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@Ezo explain. Why did Infinity or God create itself or reality and what is the origin of it all?

@Christoph Werner best Psych for this? It’s like the OP’s nervous system is the twin brother of mine’s.

I'm gonna share with you my thoughts and experience on this video combined with the Solipsism one (which I watched before Leo took it down). Yesterday night I reached new levels of terror and panic contemplating my bubble of consciousness being all that there is. That there is no Universe, no planet Earth, no science or biology, heck not even my damn house since I can't perceive it in its entirety at any given moment, and most importantly, no other people. Simply put, no external world. At one point after deconstructing my mind and looking at my hands I actually realized how weird it was that they existed, or that I had a POV at all. Watching my hands felt very bizarre but I didn't have any profound revelation about me being God, although it felt kinda obvious at that point, it's like it was at the back of my mind and didn't really move me. Things got even harder to manage once Leo started saying that there were no others out there and that only my bubble of consciousness exists, next 2 hours were really hard for me mentally. He also said this in the Solipsism video. And what am I supposed to make of that anyway? 1. Leo is a completely deranged individual with a big audience, spreading a message that could end lives. 2. It's the Truth. If it is number 2, honestly, it's a never-ending curse, and that shit terrifies me. How am I supposed to cope knowing that not even my family is real? (in the sense of them having a POV and sentience). That everything is an outright lie. Not an illusion, which I already knew (and is a million times more preferable), but a complete lie. Being completely alone forever no matter what limited form God chooses to imagine. Just the infinite fooling itself for eternity in order to cope. Why can't infinite intelligence find a way to split itself? But you know, it doesn't make sense. It is already able to hide aspects of itself from me; notice that I'm not currently omnipotent or omniscient, let alone infinitely loving. Isn't this literally the biggest, most irrefutable argument against perspective/limited-bubble bound Solipsism? If it can hide that much from me, why wouldn't it be able to hide the perspective of every other human? Seems idiotic to think the opposite; you know, that it's just me, and that now I found out, I'm wishing Space X's Starship would fall from the exosphere and crash land on top of me. I just could never bear the thought of my POV being all there is and ever will be. Living in this shithole as an underage coal miner in Asia **with others**, and giving away my omnipotence and omniscience forever is infinitely more preferable. Eternally alone, living a total lie in limited form is the biggest nightmare one could endure. At least while knowing it. Why tf did God allow me to even entertain this thought as actuality rather than just some horror fantasy? I'd imagine an infinitely loving being would've kept on fooling me indefinitely. Then Leo uploads the Infinity of Gods video and now I don't know what to think. Why would you tell people watching your video that they're all alone in limited form and then come up with "oh wait, actually there's an infinite amount of you and your bubble isn't all that exists, but yes, they're still all ultimately you". Like telling us that it's just our perspective in the first place is trippy enough because in doing so you're implying that you yourself are not real anyway, and then you come up with this other Infinity of Gods thing, and so I wanna ask you, why say something so baloney when you're well aware of your own existence/bubble of consciousness? (Even if in limited form) and therefore making your claim nonsensical.

Lol, actually made me giggle

@Leo Gura I got distracted with other stuff in my post and totally forgot what I made this post for in the first place. Actually, what I came here to do was ask you whether what you meant in the Guided Exercise video was just a technique to get us to experience the raw present moment and you didn't actually mean what you said as truth, or if you were actually being serious about the whole deconstructing thing? P.S. Nvm, got the answer. Thank you, Leo. It is what it is.

Yeah, the problem with that is this is the kind of thing you can't really unsee, so the only thing that will really give me lasting peace (or not) is to verify it experientially. I have no problem with being God absolutely speaking, or having everyone else be me. What I have a problem with is my bubble of consciousness being ALL that there is. I don't even mind that the outside world doesn't exist unless I'm conscious of it. In fact, this goes according to quantum physics. I'd read before how particles are always in a superposition and take one definite position only when there is a conscious observer, which is actually cool because that makes up for a lot of possibilities. The thing I didn't expect was to be told that my human self is the only conscious observer no matter where I'm at. That's scary. It means there are no imagined humans somewhere else in the world reading and typing stuff back on their computers. Means I'm living an outright lie and that I'll always suffer from existential aloneness. That whatever connections I make in this life or any other will always be completely fake. Sorry but there is no healthy integration of this one Leo, like @Someone here said below, true POV solipsism kills you no matter how you flip it. You just can't as a human endure that, it goes against our biology, even if that too is fake. “Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.” - Otto von Bismarck I heard this one many many years ago but it stuck with me (it was worded a little differently though). I'm not trying to adopt religious thinking, but I'd be damned if I took as nothing more than hearsay what someone who has tripped over 200 times has to say. I think it'd be fair to say he knows a thing or two, and won't be completely off with what he has to say. Maybe I need to be more present, yes, but I doubt that'd change how I feel about being all alone indefinitely. I mean think about it, the solution is to shut my mind off. Doesn't seem like a very healthy solution but hopefully I get through this happily on the other side.

It's either really obvious or you just can't tell, no middle ground there because a lot of men come off as weird to women in general for various reasons and in the end, they might be harmless or could also have a mental illness. Do you suffer from anxiety or have some sort of trauma around relationships or similar? Since there are like a million other things you could go through that are equally as scary if not scarier, why is that one more presently in your mind?

It's not about what I think or wish to think, it's about what Leo said. What someone who's had way too many trips to count has to say is probably a lot more than just an opinion. Come to think of it, I'm gonna make a post about it.

This whole thread is making me want to stick a loaded Glock up my palate even more than I did yesterday, to which I'd thank Leo's "Guided Exercise For Realizing You Are God". Yesterday night I reached new levels of terror and panic contemplating my bubble of consciousness being all that there is. That there is no Universe, no planet Earth, no science or biology, heck not even my damn house since I can't perceive it in its entirety at any given moment, and most importantly, no other people. Simply put, no external world. And what am I supposed to make of that anyway? 1. Leo is an absolute nutjob with a big audience, spreading a message that could end lives. 2. It's the Truth. If it is number 2, honestly, it's a never-ending curse, and that shit terrifies me. How am I supposed to cope knowing that not even my family is real? (in the sense of them having a POV and sentience). That everything is an outright lie. Not an illusion, which I already knew (and is a million times more preferable), but a complete lie. Being completely alone forever no matter what limited form God chooses to imagine. Just infinite fooling itself for eternity to cope. Why can't infinite intelligence find a way to split itself? But you know, it doesn't make sense. It is already able to hide aspects of itself from me; notice that I'm not currently omnipotent or omniscient, let alone infinitely loving. Isn't this literally the biggest, irrefutable argument against perspective/limited-bubble bound Solipsism? If it can hide that much from me, why wouldn't it be able to hide the perspective of every other human? Seems idiotic to think the opposite; you know, that it's just me, and that now I found out, I'm wishing Space X's Starship would fall from the exosphere and crash land on top of me. I just could never bear the thought of my POV being all there is and ever will be. Living in this shithole as an underage coal miner in Asia **with others**, and giving away my omnipotence and omniscience forever is infinitely more preferable. Eternally alone, living a total lie in limited form is the biggest nightmare one could endure. At least while knowing it. Why tf did God allow me to even entertain this thought as actuality rather than just some horror fantasy? I'd imagine an infinitely loving being would've kept on fooling me indefinitely.

Oh, gotcha. It's so obvious what you meant to say now that I re-read your post. My bad lol.

How does this mind/Infinity decide what "could" exist and what couldn't?

Why is that? If perspective-bound Solipsism *isn't* a thing, then you have a lot of people who haven't got a clue and would be eager to hear you, even if they're ultimately you. If you told me this 3 years ago, for example, I would've been like "uhh what?". So in that sense, there are people to share the news with indeed. I mean, what difference would it make if others were not ultimately you? Everything would be the exact same way, and you wouldn't know it.

Damn, what chemicals are we talking about? I'm interested. @Leo Gura chime in fam.

Why do you keep framing it like this instead of just saying "they're ultimately you". As long as they have a POV, it'd be better to say "they're real/imaginary in the same way that you are" to avoid misconceptions. Sometimes you get us thinking that our perspective is the Absolute and not just an infinitesimally small part of it. Honestly, I'd like to know why you feel this way despite being aware of how wildly different from you they can be. This is why the whole "others are you" thing hasn't really changed me much, if at all. Since Infinity is unknowable and an infinite mystery, "others" could be represented in a way that your character literally couldn't make sense of, and apart from that, you'll never fully understand yourself as God, which means others could be anything at all. And that doesn't necessarily mean that they are you since we don't even know what you are. You could say though that they're made from the same thing you are made of perhaps? Idk but this God thing seems infinitely impersonal to me. Watch out for it becoming an ego thing is my advice.

My bad for not responding to this sooner. This is such an easy way out of any argument... "but Infinity" yeah what about it? Everything can be reduced to nothing and with Infinity, paradoxes are valid so it doesn't make sense to bring it up when we're discussing stuff within the relative domain. I also don't remember saying much at all about Infinity or that being the center of my response. I'm well aware of what you're saying, so no, I didn't really contradict myself. Again, I'm talking about the world and Spirituality's relevance in it, so either you didn't get it or I didn't express myself as clearly as I should've. I'm attached to what I experience and have no control over. If changing my perspective changed the outer world, like literally and not just that I will now perceive it as I see fit, I would drop my current one and adopt a new one without any resistance. Well, you didn't even define what the Higher-Self is to you so I just took what I know about it in regards to its New Age load of bull definition, which in my opinion is completely irreverent. I do get it, as far as I'm capable of. I've already mentioned precisely this in the past in one of my posts here actually. Perhaps, but what are we supposed to make of this? Solipsism? Are you telling me that if I don't think anyone will ever hurt me they won't? How is it that I can override their free will in the way that I'd like to? You've been making a lot of incorrect assumptions about me. I get that as well, only when you unlearn what you've been taught is when you can open up to something completely different that you had been rejecting or overlooking all along; and this can be applied to anything. It's the same concept of becoming absolutely nothing, and therefore being everything.

Ngl this is one of your less good posts. Primarily because these 2 situations can only be taken so far. Ok, in this scenario you could choose to ignore them or give them a genuine compliment (if you can perceive one) to throw them off or move them. Yes, it could work and is probably the best course of action. Now, as someone who got brutally bullied in middle school by the children of criminals in a country where they don't usually get punished, the types who are commonly insulting others are very easy to trigger, because they're always angry and therefore always looking for trouble, as a form of releasing the anger on someone or something. If you ignore them, they'll probably take it to the next level, because you're not giving them the time of the day, and if you give them a compliment, they'll take it as you taunting them, because "How on earth could someone give me a compliment when I've always been a piece of shit to them? They're either scared and wanna cool me off or are trying to pretend like they're unfazed by me; like they're not actually shitting themselves because of me. Well I'll show them that they're wrong". This is their thought process, believe me, I would know. Your whole scenario is based on a mature person who's having a bad day and will know when to stop him/herself. This is normally not the case. Onto scenario number 2: Ok, I suppose if no longer having the thing that was stolen won't put you in a tough position financially or otherwise, you can learn to let go. I guess in this particular scenario even if it put you in a rough condition, if you don't know who stole it then it only makes sense to move on because that's the only thing you can do. If you knew who did it, then perhaps you should call the police. If it's very valuable and worth putting your life in danger for then you could try to find a way to get it back. This "forgive my self" nonsense is most likely not the right move. See, the reason the lens of this alleged "Higher Self" is just stupid and of no value is because it can just as easily be turned the other way around and be just as valid, because, isn't it all ('all' as in everything) love at the end of the day? Destroying the person's life is the exact same as forgiving them. What you're doing with this discourse here is filtering and distorting "Love" through the ego-lens to turn it into what the ego considers love and not taking it as what it actually is, and then you're using that distorted version and taking it back up into the Absolute domain as a sort of higher teaching that this higher-self personified being would see it as, when an actual higher teaching would be that either way it doesn't matter. You could forgive him and give him all your belongings and it's no different than if you killed him. Add to this the fact that (like you said) it'll never end, and doing either what humans filter as right or wrong is just as meaningless and not actually better or worse. Your 2 hypothetical scenarios are just exemplifications of someone's privileged life where things usually go right. This is not reality. The only takeaway from Spirituality there is, is that as long as you live, it'll eventually just come full circle and you'll be right back where you started. I can guarantee there will be no point where you'll willingly let a Psychopath tear off your limbs for his pleasure without any sort of resistance, and you'll forgive him because he's you. Idgaf if the entire world is me because practically speaking it doesn't mean anything. It means less than that in the larger scope of things. If you're trying to come for me or my family I'll tell you what, you better not fail. No, I won't forgive you for trying to kill me, if anything just pray that saner heads prevail and I don't kill you right there and then and instead call the police. This is exactly the problem with all these higher-type teachings; if you can see through them, you know they're just feel-good fallacies made up by humans. God is too unlimited for morality. It enables everything. Heck, in reality, since everything is ultimately nothing, other people are neither me nor are they not me. They just ARE. Do you not get it yet? GOD ENABLES EVERYTHING. That's why the world is majorly so damn fucked. You think the higher-self judges and categorizes actions like some wise old man. HAHAHA, ludicrous. It doesn't, and it couldn't care less. That's just you doing it, for comfort I guess. Listen, I'm not trying to shit on your parade. It's just that so many aspects of reality are so hard to digest that people just gravitate towards these kinds of teachings as a way to cope and not deal with that other shit. Because how on Earth could reality not be all sunshine and rainbows on all levels at all times? Reality is not an infinite mirror. Do you think I was born being this cynical? Or that my state of consciousness at some point drifted off from being good and I attracted all the things that made it worse? No, it just happened, because shit just so happens. And why do things happen? Well, I'll tell you what not even hardcore psychedelic users can accurately and undoubtedly answer that so don't expect a sober human to.

He always frames it in a way that makes the reader think he’s referring to their limited perspective. Conflating relative with absolute in his speech and making no distinction. I realized soon enough that “you are God” and the implications of it have no utility and aren’t of practical value. You could be bound to live your life like a Messiah and that doesn’t mean some drunk dude who just bought a firearm won’t blow your brains out. It doesn’t mean that you won’t suffer for the rest of your life or be unhappy (I mean, most people are). It also doesn’t mean that you will now love the one who does you wrong because it is “you” (unless you’re still under the effect or residue of Psychs). And to top it all off you have no say in anything at all. Things just are because “they are”, and you can’t ever hope to escape the loop. The “healthiest” alternatives to this is literally ignoring the Universe and secluding yourself like a monk meditating until you die pretty much beating the whole ‘purpose’ of creation, or if you wanna somewhat function in society then constantly ingesting drugs. Trips after trips to make things more bearable. That, is the only kind of Truth that should have any relevance to a human or living being on this planet. Not some metaphysical woo woo I am that I am useless crap. I’ve probably read over a thousand trip reports in the last 3 years, and the insights people receive are literally hilarious. Advice that would work in a society a million years into the future. God really is a joker, that I agree with. And spirituality a full circle that leaves you right back where you started. The biggest takeaway I took from “everyone is you” in this third world country I was born in, was that I needed that contrast to show me what is not me, what doesn’t represent the true me. Yes, you could say oh but it’s your creation or something like that but I mean, it doesn’t mean anything because it is unlimited. It could be anything at all. Also notice how creation doesn’t exist independently of “infinite love” as you guys call it, because it can’t. Infinite love is direct proof that the horrors of creation need it to exist, in order to balance things out. We humans have the capability of seeing things without a bias (even if we rarely do), while God couldn’t ever. It can’t hate its creation and still make it, so in the same way it cannot distinguish good from bad, which is why you get the “everything is perfect” realization in trips for example, even if the creation were to be a slaughterhouse in an infinite loop this would be the case. It’s just something that has to be for unfathomable reasons. So it doesn’t really mean anything at all. Same with it having always existed, among other things. People in this forum will tell you that everything is perfect and there can’t be no wrong-doing, while simultaneously telling someone who has been suffering their entire life not to kill themselves, while deflecting the “why not?” in the back of that person’s head. Ok, time out for now. Gotta go wash the dishes.

What technique did you use? Or if you could share a link that’d be fantastic.

But then why are you telling “us” this? Wouldn’t then you be God? Or are you merely just a figment of my consciousness in the form of pixels trying to wake me up?

To me, it's the answer that makes the most sense. Anyway, why would the speakers be holding an event if no one's there to receive the message? Maybe they meant to say something else. For me though, multiple perspectives raise the question of how is linear time happening throughout everything, everywhere, all at once? Since there is no linear time, how is Jesus getting crucified at every single moment NOW? Imagine you, Matthew, are a time traveler, and Jesus is, well Jesus. So Jesus already got crucified hundreds of years ago, the event already took place, and he's long gone now. Now let's say you time travel to an hour before that happened, and you see the act play out. What happened to the Jesus who already lived that moment? Is every single moment on an infinite loop? And therefore making everything possible? Are there literally an infinite number of Jesus' happening in the timeline we know them from and infinitely many others, right now?

Wouldn't that be a limit on itself?

You would think that with the number of people who have been in the mindscape necessary to affect "consensus reality" at least a few of them would've destroyed the Universe or at least make a very noticeable change. And yet, here we are.

Nice report. So did you realize everyone in your life is fake? Like not a real person? Why would God decide to wake up from Anthony’s POV and not one of, or every other 7+ billion POV’s? How does it choose that all the people in the YouTube videos, podcasts and everything else will make you wake up? Does everyone serve another in waking up in some shape or form? Or should I say, does everyone serve the ones God wants to wake up through in some shape or form?

Can you explain this a bit further? I don’t think I understand what you’re saying.

Sure. I mean I've personally read a handful of trip reports from other people detailing how they experienced the lives of others so who knows. Again, a bit over a month ago I believe a guy here experimented with salvia leaves and shared his experience. He said an insight he received is that it is critical for you to believe in the dream in order for it to keep going. So you might wanna hold your horses there too.