Zen LaCroix

Yea those are some negative effects that can be worked through. You're really not supposed to be value scanning. When it comes it comes to devaluing individual interactions it can give you that I don't give a fuck type of vibe and help your charisma come through when you don't really care about an interaction. In most interactions when a man approaches a woman on the approach the man cares more than the woman if the interaction goes well or not. It can can display great value and be very attractive when the man carries that nonchalance The best guy I knew at game who could pull multiple times in a day from day and night game went around trolling the girls he approached and they loved it. It was a sight to see. He would approach and the girls would try to instantly reject right on the walk up and he would just troll them and it was like a switch just flipped in their brain and they would become interested in a least who he was.

How does it make you crazy? I'm curious.

You don't have to be sold on the girl to go on a date with her. Many women go on dates with guys who they're unsure about. Men do it too. If you didn't find her attractive at all then that's a different story. Either way you should go. There is nothing wrong with doing this.

I thought guys just did this naturally. I know that I do.

Pick up can be spiritual. It will strip you of many of your mental weaknesses. You have to face what is probably your biggest fear public speaking/ public humiliation. And you will feel that. You have to take rejection and not learn to become indifferent. You develop control over your emotions and over yourself. Everytime you approach when you don't want to you develop more control over yourself.

I went on a Derek Moneyberg bootcamp for $2500. Before you signed up it said on the website there would be 3 to 1 instructor to student ratio. It was made to seem like there would only be 3 students and then Derek. After I paid for it I got my confirmation emails and it was clear that there would be more than 3 students. There were 11 students and we met in a private room in a steakhouse. Derek had a few assistants so the ratio was 3-1 in the end There were cultish vibes. He came in late and starting talking us. We spoke back and forth about what we wanted. We didn' t leave the steakhouse until about 1:00 am. the bootcamp officially ended at 1:30 am and we hadn't even hit the club yet. I remember being in the club and I was nervous to do an approach so I went up to one of his assistant instructors who was a bit dismissive. I remember him letting me know the bootcamp ends at 1:30 am. I was like what? we just got here! The whole point of me signing up for their bootcamp was because I thought they would push me to approach but they weren't helping guys in the club. The term bootcamp is just a marketing term On the second night Derek was sitting at a table with his girlfriend and all his assistants. The guys who paid for the bootcamps for standing around. I got an assistant to help me approach but that night I only did 2 approaches. Derek clearly looks down on his clientele and his assistants who try to be just like him act the same way. I remember asking a question and them looking at me like I was stupid when answering. I'm my head I was like wtf I did pay for this bootcamp. He kept going off on liberals and talking about his political leanings of being fiscally conservative and socially liberal. He had a lot anger in him it seemed. I learned a valuable lesson though. I realized noone can actually teach you game form the most part. Game is learned by taking action. You use the resources and surround yourself with guys who have good game to pick up their vibe and learn about game. However, to actually learn it meaning to have to have the behavior change you have to do it. For example you can go out with a guy who's game is great and see for yourself the importance of being unreactive. However, if you haven't trained yourself and your are a reactive person you will not be able to just be emotionally unreactive. You become that way through actions.

Why will they regret it? Also many women regret dating a guy years later after they've evolved and changed looking back in hindsight.

When you are at the free tour he sells his bootcamps directly to you. I'm not familiar with sales tactics but its pretty clear hes sells by psychologically dominating the people in the audience. He offers the bootcamp at the end of his talk and tells the people to go in the hall if they're interested in. There he gets the first batch of people who are super interested. Then he starts talking about the bootcamp and tells people if they just wanna hear about go in the hall. With the span of 2 - 3 minutes he becomes more and more intense and aggressive while not being pushy at all. He does not hide the fact that he selling he straight up tells you he's selling to you and even says come out and hear the pitch. You almost feel you have to do it. He sets the frame of stern father telling his kids what to do. When you go in the hall there's like 30 guys there and Owen pitching the bootcamp SPEAKING IN THE MOST INTENSE AND AGGRESSIVE FASHION YOU'VE EVER SEEN A HUMAN BEING SPEAK IN! It's probably very intimidating for some guys. He's completely psychologically dominating most of the guys there. And you've probably never in your life ever seen a human being speak with as much conviction and intensity as he does when selling bootcamps. It's EXTREME!

He claims to lose a lot of money doing free tours. He used some business acronyms to describe how. I'm not sure if he meant actual money lost or the potential of more money being made that is lost from doing free tours. I couldn't wrap my head around it because he's been booking cheaper and cheaper hotels to do these events and he fills his bootcamps up along with other sales but anyway I digress. Maybe it was some business stuff that just went over my head

How did you meet this girl?

This is where you confuse me with your ideas because you say there's only good and then you go on talking about people being being corrupted and overly materialistic and too focused on money, status, sex survival and just plain greed. How can this be true according to your world view of everything being good.

You take what you need to help yourself and discard what you don't need

Honestly ethics are personal I would've never considered this unethical. Celebrities do this all the time. You think they personally DM all the girls they talk to? Nope It's up to you

"Create a second personality" - Marczell Klein has a 10k MK Ultra style course where he claims to truamatize you and install an new personality into you. "You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief" - This is self explanatory. You need to fully believe in yourself and it should be clear in your communication. You should be speaking with full conviction and not an ounce of doubt "Unless you light a fire under your ass it ain’t gonna happen" - You will make excuses for why you can't go for your dreams. You will just end up procrastinating forever. And even if you do start you will dabble. You gotta go extremely fast. No rushed but take so much action to get from 0 to 1. Fire under your ass is a metaphor. If you don't go hard you just will not accomplish your dreams.

"Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now" - They basically said you will just waste time and always procrastinate your dreams. And even if you go after it you will just dabble and move too slow to make real change. You need a psychotic levels of momentum to change your situation when you're starting from 0. We have massive amounts of normalcy bias that will keep us stuck and not pursuing our dreams as if we really mean to make it happen "All change happens when you step out of your current identity" - The person you are now is what created the life you have. You need to take the right actions towards getting what you want and that will not be something you identify with. Ex. approaching lots of women can be a step out someones identity. Taking action towards your business goals etc. "Make love to every word you say" - Sid was teaching us how to sound confident, sexy and authoritative. This was just a metaphor. He wanted us to talk as if each word is a juicy buffalo wing. A lot of the event was about speaking loud and clear. "Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis" - Marczell Klein one of the speakers who also has a youtube channel by the same name is a hypnotist and pushes that the easiest way to change your life is to hypnotize yourself into being confident. Instead of taking years to build confidence hypnotism can make you confident and you now have the self-belief and sense of deservedness to get what you want in life.