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@Judy2 The reason enlightened masters say stateless state, and keep going, is so people don’t fall into this trap. Formlessness is not nothingness and you can see first hand. You realize god is everything, formlessness and form, and then that leads you to believe formlessness is nothingness. No, if it exists, it’s a thing.

@Judy2 No, formlessness is empty space, that goes on and on forever meaning it exists. Nothingness is non existence. You can only realize nothingness and that existence is within it. If you can experience it, then it’s not nothingness. They are not the same because one of them you can’t experience, and they have a different definition.

@Shin I’ve experienced god on 5meo, I even mentioned it in the op. You can speculate whether I actually did or not, but I can tell you formlessness/god/infinity is infinite space that you can experience, are not nothingness, by definition or by experience. They are things, they can create and go on and on forever. You can only realize nothingness, and that they are within it. Nothing is outside infinity, meaning infinity is within nothingness. Empty space is a thing, that’s why you can experience it. You haven’t realized nothingness if you’re saying it’s god, and you’re also misdefining it.

@Judy2 Nope. Not confusing words. Nothingness and formlessness are not the same by definition or experience. Formlessness and infinity is empty space going on forever, and nothingness is nothingness, you can’t experience it. But you can realize infinity is within it.

@Judy2 Literally my post was me describing I infinity and god, then realizing it’s within nothingness. They’re different. And then people came arguing with language, so I made it clear what I mean.

@Judy2 I experienced god on 5meo, and it is different than true nothingness. I realized it is within nothingness. Yes you can’t describe infinity and nothingness with words, but you can see first hand they are different. You can only realize nothingness. Otherwise, you’re just describing something.

@peanutspathtotruth The post is me describing an experience, so no it isn’t just words, it’s words describing an experience. And no, I’m not lost in mind, because I’m not the one arguing. I simply posted what I went through, and when people misunderstand I explain. You’re not aware of nothingness, and you mistake it for formlessness. I’ve experienced infinity and formlessness, and nothingness is different. So, no it’s not just words it’s arguing an experience and you’re trying to tell me what I experienced, because you’re lost in mind and assumptions

@Judy2 I am aware of formlessness, and it is not nothingness. I’ve explained it already. If you experience it, then it’s not true nothingness. You can only realize nothingness. You’re confusing formlessness with nothingness.

@peanutspathtotruth NO-THING. Anything that exists is a thing, meaning nothing is nonexistence. Literally couldn’t be more clear with my words. God- Ultimate reality, meaning it exists. Infinity goes on and on forever, and only a thing can go on and on forever. So nothingness is not a thing. And you guys are arguing it is. And I am not saying the same thing, I’ve been very clear that existence does not equal nothingness.

@peanutspathtotruth It’s not just arguing words, because words describe an experience. He’s saying nothingness is a thing , and I’m saying it’s not, so no we’re not saying the same thing. God and nothingness are not the same, by definition or experience. Nothingness isn’t an experience it’s a realization. He’s arguing it’s a thing, he said nothingness exists and it doesn’t. Otherwise it wouldn’t be nothingness. When you realize true nothingness, you’ll see it isn’t the same. God is an experience. That’s once again misconstruing what I’m saying.

@peanutspathtotruth That’s my whole point. Nothingness is not a thing and I’m trying to tell people that, so why are you telling me this? It doesn’t make sense that you agree with me, yet you’re telling me with all of these people arguing that it is a thing or experience. Like look at the person above me, they literally just said “there’s nothing outside existence” yet tried to argue nothingness exists.

@Terell Kirby You can’t experience nothingness. Otherwise it wouldn’t be nothingness. You closest thing you can experience is empty space, which is not the same thing. But you can realize it. NO-thing means it’s not a thing, meaning it doesn’t exists. I’m trying to tell you it wasn’t empty space, but nothingness, and you don’t understand. It’s no experience, but a realization.

@Terell Kirby I’m not missing anything. You’re just changing the definition of nothing. Nothing is non existent. Meaning it doesn’t exist. I didn’t experience e empty space, I realized nothingness. You don’t understand nothingness. You think it’s empty space.

@peanutspathtotruth You have to be serious to get a point across, otherwise people will think you’re joking. And I’m not joking so why would I not be serious? Also, being passive aggressive is not the same as being truly light hearted.

@Terell Kirby Yes, there is absolutely nothing outside existence, meaning existence or infinity is within nothingness. You’re trying to say nothing is something when it’s not, or confusing it with emptiness.

@Terell Kirby Nothingness is non existence. And like you said, existence is infinite. So, nothingness isn’t infinite. It can’t be an aspect of something it isn’t. Empty space and existence are within nothingness, but empty space isn’t nothingness. You think I’m talking about empty space, probably because I used the word emptiness at first.

@peanutspathtotruth “You’re attacking me! You’re gaslighting me!” Did I say it emotional like that? No. So yes, you’re gaslighting. And yes you did it again. I don’t even see what your point is. You’re telling me to lighten up when I haven’t been overly emotional at all. You’re getting defensive trying to invalidate what I’m saying, telling me to joke around so people wont take my trip seriously. You have some kind of problem, yet telling me I’m the one with one.

@Terell Kirby Nothingness isn’t infinite, only a thing can go on and on forever, even if that thing is empty space. You’re confusing infinite space with nothingness.

@Terell Kirby The definition of god isn’t nothingness, the definition of god is ultimate reality. Reality is within nothingness, meaning god is within nothingness, making it deeper.

@peanutspathtotruth You’re saying it’s about the attitude and energy of the forum, yet you’re here arguing when you said you agree, and making it out like I’m defensive when I haven’t been. I didn’t say my claim is the only one true, that’s putting words in my mouth. I just posted something, I didn’t start the arguing, I just made my point clear when people twisted around. The twisting around is what’s making it messy, not me correcting it. And you’re also adding on to that. If you don’t agree, and are against arguing, then why are you still here?

@peanutspathtotruth Sure you’re not attacking, yet you’re framing me as emotional to invalidate my point, when I haven’t been yet. Stop with the passive aggression you already showed your colors, though it was subtle.

@Judy2 Why are you questioning if you’re annoying before saying. Anything? Do people on here gaslight you that bad for disagreeing? Don’t let the loads of passive aggressive people on here put you down up on their high horse, fronting that they don’t get flustered when that’s the most insecure thing you can do.

@peanutspathtotruth “But but, they say I’m wrong” I didn’t get emotional like that and I’ve been very clear and patient, so don’t try to make it out like I’m not. That’s very petty. I thought you said no one was attacking? Talk about gas lighting.

@Judy2 I know, and I’m explaining WHY they can’t understand, and they’re making it difficult trying to argue as if it’s a thing.

@peanutspathtotruth We use words and symbols to communicate. So, yes I’m right saying 2+2=4, otherwise it’s miscommunication. I’m doing it to explain my point, and I have to repeat because they misunderstand. That’s why. How could anyone get a point across or explain something if we just didn’t worry about words or symbols? And I am chill, you’re just assuming I’m not. Stop trying to passive aggressively invalidate what I’m saying.