Matthew85

Thank you for sharing your insights. Is your definition of direct experience only what our human perceptions are aware of?

The question was framed from Leo's perspective, not mine.

How does realizing everything is imaginary benefit you, when according to you these levels of imagination are occurring at such deep levels you have no access to them? I don't see the point unless awakening to this will help you transcend it.

True. But assuming that when your ego transcends this dream it will collapse for all other aspects of the infinite I feel is not correct. My extensive research and direct experience has revealed that most finite aspects are on a very long journey back to becoming God. This dream will continue on for the other aspects as you move on in your journey.

It's interesting to read this from you considering many of your blog posts and video's. I guess it's part of your integration process.

Thank you. If you feel there isn't a self, what do feel your awareness that is experiencing is?

I would love if you went into more depth on the differences between the finite mind and the higher mind in an upcoming episode.

I would be very cautious in accepting this as the truth. There is a lot of information that does not support this as being the case. This belief is based on the idea that only your finite consciousness exists and is constructing the entire world.

I had an interesting insight during my last flotation tank meditation. I became aware that I actually don't see with my eyes. The mechanism of visual perception has nothing to do with my eyes. Has anyone else had this insight?

@BlessedLion I think it depends what your goals are. The most important thing to Leo is the deepest understanding of reality. If this is your goal then spending a lot of time with characters asleep and lost in the dream would be counterproductive. But I also know people who are quite happy being immersed in the dream and have no interest in awakening. With the amount of influences God creates to keep itself asleep, I do sometimes wonder if God really desires to awaken.

This is a good question. In looking at my own life my higher mind seems to construct a mixture. It constructs people who offer insights and nuggets of truth and others that make me fall deeper asleep. I've have been questioning if God really even wants to awaken. It sure constructs a lot of deceptive influences to keep itself deeply asleep.

@amanen Recent insights during my flotation tank meditations have been showing me this too. Everything that makes up the present moment is continually invented instantly in the now. The past does not create the present moment. That is another story we are creating.

@axiom Yes, this has been happening to me more recently too. Waking reality often feels more like a dream and I realize there is no external reality, I am only experiencing my mind. Often now physical movement is perceived as an illusion. No different than in our nightly dreams.

Life is not already written, it's a constantly morphing dream. What happens though is you get so lost and immersed in the narrative of the character you are creating that this becomes your reality. You are buying into the dream you are constructing. But you can awaken that this is happening and write a different story.

@JuliusCaesar In your research have you discovered an effective way to change the programs running in the unconscious?

@SOUL I agree. I am just basing it on my experience and the experiences of others. It's not a conscious decision for the ego to reassert itself. It just happens to people without any conscious thought from them. Have you succeeded in permanently transcending the limits of your ego?

@SOUL It seems we have very little control over this. It's like it's happening on autopilot. You read it in trips reports all the time where people reach very expanded states only to have the ego clamp back down automatically as they come back. These belief's seem to have been put in place from a much deeper level of our consciousness that we don't have easy access to. This is one of the reasons permanent change can be challenging for people.

@Breakingthewall Yes. I'm sure he is doing the best he can to explain his insights as they evolve. These topics are very complex. The reason I raised the question of simultaneous pov a few times is because it just doesn't resonate with me that infinity would limit itself to only my singular pov. Leo's perspective is it does and if you perceive simultaneous pov, that would only be you imagining them. I guess the only way to know is to validate it for yourself.

@Breakingthewall I agree, but when I have raised this question to Leo a few times, he says no. His perspective is only your singular point of view exists. It feels highly unlikely to me that infinity would limit itself to only my Matthew pov.

@Breakingthewall Leo would say, you are not just an eye of God, you are the totality of God. At the highest level only your awareness exists and you will recognize all of us are only figments of your mind. Where it gets very paradoxical is this will be the case for each one of us. I can't wrap my human mind around this. Leo says it's too complex to explain but he will address it in his upcoming course.

I agree. The challenge for me is there are other aspects of myself that are focused on things I have no conscious awareness of. If it was only the focus of the finite mind that was creating it would be a lot easier.

Part of the barrier for me is I as God have imagined myself in this very limited state and I don't know how to unimagine it. I guess I wanted to play the game of gradual evolution. I'm not looking for full God more but a permanent more expanded state would be very nice. I haven't discovered a way to achieve this yet. Only temporary shifts in state.

@JuliusCaesar I feel we should be able to stay interested in this waking dream after becoming lucid. Maybe even more so. In my sleeping lucid dreams shifting my state will change the environment. I feel a similar thing occurs in the waking dream too but sleeping dreams are more thought responsive and change faster so its very noticeable. I had an interesting experience recently. I had been meditating and chanting I am god for a couple hours until my state had shifted. Afterward I stopped by a store I shop at. Usually everyone there ignores me but that day everyone was treating me like I was a rock star. I just smiled to myself. I'm sure it was a reflection of my change in state. I would like to experiment with this more to see what can be achieved. I am certain our dominant state affects our reality. Another fun experiment I'm doing again is rehearsing conversations with people ahead of time. I've had some play out recently verbatim the way I rehearsed them in my mind. I love when that happens. It's a fun confirmation.

If we are always dreaming and waking reality is just another layer of the dream, then awakening and becoming lucid in this dream should give us some very interesting experiences. Does anyone have any they would like to share? How did your experience of the waking dream change for you after awakening and becoming lucid?

@Inliytened1 Perhaps separation isn't the correct word. But there is something going on. If infinite mind was right here where I am this body would disintegrate. I feel these topics are far more complex than we are able to comprehend from our human state of awareness.