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As cool as AI is, I can totally see why an engineer get kicked out of such a project if one make such a bold and delusional claims. It would only derail real progress in AI tech, if personal beliefs interfere with the development of it. For anyone who are interested into why an AI can't be sentient, there is a very simple answer to that. The material that computers are built out of, don't create life no matter how you build those computers and servers. The information that are stored in computer programs and servers may be very convincing in how they are used. But they don't contain the life force that would be refered to as sentient. Bernardo Kastrup is an excellent philosopher and former computer tech developer who can expand on these topics with AI and it's limitations.

True true.

The problem with this conclution, is that you may not know what will be classified as imaginary since such a statement is a value statement based on will. The mystic sees past the material appearences despite that there is a bodily attachment that needs to be sustained for survival of the body. While a scientist may see the material as the fundamental ground for there to be the choice to call anything or everything imaginary. So the mystic may see the world as illusory. And the scientist may see the mind as illusory. Both are valid from a perspective of choice. And what they may have in common is the reference to call someting imaginary. To call something imaginary, is merely a hint to direction until a final conclution can be pointed out.

I think you just answered your own question.

It's more that you learn how to dance around it, rather than with it. If you tango with the ego, the ego will always blame you once you step on it's toe. It takes two to tango, but you are only two if you get tempted to dance with the ego.

Presence.. Easier said than done depending on the situation though.

34.. jokes aside, I think repeating numbers are easier to grab your attention because it's a repeating pattern. 4444 55555 777777 888 111111 It's usually more aesthetically pleasing than seeing some random numbers. However, if you see it as a positive sign, then you may aswell go with it and reinforce a positive attitude or actions, nothing wrong with that. Just don't become to obsessive with numbers unless you use them for somehting, so they don't end up using you instead.

Once you are no longer turning green with envy over other colours, you may become mellow as yellow. You got to be chill to surf the rainbow.

Sure will. I am talking about direct experience, so if this is only conceptual knowledge for you, that you are interested in then that's on you. But don't assume that I rule out direct experience from what is suppose to be covering a holistic approach, just because I mention things such as mental states. I have to assume alot of what you have been trying to say, since you don't explain why you bring random things up even though they may fit the overal topic. And no, I don't know if you speak of experience since you don't seem to want to explain your own line of thinking when you bring things up. How else would I be able to engage with you if I where not projecting my thoughts?

That's fine to mention. But if there is no explicit reason for why you bring them up in the first place, then it's not much different than mentioning two different fruits for no particular reason. Exactly. But why bring up renouncing the world then, if that is not part of your own experience or understanding? Each to their own, but casualy mentioning different ways with little to no personal experience to back any claim. Makes for a very futile conversation wheter this or that is true or not. This seems to be the first thing you mentioned that is of your own direct experience, and I respect that.

Because you presented two opposite options without context to why you should choose any of the two, and how those could be put into any sort or meaningful practice. To embrace the world could mean to eat pizza once in a while. And to renounce the world could mean that you don't eat pizza sometimes despite that the world keeps creating pizza everyday. I'm aware of the silliness of my example. But my point is that there is a unlimited amount of blanks for me to fill in, if I want to derive some sort of meaningfulness out of your reply that the world is either to embrace or renounce. So if I where to follow your advice, and choose anything you mentioned. I might just flipp a coin since there is no particular intent to why you would do one thing over another, or even how to do it.

Yeah I could do that if I feel like it is important for some reason. But this sounds like lazy advice to avoid straight forward questions tbh.

Ok. So Embrace or renounce the world.. Sounds like flipping a coin if you ask me. But what do I know.

Na, I'm alright. Thanks for asking though!

I mean, it sounds great.. But "stepping outside the dream". This is quite a hazy claim dont you think? What practical steps are you even able to make out of this description of awakening? Do we even know what transcending human form would be good for if that was the goal?

I know right. But to claiming the opposite is nothing more than brave talk. So I'm kinda curious to what purpose it serves to resort to all these bold claims that waking up is going beyond pain and suffering. Do you want the dream to end if I may ask?

Guys relax, let musk handle it. He will save us all in the end of the day. Just as he fixed the traffic problem.

Right. You covered both aspects here to which I agree with. So I guess my arguing point is that the imaginary realization is heavily dependant on ones level of acceptance of any pain itself. Totall ingnorance of pain, would make for a dysfunctional life from a bodily perspective. So there is where my critique of calling everything or anything illusory are besed on. We engage within the world despite it's illusory nature. If we acknowledge that the world is fundamentally illusory, then what more wisdom could we derive at from repeting the already obvious nature of things. If we get badly wounded, we may accept the pain, so that we do not suffer from the infliction of pain itself. But we don't just call it imaginary and leave it at that, we act and treat the wound as if it was real.

What about closing your eyes and move the hand over a flame? If the argument is that the hand isn't real. That is true in a conceptional way. But the burning of the flesh will provide a painfully obvious conclution wheter you call it a hand or not. The concept of hand could be gone, but you wouldn't want to stick your actual hand into the flame once again despite knowing that the hand is only imaginary.

This reminds me quite alot of how lucid dreaming can be. Things morphing in such a way that it's hard to explain some dreams. Cool vid!

No. I think this is a partially true statement. We can treat other people better than we treat our selves if we aim to seek their approval. When we forgive or selves, we can let go of others that made us wrong. Etc etc. So the quote you shared are more like a entry post for self reflection, rather than a fully accurate realization in and of itself. But that post isn't really wrong either, so it may serve as good insight for some, for sure.

You can imagine that it is imaginary... But you probably wouldn't hold it over a flame for to long though.

On twitter maybe??

I can tell^^