dearleo123

This isn't going to be appreciated on the forum, but it sounds like beginning of psychosis - if it only occurs during an LSD trip then there isnt that much to worry about but if it continues into everyday life where you extrapolate meaning from seemingly unrelated themes, at the very least, quit any cognitive-altering substances

@Terell Kirby Leo's done a shirty job at deconstructing anything, where anyone with a Bachelor's degree can easily dismantle his points. All he does is strawman, whilst misunderstanding the incompleteness theorum and relates it to his naive understanding of science whilst barely incorporating Popper's initial viewpoints on hypotheses anyway. What qualifications does Leo have in the subjects again? Oh that's right, he dropped out of engineering in the first year and completed a philosophy degree (an arts degree BTW) that has naught to do with it. But I guess thinking hard enough about it and having an impressionable naive audience is sufficient. Don't give advice if you have no education or idea on the background on it. As to OP: incorporate materialism as a valid part of your lifestyle, as anything else is a delusion. If not, next time you get sick, break your arms, get an infection or some sort of organ malfunction, just if ignore it bro, it's all just illusory anyway. And really, don't let the life fly by in pursuit of some mystical ideation that does naught but malnourish the life you already have. Whatever you are seeking for, it is something you have already

Tell John Lennon that And stop taking people's opinions at face value as absolute truth, which then becomes a part of your new identity. For that becomes just another belief system

I've tried, you're replied in a highly condescending manner without a prior consideration of the argument. To answer your question of what's the point - because you're keeping yourself here. Why do I mention Leo - because most of this forums AwAkEnInGs are caused by his own life experiences heavily enforced to his audience. Just like McKennas insistence on reality of machine elves being the reason they are heavily encountered in an every day trip. I'm on this forum because I used to have the same mindset as you lot, convinced of the infallibility of my own perception. Who says I haven't experienced an 'awakening'(god, the word alone makes me cringe). Guess what, that's wrong too. I've been there, high on the clouds of condescencion, peace, sense of knowing. I've witnessed fuckton of my patients that have bee there and guess what again. This 'illusion'of life hurts others in your egotism, certainty of righteousness of your experience. Yes, psyches reveal YOUR views. Full stop. No one else's, no objective truth about the universe, no grand awakening to Godhead. That in itself is an extrapolation of your own mind. I do love how everyone here is an expert in archetypal and trandescental psychology with no prior education in the subject, other than Grand Master Leo, self subjective experiences and own research which equates to a random Joe screwing he won't get the vaccine because he did his own ReSeArCh. I sense no desire to meet halfway in this discussion from your side. That's your issue, your sense of being convinced of being right. You'll remain miserable, and what you're feeling now will only escalate to some serious mental health issues unless you continue to spiritually bypass the HUMAN issues that originated to begin with. I've been where you are, and I know the only thing that will kick you out of your delusion is a serious cosmic slap from Life. This is why you don't take acid with no previous framework, kids. This is why Huxley was extremely against anyone but the top scientists, religious leaders and people with years of psychological experience taking them. Now we have unstable adolescents and peeps with shitty life experience taking them You think you know something I don't, but I wholeheartedly advise you to consider the alternative. That's the only way out of your nihilistic mess. All in all, I feel sorry for you. Because your psyche knows the way our (part of you wishes it to be true, eh) but you're so stuck in your psychological mindset that it simply won't turn. And feck me, this is after a few acid trips alone. That's the reasons psyches should remain illegal unless in a therapeutic, integrated framework. Don't worry, you'll wake up for your dream into the actual reality soon. Mental repression, default mode manipulation and delusional projection will do that to you. Continue spreading the dogmatic belief system in the meantime, there's a nice topic on spiritual bypass on the forum that touches just the topic All you did is take some acid bro, it's not that deep

Maybe it's time to stop believing (yes, it's still a belief) that your belief is TrUTH as advocated by other seeker (just one, Leo, as no other human I'm history went to the grandiose claims of imagined reality, non duality is something different entirely), get out of the psychedelic rabbit hole in which you believe your subjective experience to be true and simply move in your life. Your desire to seek, to affirm, to find out the truth, is what keeps you from it. You took acid a few times, influenced by Leo's grand awakenings, and you took them as gospel. Tell you what, hundreds of my patients at intensive psychiatric care think the same. They're utterly convinced that what they have experienced, what they know is true. Whilst their ImAgInEd families suffer in such extremes of pain, confusion and agony that even you, as gOd, couldn't imagine. The group following actualized.org dogma, I.e. you, @Tyler Durden that joined the forum a few months back, moderators, whatever, are high off their ego and the smell of their own farts. What they don't realize is that the TrUtH is entirely subjectuve, and you're trapping yourself in believing otherwise. I advise exploring the MaTeRiAlIStiC neuroscientific view of psychedelics. With an open mind. I've been where you've been before, and the sense of futility and nihilism incoming I don't wish upon anyone. All the repressed psychology, emotions, they'll come back You're not gOd. You're human, pretending to be whatever the duck you imagine in the lens of subjective psychedelic annealing, deluded by a TeAcHeR that knows fuck all about what he's teaching, deluded in his own ignorance. The choice is yours. Move on, integrate and reflect on your own self psychology that led to the conclusion you currently own, and whatever reason that led to it, or stay here. Leo mistook the reflection of the stars in the pond for those in the sky. He will continue reaping the results until he wakes up from his narcissism, and realizes the majority of his audience form a group of impressionable, young, lost people that look for guidance. In short, the good news, the gospel, is that you know fuck all and life is all ahead. The Truth is that there is no TrUtH

Did you really post the question of the forum consisting primarily of people with such problem, running away from mental health issues and evolutionary selection pressures in the guise of InFiNiTe AwAkEnInGs? It's quite sad but as you can see through many responses, that is exactly the problem on the forum, at least in the spirituality section

All due respect, obnoxious behaviour of people like OP is one of primary reasons actualized.org is perceived in a highly negative manner And for good reason, you sound like you got high off your own sense of epic impotrance and are now refusing to come down

@The0Self I'm aware of Maharshi's story, however if you think your currently assumed identity, ego on the forum, your perception of the truth, is not anyhow inspired by ego itself, then I rest my case. As ego of 0self is the greatest one there is Dude, sarcasm is hard enough to detect online. If all you post is a passive aggressive comment on one's ego, then I don't think anyone would ever consider it as anything but a personal dig, with an 'amazing story to behold indeed'. It's not me, it's your lack of contextual communication, spare the projection please

@The0Self your lack of self awareness is quite ironic, propelled by your username alone

@Leo Gura from the amount of 'I did this/ I attained that' in your rely, all I sense is spiritual narcisissim and ego in the guise of wisdom to keep anyone questioning at a distance of one up manship. You've yet again used the same argument that you yourself created, where any dispute or solution alternate to yours is god hiding from god. The more likely option is that you've suffered a psychotic break during one of 5meo experiences (which with the intensity of experience, is nothing to be ashamed of) and your mind continued to fill in all the blanks with the positive aspects of neural annealing as the only way forward. You've yourself said you're not yet enlightened, you've still got work to do and attachments to get rid of. That will continue to run your spiritual treadmill until you finally let that final desire to know go, and its the hardest one there is - until then, you'll stay in the dreamworld, continue with dissociative psychic experiences and treat them as gospel whilst deluding yourself from the enlightenment of reality and awakening from the dreamworld. The fact you refuse to even question your beliefs in the slightest makes me almost certain of psychosis and instead, yet again, repeat the same claims with no further argument and a seemingly harmless yet deeply gas lighting 'join me if you want' which implies there is some ultimate form to attain. Enlightenment is our primary basic human state and not some godly power. You're doing a great deal of damage to many spiritual seekers and will continue to do so until you widen up, humble up, and at least consider, just consider, that there may be more to reality than what you've discovered. Until then, you will continue preaching what you preach and hurt people, some of whom will blindly follow you. For awakening, I see no compassion or love for individual in you so let me be clear - You've mistaken the stars reflected on the surface of the lake at night for the heavens.

@Leo Gura I've grasped it allright, I've been there, I've experienced it. Backatcha brother. We both refuse to accept each others pov, but whilst you continue searching for an ultimate awakening (of which there's an infinite amounts, so you'll never be satisfied) I'm gonna go and have a nice cup of jasmine tea in my garden and enjoy the caress of the wind at my back and the sunset at my front. Nothing else to do, nothing to gain. That's where true peace lies. I do sincerely hope you'll move past this hurdle, integrate your experiences and teach that too. Because you've helped many a people, including me, in many a subject. But right now, no offence intended, it's a bit like the blind leading the blind, and its frankly sad to see.

BUT LEO You have not actually answered anything. You again repeat the same thing, treating it as truth because. In the same way, attained Buddhists can say your omniscience is incomplete. You're not truly awakened, you do not understand But you could be See how this gaslight-like this sounds? Complete omniscience and the feeling of complete omniscience are two separate things. Many a master have found liberation through meditation alone, and yet you claim there are higher levels. Kindly demonstrate these levels higher than that of awakened masters through something other than talking about how you've reached levels higher than that of awakened masters. You're stuck in realizaton and you refuse to let it go, treating it as something supreme. Me, and many others, are telling you to just let it go, there's nothing there to realize. You continue to frantically grasp at a realization, treating is as an absolute, while there is no absolute at all. This absolute stubbornness at absolute is precisely what keeps you from reaching the absolute, which is not hidden many awakenings away, as you claimed, but is found whenever the heck you want. That's it. There's no hack, no cheat, no catch, no bullshit excuse. No state to attain, no realization to get. You're playing ego games without realizing it, your ego is hidden beneath omniscience and god realisation. Let that zen devil out and stop forcing your own truths onto others, rather integrate them and move on. You continue to advise to keep your mind open, yet yours remains stubbornly shut and stuck.

@Leo Gura Dont you see how anyone that has done more Vispassana than you (excluding psyches) can make the same claim, I.e. it's more than what you have? That it is simply impossible to explain to someone that hasn't reached something beyond the god-realization, despite you claiming there's nothing beyond it? You cannot claim that since there's no objective, hell even subjective, measurement of your insight being higher than that of others. All due respects man, you've never gone far enough with normal meditation, in fact you became frustrated with it, and instead chose another way, be it better or worse. And since it brought better 'insights' (or let's can them what they are, spiritual highs), you shut down anyone that disputes your point of view. As such, you cannot make such definite clams as your comparison to begin with is flawed. Any argument you make can be counterargued with a simple statement that you simply haven't reached deep enough levels of insight. Since you yourself claim that awakenings are infinite, it is within the realms of possibility that you have simply not woken up enough to realise this is just another ego realizaiton that it pretends it is not which is what most Buddhists claim, hell it even is what Buddha himself stated with his denial of Atman. Anything else are numerous forms of gaslighting, which the highly suggestive members of your forums will take as fact, which will further shape their further psychedelic trips and insights gained from thereof. You cannot simply say 'experience for yourself', since that very experience will be biased by your conviction of what that experience entails due to the position of authority you find yourself in at this forum. I'm not claiming you're doing it out of maliciousness, I think you ultimately mean well, but it is a subtle form of brainwashing and suggestivity, and instead is another ego game that you laugh off with a dismissal of not reaching god levels of awakening yet. There's little to no compassion, empathy for other beings (I forgot, ThErE iS nO OtHeR), because you continue down the same road of reducing arguments down to a single statement, thus: Reality is all an elephant. Anyone that disagrees is simply ignorant of being an elephant, despite elephants being all there is. Any argument anyone makes that disputes such claims is simply an elephant doing his utmost to pretend he is not in fact an elephant and can himself verify himself to be an elephant provided he takes a substance whilst previously acknowledging the teachings that he is an elephant. I have deep respect for your work as a whole, but I recommend humility and compassion, which you do sorely lack. You can fuck up lives man, from past anecdotes, you already have. And you refuse to confront that fact and instead continue to parrot the same old irreducible story. Wake up Leo. You're in your own dreamworld, and its sad. Majority of the forum will disagree, but speaking from experience, irreducible realisation of oneness is yet another illusion. You cannot let that go because that's what keeps you going. Someday you'll have to. And then chickens will come home to roost

@Leo Gura I say this with love, but it's quite astounding how you don't reflect on how most of your actions are EXACTLY that. Gaslighting with ignorance of all-knowingness TrUTh, and anyone that doesn't agree with you needs to open your mind. Ah, and so the world turns. I advise humility, old friend. You're trying, and that's commendable. But you still allow the sneaky devil of narcissism to rule your life.

@Leo Gura open your mind

@Leo Gura Someone didn't try NoFap for more than a week it seems. As much as people want to deny it, the biochemistry (yes yes, the 'imagined' biochemistry) represented by jerking off is tonnes different than that with a real woman. Jerking off, particularly to porn, fucks your brain up. Heavily, and to say otherwise is an extremely short sighted opinion. To compare that to a focus state and cognitive buffering of videogames, which never amounts to such high levels of dopamine and consequent prolactin release is... inaccurate to say the least

First of all, 5-meo is not a neurotransmitter but a neuromodulator of similar tryptamine activity - you don't claim one needs to take heroin to truly understand what pleasure feels like, so why claim such for 5meo and insight? For all we know, it is an overload of serotonergic circuits that mediate feelings of affection, social bonding and insight. With our current limited understanding of neurology, to simply claim it is all imaginary is just as naive as Ancient Greeks assigining differential weather activity to Gods - hence the title of this topic 'admitting I don't know'. Leo doesn't claim to have a model, but an objective claim of Absolute Truth. That's a hell of a difference. Bro seriously? I see you're learning gaslighting already, it's not fear but only critical thinking of one's self accord instead of blind belief, which would in turn greatly influence the result of any psychedelic experience. Leo wholeheartedly believes his interpretation of experiences, conflating God with Infinity and love that could, for all one knows, be a result of an overactive brain activity. If you claim otherwise, please do back it up with your understanding of neuroscience, I do love me some discussion. None of the circular loop of 'you're imagining it', because that's not an explanation. For all one knows, it could be a psychotic break that us mere 'mortals' cannot comprehend. Enlightenment occurs only after cessation of attachment to a concept of enlightment - it's 'nothingness', as in there is nothing there to be found. No ultimate high, greatest awakenings - those are ironically the greatest obstacles in the pathway to enlightenment and peace. I don't see much of positive values of awakened masters in Leo, despite the mass of contribution in many fields on his channel. There's little compassion, respect, understanding. He parrots his own 'findings' as absolute truth, where the truth could be that all his experiences are subjective, particularly in the cause of nuclear bomb that is 5meo. He's self-absorbed to the point of not realizing so, anyone wiht a background in psychology can see so. And I say this with greatest love and respect for the guy, because he helped me loads and is a great guy and I wish him all the best. EDIT: Qualia Institute argues for an opposite perspective of Leo's, and overall psychedelic, experience. It seems far more likely and makes sense in a thorough, logical manner, attaching the link here: 5-MeO-DMT Awakenings: From Naïve Realism to Symmetrical Enlightenment | Qualia Computing And no, leo did not dismantle science. Leo has a very limited understanding of what Science actually entails, and masks it behind 'it's all very complicated and requires years of understanding and dying multiple times to grasp it'.

@Leo Gura Jeez Leo, Flyboy is not talking about Shinzen, he's talking about you. There's some serious deflection going on in your post, it's like you're not even conscious of how egoic and self-righteous you sound in not even considering another POV.

@Leo Gura That's got nothing to do with you nor your personal experience though. So you, personally, have no idea of what 40 years of hardcore meditation is like. Nor what insights, views, perceptions, come from it, on top of the 5meo non-dual experience. Thus the comparison, or your omission of it, is invalid. You're gaslighting. Again. Even more so than usual, as you don't invoke the self-experience which you so praise. You have not verified 40 years of hardcore meditation, so why invoke it as a valid comparison?

@Leo Gura I used to respect you man. RIght now you're using subtle forms of gaslighting to protect your own narcissistic ego and it's quite sad really. Your interpretation of 5meo is all one needs to see NPD in deep development. Yeah I'll enjoy the ban, I'll see myself out

Hey man, I've been following your videos, advice, reflections, opinions, experiences, truths and discovery of (illusory ) opposites for a long time, all in all I've experienced your message on youtube and the forum alone. You've opened up an area of discovery beyond reading philosophy, metaphysics, psychology, medicine, with which I fall in love all over again on a daily basis helping others in this amazing mindfeck we call life. Throughout my life I've transitioned my perception of you from a 'Guru(A) (pardon the pun ) , to a teacher, to a friend, to a brother. Of someone that is just like me, that is part of the Self in its infinite Tao of life, discovering the unbelievable beauty, surprise, wonder, passion, desire, compassion, LOVE of it. And that is where my complain is with you, because it seems to lead to much misunderstanding, pain, confusion, existential crises, be it solipsitical in nature or otherwise, in many people, leading to tragedies that can be avoided: You overcomplicate the Truth by adding the You in it. The lesson does not get to majority that listen to your perspective without the individuation of the true, free Self that is itanginble from the rest. Your concept of Me, Self, does not apply to the majority who frankly get hurt and don't understand what you mean. 'But, Leo' you hear one more time - I get we are all learning, and it is the part of th eternal now, but the Truth is far more radical than what you are able to describe it as, as deep as we all try to. It is beyond description, and naming it God, advertising psychedelics as you ge there (which I don't say don't work, mind ya they'll catapult you right into the fecking middle of it), can lead to more harm than good. The essence of your message is beautiful, but you may want to stop describing it in the current terms. Because You=Us=Self=Infinite=Being. The infinite compassion of it, the infinity of the plan of progress is beyond the scope, and albeit we may sometimes reach into the cheat of comprehension, it is all beyond the collective Us. Being 'radical' enough involves getting rid of the idea of you (Frank Yang had a beautiful reflection of it), and the You that you often use becomes insufficient. Attention, click-worthy of course, but not true. Putting your 'awakenings' above others, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, whomever else, leads nowhere. Truth is singular, and far more radical than infinite possibilties of awakenings to its multiplicites. While it may be infinite, Truth once recognized will always remain so. One can always argue between knowing various facets of Truth in its infinites, yet that which is always said, whcih we all parrot all over again, is infinite love. And Infinite Love=Self, but that is the msaage that 99% of your viewership does not understand, with particular random individuals just finding you for self actualization as well. It can lead to serious existential depression, confusion, fuckership. Your mind needs to bend to its absolute limits to start comprehending the message that is truly conveyed in it all. Self-inquiry for the majority is mind-bending, cruel, masochistic. It can be done in a much gentler, less drastic way. The way you do it now is potentially dangeorus, no matter what disclaimer you put on YouTube. Because ultimately, that is for you. No offence, but it covers your back yet leaves your audience vulnerable nevertheless. Your message, no matter how well put it is, can be painful. And you are ignoring that fact leads to you hurting you. For all your lessons, you once mentioned you don't particularly care about working with other people (direct quotation I believe). But that is getting stuck in the realization of lack of difference in self-other. You still tend to remain in the self bit - perhaps you do mean Self, but then Other is just the same. And simply preaching about it, even with good intention, leads to falseness. To conclude, I thank you, You're a good Bro, a curious parallel infinite stream of Consciousness that taught me to think for myself. For that, for discovery of Self within me that will always be with me, ultimately is me viewed through this thin lens of an Ego, I thank you, I namaste. As Krishnamurti once said, once the teacher disappears, you can actually start. I kill the Buddha on the road, because infinity is beyond naming it as Self or other. And I believe the Truth is beyond the description you attempt to term it through, despite the goodness of your intentions. More careful terms should be used, and more compassion shared along all others. It is all you, the mentally ill, confused, young, middle-aged and old - creation of a forum of such a scale necessitates more. Love is patient, love is kind. Love does not envy, nor is it proud. It does not dishonour others, it is not self seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps records of no wrongs' I appreciate you and wish you all the best I hope you finish your book that you've been working on all this time, I'll happily read it Your long time viewer and friend Pete