Zen LaCroix

This is a personal bias though

Fair enough

Yea that's because they're men who get anxious about approaching women or the different aspects of meeting, attracting and having sex with women You're just talking about general anxiety. That's a different topic

What does this have to do with Dating, Sexuality Relationships and Family. This post is more fitting for the person development section. Good job on developing yourself

One can be machiavellian and charismatic at the same time

At the free tour in 2024 they were selling bootcamps for $5,000. And Owen made it clear RSD is alive and well. They reel you in with wanting to see Owen but he shows up late. I did miss one day but on the first day he showed up two hour after the event started and Ibrahim was running it and on the last day he didn’t speak until 3:45 am and that was only for an hour. We waited that long to hear him talk. I remember on the first day Owen was telling us stuff that would never make it on a YouTube video and It was good stuff They make people come to the front of the room. Ibrahim or Owen somewhat dominates them when they are up in the front which makes them over think and crumbles their body language and voice even more. I think they know that by dominating you when you come up to the front that its gonna shut you down. When they have you up in the front you are essentially their puppy they can play with

RSD Ozzie was not a cool guy and his game wasn’t good. But his fear technology theory worked on some level. Approaching a girl in the largest group in the club can help desensitize you. It worked for me on the bootcamp. But he wanted me to stay with the girl for 2 minutes. I would get rejected after a few seconds at times and so I would walk away. He kept saying stay in for 2 minutes. But I had adrenaline gushing through me from that bootcamp from approaching big groups But Ozzie lacks social skills and is not a cool guy that gets a lot of girls. That was obvious even for me. He was giving me bad advice to keep a massive fake smile across my face. He also didn’t like to do the bootcamps I could see. It was just a job for him and approach anxiety in students annoyed him

RSD Derek showed up late. He looked down on us, didn't respect us and yelled at people. He spent so much time talking and he and his assistants left us to our own devices in the club. And if you asked for help they acted like you were bothering them. They pretty much lied to us up until the day before the bootcamp about there only being 3 students. I was shocked to find 11 students. And a bunch of other instructors. The energy was very cult like and they were all copying his personality too. Very weird. And if you asked a question that they thought was stupid it was very clear they were looking down on you. I thought it was weird they were acting this way since I spent $2500 dollars. We barely spent time in the club. I was hoping for someone to be by my side helping me to approach but no Derek was also trying to sell more bootcamps

As for RSD Max, RSD Derek and RSD Ozzie. What they don't tell you about the RSD culture between instructors and students is that a lot of the instructors look down on the students. They find your approach anxiety annoying to deal with. Also dealing with the company back then things have changes recently but in the past once you paid for a service say a bootcamp the customer service went to absolute shit. It would be easy to contact people and to speak to someone to buy a bootcamp but once you did it was like you couldn't find a person to speak to. The bootcamps are also not worth the money at all. You are seriously better off getting a wing who has good game

The Alex Hotseat was one of the most mind blowing things I had ever seen in my life in 2014 and to this day is one of the best $300 I ever spent. I literally felt gears in my mind shifting. I remember when it was over the issue I had of running out of things to say and being playful with women was completely gone. I then stopped going out so those problems came back since the learning wasn't solidified. Alex cam across as a fun playful guy with a lot of empathy. He actually spoke out against being an asshole to girls. A lot of us were nervous to talk to him and he eased our nerves

There is something to be said about going after what you want in life

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded communication, being in flow and much more

Owen says he loves pick up because it makes him more present to the moment than anything else even meditating It also forces you to be socially sharp in a way that social circle can't They were selling the bootcamps hardcore $5000 for 4 days. RSD still exists and that was made clear at the bootcamps. Few of the guys who follow Owen's stuff go super hard at pick up though. Almost all of the guys were stifled and not where they wanted to be financially, careerwise and datingwise. Some are married. I remember a guy at the free tour saying he was able to get his wife back after doing some pick up.

@NoSelfSelf Wow I can't wait to buy your course

@NoSelfSelf Some of the stuff Owen was saying he made very clear was not going to go on any video. This was him spitting his truth about getting massive results with women not something for the masses. He also basically said you can manipulate to get what you want but this is like the secret that everyone denies. I dont think you know more about game than Owen