Zen LaCroix

There is something to be said about going after what you want in life

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded communication, being in flow and much more

Owen says he loves pick up because it makes him more present to the moment than anything else even meditating It also forces you to be socially sharp in a way that social circle can't They were selling the bootcamps hardcore $5000 for 4 days. RSD still exists and that was made clear at the bootcamps. Few of the guys who follow Owen's stuff go super hard at pick up though. Almost all of the guys were stifled and not where they wanted to be financially, careerwise and datingwise. Some are married. I remember a guy at the free tour saying he was able to get his wife back after doing some pick up.

@NoSelfSelf Wow I can't wait to buy your course

@NoSelfSelf Some of the stuff Owen was saying he made very clear was not going to go on any video. This was him spitting his truth about getting massive results with women not something for the masses. He also basically said you can manipulate to get what you want but this is like the secret that everyone denies. I dont think you know more about game than Owen

I missed the second day where I heard from the others he did a deep dive into being delusional but these are some of my notes from Owen himself I'm not including what the other guys speaking said Womens #1 attraction trigger is Narcissism Women prefer a man who is confident for no reason than a man who is confident for a reason The art of game is to become a psychopathic narcissist Can't think any guy is better than you Must be delusional An active meditation that you're the shit Know that you can replace her Find something you really want to do that pisses you off that you can't do it Understand product creation or be an affiliate for someone else's product Understand sales and marketing at a high level Must know sales and marketing well Understand social dynamics You must have it as a goal and desire to be liberated, to be free Gotta have a hatred for your current life to change it Julien himself guided releases Dragon herbs Only really need 100k - 200k a month Need to be creating a personal brand so AI doesn't wipe you out Petty Motivation Day to Day Motivation Higher Purpose Be relaxed and piercing Fuck authenticity. Be what you have to be to get what you want Be authentic means be a 10 version of you and be a 10 version of that Authenticity is a half truth You can fake confidence 100% deliver the goods all the time Russian Turkish baths cold plunge

I went to the one in New York recently. They drag it out for hours and Owen doesn't come on till later. On the last day we had to wait until 3:40ish am for him to give his talk And he talks about game in a way more raw and direct way than he does in his online videos.

A few years ago I was going through some emotional pain and started getting into meditation through the meditation book “The Mind Illuminated”. I was also around stage Orange and Green in Spiral Dynamics. At the time meditation really helped me since I was going through a lot of a pain. Eventually after a few weeks I got over the pain and was still meditation for many months after that daily as a habit. I had the goal of spiritual enlightenment. I’m not really sure why that was my goal. I think it was because I was tired of emotional pain. After I started this meditation practice I started bing watching spiritual content, buddhist content and Actualized.org stuff. I was really inhaling Actualized.org content. Sometimes I would watch a video where Leo would say don’t take my word for it and I would actually get thrown off since I never even questioned the validity of what Leo said. And this goes for his videos, his blog and even the comments in the forum. I put him on a pedestal. I also put Owen Cook a self-help/ dating guru on a pedestal as well and believed everything he said. Not only that I felt like I had to follow bhuddist principles after reading and watching so much content on it. I was following a bhuddist meditation guide “The Mind Illuminated” so I felt like I had to take on the principles of the religion The truth about what was happening was this. I fell for the trap of spiritual bypassing. My life really wasn’t that good but I meditated a lot. I wasn’t a sad person but I wasn’t a happy person either. I had financial trouble. My dating life was practically non-existent and I had few friends and poor social skills. My life wasn’t progressing in any way besides my concentration and mindfulness which was getting sharper each month. That itself felt good. I ignored my crappy life and had the goal of spiritual enlightenment. I was using meditation to ignore other parts of my life and because of that it kept bugging me like a thorn in my side. I could have meditated while also improving my life but I didn’t and eventually I lost the desire for spiritual enlightenment and stopped meditating. I was spending a few years in New Zealand surrounded by a lot of Stage Green people. Eventually I had to face the fact that I have certain desires in life. I need to get my life back together. I need to fix my dating life and get a career going. I went back to Stage Orange and I no longer even resonated with Stage Green stuff anymore. Eventually when I would go back to consuming content from gurus like Owen Cook, Leo Gura and even celebrities, I no longer pedestalized them. Even now I look at these same gurus content now with some skepticism and I could see myself disagreeing with some of the things they say in their videos whereas in the past that would have never happened. I’ve started meditation again with the book “The Mind Illuminated” as a guide but I no longer feel like I have to follow an type of buddhist way of life or even subscribe to that philosophy at all. And I can now see the shadow side of buddhism. I’m now using meditation to keep me emotional centered when I have to face my fears and put myself in situations that would normally be emotionally painful. I’m prioritizing personal transformation over spirituality. And I’m using spirituality to help make the transformation of me as a person as well as my life easier

I was surprised when I met RSD Ozzie for a bootcamp and realized he didn't have good game and he certainly wasn't cool

@Someone here You say you have to be a man first not true. Getting good at game and getting laid by a lot of hot girls will make you a man

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It's also the high pitched "It was nice meeting you"

I stopped pursuing enlightenment when I realized I valued having excellent game and getting a lot of girls and sex way more. I realized I just wanted enlightenment for emotional stability. I also realized enlightened people as well as deeply spiritual people in general do not live lives that I want to emulate

It feels likes its too late in the game for him to to enter

He's actually a Trump supporter. The only time I've seen him get mad is when someone mentioned he had some privileges. That pissed him off. And when he talks about race on occasion and victim mentality on other occasions he seems highly irritated

Do you also see Alex Hormozi as toxic and delusional? He is currently one of the biggest guys in the market and sales space

I don't think you realize when guys care too much they can act weird and needy for validation. When a guy doesn't care he can be more casual and laidback in his interaction with women. When i say "don't care" I mean not caring about not getting rejected or getting validation from the woman. This way the guy can just talk to the girl as a human

I didn't mean it like that! What I am saying is you're gonna talk to one girl and make your wife most likely. You're most likely not gonna just talk to walk one girl and make her your girlfriend. Even if you aren't thinking about numbers like that generally to meet women there's a lot of socializing going on. You're meeting lots of people in general. So at some level its a numbers game since you're gonna be meeting lots of women

I don't think you realize that when guys really care they act weird. It's when a guy doesn't really care that he can be charismatic, social and just normal Also its not about acting like its a numbers game because it is a numbers game. But thats not the end all be all

Doing the approaches is playing the game. If you're not approaching you're not even playing the game

Leo I’ve heard you say that pick up is a low conscious activity and I don’t understand how? Most men want to sleep with girls and if they could they would sleep with a lot of them. Thats why famous people sleep with a lot of girls. The athletes in college threw parties and slept with lots of girls. Are the really good looking men, men with really good game and natural charisma who are naturally able to sleep with lots of women low conscious too? Are you saying sleeping with lots of women is low conscious or just the guys who have to learn this? I feel like it forces you to have strength as a man to force yourself to do those approaches. It requires a growth mindset. Requires a lot of letting go or endurance to consistently get your ego crushed. To experience these negative emotions when getting rejected and to overcome them to the point where you don't care anymore. I’m not there yet. It really forces you to be consistent Learning how to socialize with groups and relax in nightclubs and bars with groups. Dealing with groups of people, leading them, holding their attention, dealing with a person in the group who may not like you and similar obstacles. Doing whatever you can to pull the girl and not let obstacles get in the way. It forces you to get over any type of sexual repression. It completely changes the way you think and relate to women It takes so much growth and discipline to get good at this. The few guys I’ve met who learned to be good with women definitely stand out from the average man. They seem so alive, so awake as a human being. The best guy that I know was able to use his skills to move in with a former tech startup CEO even though he had no prior business experience. He was able to learn about business from that guy If pick up really is low conscious what am I missing? And what does it say about they women they sleep with?

It was nice to hear everyones perspective. Basically what I've gotten is that because the pursuit of sex is a survival based activity that's what makes it low conscious. But that doesn't make it an inherently bad thing. We all have survival needs and its our individual choice to live the type of lives that we want anyway

Lots of women enjoy sex that is rough and degrading both physically and verbally where they are made to feel like a sexual object

Of course they're thinking with their dicks. Pick up is about getting sex. We are not approaching women to read the bible with her Women also pursue men sometimes just because of the way that man looks. Women objectify too. Have you seen the way they react to "Magic Mike" and those Chippendales shows in Las Vegas I've realized everybody has different levels of ethics and what they consider bad or good. I feel as though as long as you are not forcing a girl to do something she doesn't want or using blackmail or coercion then your actions are ethical

Not necessarily true. If a guy doesn't know how to talk to women and can't get a girlfriend he has to learn