Zen LaCroix

One can be machiavellian and charismatic at the same time

At the free tour in 2024 they were selling bootcamps for $5,000. And Owen made it clear RSD is alive and well. They reel you in with wanting to see Owen but he shows up late. I did miss one day but on the first day he showed up two hour after the event started and Ibrahim was running it and on the last day he didn’t speak until 3:45 am and that was only for an hour. We waited that long to hear him talk. I remember on the first day Owen was telling us stuff that would never make it on a YouTube video and It was good stuff They make people come to the front of the room. Ibrahim or Owen somewhat dominates them when they are up in the front which makes them over think and crumbles their body language and voice even more. I think they know that by dominating you when you come up to the front that its gonna shut you down. When they have you up in the front you are essentially their puppy they can play with

RSD Ozzie was not a cool guy and his game wasn’t good. But his fear technology theory worked on some level. Approaching a girl in the largest group in the club can help desensitize you. It worked for me on the bootcamp. But he wanted me to stay with the girl for 2 minutes. I would get rejected after a few seconds at times and so I would walk away. He kept saying stay in for 2 minutes. But I had adrenaline gushing through me from that bootcamp from approaching big groups But Ozzie lacks social skills and is not a cool guy that gets a lot of girls. That was obvious even for me. He was giving me bad advice to keep a massive fake smile across my face. He also didn’t like to do the bootcamps I could see. It was just a job for him and approach anxiety in students annoyed him

RSD Derek showed up late. He looked down on us, didn't respect us and yelled at people. He spent so much time talking and he and his assistants left us to our own devices in the club. And if you asked for help they acted like you were bothering them. They pretty much lied to us up until the day before the bootcamp about there only being 3 students. I was shocked to find 11 students. And a bunch of other instructors. The energy was very cult like and they were all copying his personality too. Very weird. And if you asked a question that they thought was stupid it was very clear they were looking down on you. I thought it was weird they were acting this way since I spent $2500 dollars. We barely spent time in the club. I was hoping for someone to be by my side helping me to approach but no Derek was also trying to sell more bootcamps

As for RSD Max, RSD Derek and RSD Ozzie. What they don't tell you about the RSD culture between instructors and students is that a lot of the instructors look down on the students. They find your approach anxiety annoying to deal with. Also dealing with the company back then things have changes recently but in the past once you paid for a service say a bootcamp the customer service went to absolute shit. It would be easy to contact people and to speak to someone to buy a bootcamp but once you did it was like you couldn't find a person to speak to. The bootcamps are also not worth the money at all. You are seriously better off getting a wing who has good game

The Alex Hotseat was one of the most mind blowing things I had ever seen in my life in 2014 and to this day is one of the best $300 I ever spent. I literally felt gears in my mind shifting. I remember when it was over the issue I had of running out of things to say and being playful with women was completely gone. I then stopped going out so those problems came back since the learning wasn't solidified. Alex cam across as a fun playful guy with a lot of empathy. He actually spoke out against being an asshole to girls. A lot of us were nervous to talk to him and he eased our nerves

There is something to be said about going after what you want in life

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded communication, being in flow and much more

Owen says he loves pick up because it makes him more present to the moment than anything else even meditating It also forces you to be socially sharp in a way that social circle can't They were selling the bootcamps hardcore $5000 for 4 days. RSD still exists and that was made clear at the bootcamps. Few of the guys who follow Owen's stuff go super hard at pick up though. Almost all of the guys were stifled and not where they wanted to be financially, careerwise and datingwise. Some are married. I remember a guy at the free tour saying he was able to get his wife back after doing some pick up.

@NoSelfSelf Wow I can't wait to buy your course

@NoSelfSelf Some of the stuff Owen was saying he made very clear was not going to go on any video. This was him spitting his truth about getting massive results with women not something for the masses. He also basically said you can manipulate to get what you want but this is like the secret that everyone denies. I dont think you know more about game than Owen

I missed the second day where I heard from the others he did a deep dive into being delusional but these are some of my notes from Owen himself I'm not including what the other guys speaking said Womens #1 attraction trigger is Narcissism Women prefer a man who is confident for no reason than a man who is confident for a reason The art of game is to become a psychopathic narcissist Can't think any guy is better than you Must be delusional An active meditation that you're the shit Know that you can replace her Find something you really want to do that pisses you off that you can't do it Understand product creation or be an affiliate for someone else's product Understand sales and marketing at a high level Must know sales and marketing well Understand social dynamics You must have it as a goal and desire to be liberated, to be free Gotta have a hatred for your current life to change it Julien himself guided releases Dragon herbs Only really need 100k - 200k a month Need to be creating a personal brand so AI doesn't wipe you out Petty Motivation Day to Day Motivation Higher Purpose Be relaxed and piercing Fuck authenticity. Be what you have to be to get what you want Be authentic means be a 10 version of you and be a 10 version of that Authenticity is a half truth You can fake confidence 100% deliver the goods all the time Russian Turkish baths cold plunge

I went to the one in New York recently. They drag it out for hours and Owen doesn't come on till later. On the last day we had to wait until 3:40ish am for him to give his talk And he talks about game in a way more raw and direct way than he does in his online videos.

A few years ago I was going through some emotional pain and started getting into meditation through the meditation book “The Mind Illuminated”. I was also around stage Orange and Green in Spiral Dynamics. At the time meditation really helped me since I was going through a lot of a pain. Eventually after a few weeks I got over the pain and was still meditation for many months after that daily as a habit. I had the goal of spiritual enlightenment. I’m not really sure why that was my goal. I think it was because I was tired of emotional pain. After I started this meditation practice I started bing watching spiritual content, buddhist content and Actualized.org stuff. I was really inhaling Actualized.org content. Sometimes I would watch a video where Leo would say don’t take my word for it and I would actually get thrown off since I never even questioned the validity of what Leo said. And this goes for his videos, his blog and even the comments in the forum. I put him on a pedestal. I also put Owen Cook a self-help/ dating guru on a pedestal as well and believed everything he said. Not only that I felt like I had to follow bhuddist principles after reading and watching so much content on it. I was following a bhuddist meditation guide “The Mind Illuminated” so I felt like I had to take on the principles of the religion The truth about what was happening was this. I fell for the trap of spiritual bypassing. My life really wasn’t that good but I meditated a lot. I wasn’t a sad person but I wasn’t a happy person either. I had financial trouble. My dating life was practically non-existent and I had few friends and poor social skills. My life wasn’t progressing in any way besides my concentration and mindfulness which was getting sharper each month. That itself felt good. I ignored my crappy life and had the goal of spiritual enlightenment. I was using meditation to ignore other parts of my life and because of that it kept bugging me like a thorn in my side. I could have meditated while also improving my life but I didn’t and eventually I lost the desire for spiritual enlightenment and stopped meditating. I was spending a few years in New Zealand surrounded by a lot of Stage Green people. Eventually I had to face the fact that I have certain desires in life. I need to get my life back together. I need to fix my dating life and get a career going. I went back to Stage Orange and I no longer even resonated with Stage Green stuff anymore. Eventually when I would go back to consuming content from gurus like Owen Cook, Leo Gura and even celebrities, I no longer pedestalized them. Even now I look at these same gurus content now with some skepticism and I could see myself disagreeing with some of the things they say in their videos whereas in the past that would have never happened. I’ve started meditation again with the book “The Mind Illuminated” as a guide but I no longer feel like I have to follow an type of buddhist way of life or even subscribe to that philosophy at all. And I can now see the shadow side of buddhism. I’m now using meditation to keep me emotional centered when I have to face my fears and put myself in situations that would normally be emotionally painful. I’m prioritizing personal transformation over spirituality. And I’m using spirituality to help make the transformation of me as a person as well as my life easier

I was surprised when I met RSD Ozzie for a bootcamp and realized he didn't have good game and he certainly wasn't cool

@Someone here You say you have to be a man first not true. Getting good at game and getting laid by a lot of hot girls will make you a man

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It's also the high pitched "It was nice meeting you"

I stopped pursuing enlightenment when I realized I valued having excellent game and getting a lot of girls and sex way more. I realized I just wanted enlightenment for emotional stability. I also realized enlightened people as well as deeply spiritual people in general do not live lives that I want to emulate

It feels likes its too late in the game for him to to enter

He's actually a Trump supporter. The only time I've seen him get mad is when someone mentioned he had some privileges. That pissed him off. And when he talks about race on occasion and victim mentality on other occasions he seems highly irritated

Do you also see Alex Hormozi as toxic and delusional? He is currently one of the biggest guys in the market and sales space

I don't think you realize when guys care too much they can act weird and needy for validation. When a guy doesn't care he can be more casual and laidback in his interaction with women. When i say "don't care" I mean not caring about not getting rejected or getting validation from the woman. This way the guy can just talk to the girl as a human

I didn't mean it like that! What I am saying is you're gonna talk to one girl and make your wife most likely. You're most likely not gonna just talk to walk one girl and make her your girlfriend. Even if you aren't thinking about numbers like that generally to meet women there's a lot of socializing going on. You're meeting lots of people in general. So at some level its a numbers game since you're gonna be meeting lots of women

I don't think you realize that when guys really care they act weird. It's when a guy doesn't really care that he can be charismatic, social and just normal Also its not about acting like its a numbers game because it is a numbers game. But thats not the end all be all