go and go on and live her life lovingly and she said she hates me and blocked me but I'm worried about her broken heart because I had some similar experience in my own past with another girl that broke my heart and I even killed myself but didn't die so I'm worried for her not doing the same things that I did I know this is all just in my mind and I did some meditations and contemplations for letting it go and they helped a lot but still I'm worried I would love to see the feedbacks from this forum. Thank You

@puporing Yeah thank you so much ?

@Rokazulu oh ok thank you for the explanation ??

@puporing Yeah I figured it even so early on into the relationship but denied it and went on with the relationship in the hopes of having sex in the end and become the closest two people can get together that is possible but it was just too hard to hold onto and hope for that image to happen

@Rokazulu Yeah I've been having the same thought that when you are more conscious it's more difficult to find someone and more difficult having to be the way they want you to be and compromise with them and give them what they expect of you

Hi this is just me writing this after a breakup that I just had with a girl whom I love very deeply and we were talking for about 6 months online and video calling each other almost every night and sleep together on the phone but we never met each other because we were cities apart and I was gonna see her in two weeks and we had planned a lot of things to do together and we dreamed about hugging and kissing each other when we saw each other and all these stuff But I saw in my interactions with her that she has a concept of love in her mind and that she has to be special for the one who loves her (I mean totally understandable and it's true to some degree) and she expects to see me prove to her that she's special for me in my heart (which she was actually) and I did that to some degree too but I saw myself craving for sex more and seeing the possibility of us having sex was the most important engine that drove me to continue with her but deep down I was also afraid of hurting her in the end so it went on and on till tonight that I decided to break up with her finally after realizing the fact that she had became attached to me way too much and I was afraid of letting it go further than this so I broke up with her and broke her heart but I'm having a hard time drawing a line between how to be straight up with girls about sex and how to show them that you also love them but not neglecting your wants to have sex with them because of the possibility of them not thinking that you only want them for sex and you actually also care about them so how do I do this in the future to have better relationships with my partners and also I'm very worried about her I told her to delete everything we had in our chats and not ever coming back to me and forgive me and herself for what happened and let go and go on and live her life lovingly and she said she hates me and blocked me but I'm worried about her broken heart because I had some similar experience in my own past with another girl that broke my heart and I even killed myself but didn't die so I'm worried for her not doing the same things that I did I know this is all just in my mind and I did some meditations and contemplations for letting it go and they helped a lot but still I'm worried I would love to see the feedbacks from this forum. Thank You

This question has been in my mind in days and I don't know if actual nothing and no self is actually the same as when we are in deep sleep state and there is nothing not even an experiencer who is present to know of itself and conscious of its presence and being or it's different when we die and being and presence and consciousness are and there is a self which is just conscious of everything but it still is and is different from the deep sleep state which is actual nothing it's not even a thing it doesn't even have a self or an experiencer Is there a difference between the two? Are there stages in death and nothing is the final stage of it and is like deep sleep or not?

I’ve been thinking about Oneness and the Universe which is what everything is and there is only the Universe happening everywhere and so on great but there is this one question that I can’t get any answer for which is If everything is the Universe and there is actually no separate “me” and there is only the Universe then the thoughts are the Universe too so then Why would the Universe create the thoughts of a separate “me” and trick itself why would it do that for what reason or there is no reason for it what’s the point??

@Bojan V

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@Shin Oh I got it so you mean for the fun of the game too

@Consept This is a good answer but it seems like a go to default answer to anything that's hard to answer sometimes