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@Tim R So you just prolong your learning process when learning any new skill for no reason? When it’s obvious?

@Judy2 Well, you don’t know for sure but that can be said for anything and your life and god realization. even if you become god that could be some insane hallucination your brain is capable of on psychedelics. But you’re pretty sure the next room is going to be there when you walk through the door right? Well as god when you go away, you’re that sure that you went away and came back, and that came before and after you.

@Judy2 It’s profound because when you realize you do it as god, you realize nothing is before and after everything. When you go to sleep and wake up, it’s not profound because you just assume that’s apart of existence. But when existence itself can go away like that, you realize it’s deeper than anything.

@Judy2 You’ve actually not existed before, and you can become god and go away like that, so it can’t be just tricking yourself if it’s actually happening. By that logic then everything is just a trick, which isn’t true because a trick is like a lie and not actuality.

@Leo Gura One more thing to you. Where were you before you were born? You probably wasn’t infinity or god, and there was probably no experience or even a void. There was true nothingness. And you realize that without experiencing it. When you go deep enough as god, existence itself will go away. And when you come back, you’ll realize just like before you were born, nothingness is before and after everything. Nothing is outside infinity because outside infinity is nothingness. Be open to the possibility there is something deeper, or nothing for that matter. God has an off switch like everything else in nature. Nothing is apart of god, but nothing is also outside of god. Making ti the deepest realization. “Nothing is deeper than god.” Because the word nothing exists for a reason, to point away from everything. This is true enlightenment.

@gettoefl Exactly. That’s why I have started asking people what was before you were born if you can’t realize nothingness? I don’t remember there being infinity or god. Which means nothingness comes before and after everything. That’s why I get annoyed with people saying you’re stuck existing forever.

@Vincent S Glad I can help. Like I told judy you wasn’t infinity or god before you were born, meaning god can not exist. Nothingness comes before and after everything. Confusion isn’t good unless you want to keep people listening .

@Judy2 But you’re not stuck. You never existed before you were born because god can cause itself not to exist, forever if it wants, and nothing is before and after everything, making that the deepest. It’s not confusing it’s straight forward. Saying you’re stuck is a human limitation, like you think you’ll have exist forever or be in a void.

@Judy2 Again, when you go to sleep and not experience anything you can come back and realize it right? Well that means you can talk about it even though it happens. Don’t let them tell you confusion is a good thing. If you were learning a skill would you want to be confused or figure it out as soon as you can and then go for it? Where were you before you were born? Nowhere but you realized it. You wasn’t god or infinity. And since god and infinity can disappear well what does that tell you always comes before and after? Nothing.

@Tim R You say that like being confused is a good thing. Just like with everything in life, like learning a new skill, you want it figured out as soon as you can. Same with this stuff. But it’s honesty straight forward aside from embodying things.

@Judy2 But if you think something makes sense don’t let someone come in and confuse you. This is why I argued about wording earlier. If I told you to grab the peanut butter but I meant the jelly, it wouldn’t make sense and wouldn’t go anywhere. Same thing with saying everything is one when it’s not. Even if we’re one being talking to itself, we still are two waves within the ocean. Not making sense, means nonsense. Do you think it’s wise to listen to nonsense?

@Judy2 Well that’s why I don’t say everything is one because it doesn’t make sense and is confusing. We wouldn’t be talking if we was not distinguished, and the whole point of the word distinguish is to tell things apart, even if it is one big being or whatever. So you’re right in being confused because it doesn’t make sense to say everything is one.

@Judy2 Which makes more sense to you? Honestly going to sleep and being awake are complete opposites to me. Not existing and existing. Saying they’re one is implying god isn’t really vanishing, or that your human body isn’t going away when they are. You realize it when it happens.

@Judy2 They are not. Just like when your body goes to sleep it’s not the same as the body being awake. They are opposites. Existence and not existence. People think because everything is one NOTHING can be separate. Well, they’re right, they just don’t understand why they’re right haha.

@Nos7algiK Well deep doesn’t mean above or more than. It just means the most within. And if god and all of existence itself can have a no self experience or go to sleep like we can, then that means nothingness is the most within. I’m not misunderstanding, if someone thinks nothingness is apart of god, then they don’t realize god and existence itself can go away. If we go away and we become god, then when god goes away it becomes nothingness. Making it the deepest.

@Nahm Eh you’re mixing it up with empty space. If god can stop existing, then nothingness obscures god. All of existence can have a no self experience. And I don’t mean that in the sense of blackness or emptiness is covering it up, I mean completely not exist. Like when you go to sleep you go away, yet you don’t experience anything and time skips. Well when you go deep enough you can do that as god, and you can’t experience it but come back and realize it happened. So, it’s the deepest realization.

@Judy2 Right? Once you get it even intellectually the dots connect. It’s like the missing piece but you can see my frustration now and how it goes over everyone’s head.

@Nos7algiK I’m not weaponizing anything. You’re just not getting my elaboration. I’m just using the closest word we have to explain it. The word nothing wouldn’t exist if it didn’t point somewhere (or nowhere). God is an experience, but nothingness can only be realized. But you can’t experience nothing. When you go deep enough as god, all of existence will go away like when you go to sleep, and then come back. You’ll realize it happened, like when you go to sleep, but you won’t experience it, like when you go to sleep. And then you realize nothingness is the deepest realization because it’s the only way god can not exists. Non existence.

@Judy2 Yes. That’s how you can take it back. And it’s deeper than god because if god can go away, then nothingness is the only thing that can be deeper. And because god can not exist anymore, that makes it more than just a part of god. Beyond god.

@Salvijus Im confident it is what they’re talking about, enlightened masters, and that’s why they say they can’t explain it in words. Because when they do, people believe that they’ve attained it after experiencing emptiness. That’s why I can tell people that are saying nothingness is just a part of god or that god is the ultimate realization just haven’t realized true nothingness yet, just emptiness and infinity. And when they go through formlessness and infinity, they think “this state is what they meant!” And that you can experience it. You can’t experience it, only realize it happened. Leo also said everything is a state, making me believe he hasn’t realized it either. They call it the stateless state, because it isn’t a state. At all. God goes away. That’s why they say atman and Brahman. God is the ultimate atman. And just like everything else there’s a pendulum so there is a final Brahman. True enlightenment is post god realization when nothing exists, and then comes back.

@Judy2 No one. I’ll elaborate since you’re starting to get what I’m saying. You know how when you sleep there’s no experience you just go away? And you realize you did without it experiencing it? Well when you become god and realize you’re god, you can go deep enough to where all of existence fades away. And it’s not that you’re experiencing a void, there is no experience. You just realize as god that you completely went away. And it’s not that god gets tired of existence, it’s because like in everything else and nature things have to not exist for a bit. And it’s the deepest realization, because like this thread has repeated, there’s nothing deeper than god.

@Breakingthewall You get what I’m saying, so I’ll elaborate. You don’t experience it you realize it, because like you said if you experience it’s not nothing. But you need to understand that you know how when you go to sleep you go away without experience and time just skips. It’s like that, but when you become god and go deep enough, you can go away like that but to the point you realize ALL of existence goes away. It is almost like god or infinity temporarily killing itself to no longer exist, not because it’s tired of it or has human like limits, but because it’s nature like everything else in existence has to go away at some point. You don’t experience it but you realize it’s happening. And that is true enlightenment. Becoming god or the atman, but having a no self “experience” not just as a human, but as existence.

@BipolarGrowth I can’t watch it right now but I know frank yang has said before there’s one more emptiness after god. I’m not sure if it’s the true nothingness that you can’t really personally experience, or the void, but either way he’s on to something. True enlightenment is realizing there is nothing beyond infinity, and actually realizing that true nothingness.

@Nahm Thank you. I know I’m making this messy but Im just trying to get people to understand. And if nothing is deeper than god, then nothing is the deepest realization!

@Gregory1 Really think about that for a second. Listen to the words coming out of your mouth, and you’re apart of this. Yet it’s all about open mindedness? Weird huh?