johnlocke18

@Breakingthewall Yes, nothingness doesn’t exist. It’s non existence. Like you just explained it’s not a thing. The problem is the beginning you said nothingness cannot exist without existence. It doesn’t exist anyway. You’re trying to make nothingness out to be a thing when it’s not. There’s empty space, and then there’s existence, and that’s al within nothingness.

@peanutspathtotruth Yes my point was getting attacked at the beginning and I defended it. Attacking doesn’t always come out aggressive, it can be passive aggressive.

@peanutspathtotruth And again, its not us saying the same thing but disagreeing. They’re saying 2+2=5 and I’m saying 2+2=4. They’re saying god is nothingness and I’m saying its not, by definition or experience. God is ultimate reality, so it’s a thing. Meaning within nothingness and not the same thing. If nothingness was creating it wouldn’t be nothingness.

@peanutspathtotruth I don’t just feel like it, it literally have to or people will misunderstand what I’m saying. I’m not attacking anyone, just defending myself when I get attacked.

@Breakingthewall Like I just explained, if you’re perceiving it then it’s just space. I didn’t say empty existence is nothingness, I just explained empty space isn’t true nothingness. You say total existence, so if you’re talking about something that exists, it’s not nothingness. It’s called the stateless state for a reason. Like I wrote an essay explaining space isn’t nothingness and you just tried to say I said space is nothingness lol

@peanutspathtotruth No, I have to defend my point when someone is misconstruing what I’m saying. My point won’t get across if I don’t. You can’t let someone punch you in the face and not defend yourself. They’re not saying the same thing I am, they’re saying god is nothingness and I’m explaining why by definition that’s not true. I can’t just let someone shut down my point and push their own and just agree.

@WelcometoReality People argue if nothingness created everything or if everything created itself. But there’s no argument that nothingness is creating anything, because that would make it a thing, even if it’s empty space.

@WelcometoReality And empty space isn’t nothingness, so even if empty space was creating everything it still exists and has to be within nothingness. I was wrong to say emptiness instead of nothingness.

@WelcometoReality Well people saying god is nothingness are wrong because that’s simply not the definition. There’s no argument. Nothingness isn’t creating anything because then that would make it a thing. God is god nothingness is nothingness.

@Breakingthewall People tend to think of say, a black hole and say that there’s nothing within it, when really it’s just empty space. Same with cessation. When I say emptiness or nothingness, I mean TRUE nothingness. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word emptiness, but true nothingness has to be the deepest realization, otherwise it’s something and that’s not it. It’s not even an experience when you truly realize nothingness.

@Breakingthewall Nothingness isn’t infinite or a creator. Nothingness is nonexistent, meaning it’s not even space. Infinite means going on and on forever, nothingness isn’t that, otherwise it would be a thing. Space can go on and on forever, but space isn’t the same thing as nothingness.

@Breakingthewall Again, emptiness is emptiness. God and infinity by definition are a thing. God is what’s creating everything and infinity is the existence that goes on and on that god is creating, by definition. So they’re both a thing, if they exist, meaning they have to be within nothingness. And nothingness is nothingness, it’s not creating anything because then that would make it a thing. Saying nothing is god is changing the definition of nothing. God is EVERYTHING, and anything that exists is within nothingness, meaning god is within nothingness. Even if reality goes on and on forever, it has to be within nothingness.

@Adamq8 Thank you. You said yourself “there is NOTHING outside of god” meaning emptiness haha. But it’s all good now. My point is enlightenment is that nothingness.

@Nercohype Just saying what I experienced, regardless of if others see it right or wrong.

@Salvijus Thank you. I wish it didn’t get messy from the arguing, but I can’t let someone make it out like I’m saying something I’m not. Hopefully they just leave it alone for the people that do get something from it. I’m done arguing on it anyway.

@Adamq8 No, emptiness is emptiness. It’s noTHING. Meaning EveryTHING is within it. I shared my experience, and you came here arguing and making up definitions, so I don’t see why you’re saying the forum is open for discussion if you have such an issue with anyone that’s not just letting you talk to them however you want. And on top of that, you’re trying to tell me what I experienced. What’s even the point of the forum if we’re not even allowed to have our own experiences?

@Adamq8 You’re the one making up definitions. The point you just made is exactly what you’re doing. God: The supreme or ultimate reality. (Reality means existence making it a thing.) Emptiness: the state of containing nothing (meaning non existent) Again, I didn’t say emptiness is prior to, I said god is within emptiness, since it’s a thing, being part of reality. You’re putting words in my mouth. I am calm. You’re assuming I’m not probably due to projecting.

@Adamq8 Also, I didn’t dismiss god. I literally said I experienced god prior. This is straight up gaslighting.

@johnlocke18 Yes, you’re arguing and trying to say I’m confused, when you didn’t know what I meant. You’re trying to say you’re right and I’m wrong. Is god a thing? Then it’s within emptiness. Emptiness isn’t a thing, so it’s not creating anything. I explained that and you misconstrued it.

@Adamq8 I didn’t just feel like you did, you actually did laughing and saying I have a limited view of god when you didn’t know what I mean. Stop trying to make me feel like I’m in the wrong when You came in mocking and misunderstanding me.

@Adamq8 God is a force creating everything, and that force is within emptiness. If emptiness could create anything, it wouldn’t be emptiness. Stop misconstruing what I said, just because you misunderstood me saying beyond, and projected your own sizing me up onto it. You also misconstrued the definition of beyond.

@Adamq8 We use definitions to communicate, so saying emptiness means god is changing the definition, which literally makes no sense. Either you mean god or mean emptiness. Your argument makes no sense and it’s unnecessary. Like why would you change the definition of a word, just to invalidate my post?

@Adamq8 Basically all you just did is attack me and change the definition of god. God doesn’t mean emptiness, it means the creator of everything, which has to be within emptiness. The definition of god isn’t emptiness. You’re just using the incorrect definition as an argument. We use definitions to communicate, so twisting around just to make me look bad is the stupidest shit.

@Adamq8 I didn’t say emptiness is prior to god I said god is within emptiness. You’re saying they’re are one, that doesn’t take away the fact that or is within the other. Also, I explained what I meant by god. You just put words in my mouth and turned into a dick measuring contest and condescended me, not knowing my experience or anything.

@Adamq8 You didn’t even bother to read what I said and completely misconstrued it. You literally just repeated my explanation after invalidating it. I explained infinity or everything has to be within emptiness. And when you say god, you’re talking about everything which has to be within nothing. Like you explained, external and outside of time. Enlightenment is realizing emptiness, which is what everything is within. That means god, or everything is within it, making it beyond it. You’re laughing down on me like it’s a dick measuring contest and then said I’m the one limiting god, and talking about making it linear. You literally just did that. I just explained I experienced myself as god, and then had a realization it’s within emptiness. It’s pretty sad a moderator is acting like this.