Bobby_2021

The key point is that Tate wouldn't be friends with normies. If you are going to be his friend, then he should spend time with you chatting and doing friends stuff. His time is worth millions from what he is making. So if he is spending time with you, it's because you are a high Net worth individual, whatever that may be. He is allowing you near him because you have some value to provide him. That's how he choses his friends. I don't pass the net worth to be his friend to ask him to babysit my wife lol. So what? A masculine role model need not and should not adhere to the norms of the society. What do you mean mainstream anyway? Feminism/woke green ideologies aren't mainstream in 80% of the world. His views are in alignment with majority of the world. They agree with what he says. That's why he garnered such huge following in a short while. I am not dismissing his entire value system. There are plenty of things to learn from Arnold & Rogan. I am just dismissing them from the elusive throne of masculine role model since it's based on exclusivity anyway. Arnold wouldn't even be famous without steroids. Isn't there any point when he is talking to young kids to not use them? The message has to be in alignment with the life. Else you are being directly hypocritical. If kids look up to arnold, then it's because of how he looks, not because what he says. The only way to look anywhere close to arnold is to use steriods. TRT can be just as harmful and affect longevity. The thing is that some individuals have no problems taking it at all(atleast no short term problems) while others might have severe reaction. Also he may have done actual steriods, but simply downplaying it. Can't know for sure, but many suspect it. It's simply safe to not meddle with your hormones. It can affect you in terrible ways. I am not putting that as a requirement, but he has to demonstrate 95 percentile physical strength. He can choose whatever area to demonstrate his strength. Gym/Weightlifting isn't going to cut it. Gym is just pumping muscles to look strong and intimidating. They are not nearly as strong as the average ufc fighter of similar weight. Also the masculine role model is an ideal to strive for. Not everyone is required to be the exact copy cat of your model. That's sheep mentality. A guy should be able to look at tate and say to himself, "Oh I should develop my strength" and do whatever he could do to gain strength. Maybe he could atleast do 50 pushups. That's enough for the moment. No need to force everyone of his followers to be a fighter. I don't get your point. It was a money making opportunity for everyone involved. Those women wouldn't have made a quarter of the money working alone. Even when those women were asleep, Tate was texting simps from her socials. So Tate did a lot of the work. All she had to do is to strip on camera, most of the times not even fully naked. Do you think the onlyfans chicks do not have husbands? He could operate the chat most of the time. Simps are not looking for a naked female pic. There are trillions of such pics on the internet. What they are looking for is someone to talk to. This is how most money is made in the website. By ripping off the simps. Usually a man is working behind the curtain. It's easy money. I am not saying that none of these stuff are admirable things to do. But our society allows these things to happen. If it's consensual it's fine. Afterall lefties constantly preach that sex work is work. In that case this is perfectly fine. Women are just working under a boss who owns a business who gives 50% of the revenue generated to them. Most businesses won't even pay that much to their employees. This is a perfectly legal and normal way of working, according to leftist world view. I am no legal expert, but what he did until now isn't worthy of any punishment, from what I know of. Romanian court is continuing the investigation, and strongly upholds the "innocent untill proven guilty" right to them. They are detained because of the seriousness of the alleged crimes and their ability to fly to some other jurisdictions to escape from being investigated. 30 days is the time to provide evidence for the alleged crimes. Else, most likely the investigation will continue with them being free. Let's wait for the results of the trial.

Joe rogan & Arnold did steroids. A man shouldn't be focusing on pumping up his aesthetics with potentially harmful hormones. He should focus only on getting things done. Obsessing on aesthetics are for women. Doing steroids isn't something young men must aspire to. It can severely damage your health. Is David Goggins even capable of combat? I don't know. Goggins just runs like a madman. Not so impressive. Jordan Peterson has a mental breakdown every other week. Mike Tyson is good model, but he doesn't have speaking skills and he did many crimes. Also low IQ, possibly. Tate did sex trafficking and hurt women, allegedly. [ Investigation is going on]. None of the things Tate said online isn't going to discredit him from his masculinity, except for maybe 5% of the things where he went overboard. That's forgivable, given that he can change the way he speaks. None of the male role models value excellence, competency and sheer brute power. That's what many men crave for deep inside. They want to utilise their potential to the fullest. If a man comes along and says that you have to be the absolute best and crush everyone else in everything you do, and he also walks the talk to some degree, of course men are going to be inspired by it. You also have to value freedom and protect the freedom of choice and resist government tyranny. When a government forces a half tested vaccine on your body, then people should have the autonomy to reject it. A masculine male role model will never force things down your throat. Tate spoke out against this while many "masculine role models" blindly urged you to get vaxxed. It's not about the effectiveness of vaccines( which itself is debatable) but simply freedom of choice. You cannot be anywhere close to masculine without valuing freedom and autonomy. The fact that it's hard to find a male role model is a feature rather that a bug. No man is deserving of that position absolutely forever. It's too valuable of an authority and Power to be able to inspire military age men. You essentially control civilization by inspiring young men.

A man desperate for pussy would exploit the opportunity to get a little pussy. You should worry about such men. Tate do not need to exploit my wife to get it. It's meaningless. He could get countless women to fet laid anyway. And losing my trust and friendship is going to cost him more. A simple cost benifit analysis is enough to reason this out. I will trust Tate in this situation 100%. With that said, what Tate did with his webcam business is not admirable. But can you really say it's all that bad when those women working with him, stripping on camera, made millions of dollars. He says that everything was consensual.

The idea of masculinity is based on exclusivity. Every masculine guy is striving for perfection. So it's hard to find a true single masculine role model. Because one thing they did or did not do is enough to disqualify them from being a masculine leader. You should be able to pull off things that others won't be able to do and with brutal efficiency & pragmatism. Get shit done. His values should be physical strength, intellectually smart, have money, social skills and charisma with women, value excellence and speed, talk what he thinks with no fear of what others think, challenge norms of society if necessary, value Truth, freedom etc. Above all he must instill inspiration in the minds of men to be the most best version of themselves. Tate comes pretty close although his ways are morally questionable. In other words the best role model for men would be Tate minus his sociopathic traits. He should be a little more considerate to other people and stop the Bugatti cringe. He should have more to his life than cars and models.

Exceptions are allowed to exist. It doesn't mean 99% of the time is false. 1% of the time it's different. It's literally an exception to the rule. If something is right or works for 99% of the time, then it's worth considering it as truth, atleast in the relative domain.

Whatever you say. ??

False.

Biology is a social construction. Sex is a social construction. Male/Female is a social construction. Male and female are just as arbitrary labels as man or a woman is. Gender and sex are not that different as you think. Both are pure social constructs and labels. You can literally make up anything you want. Tadaaa

Lol the "matrix" narrative is the stupidest thing ever. "Your life is shit because they(elites) are keeping you weak and emasculate." This shifts the responsibility and blame of your life being trash to some shadow figures out there. There is some validity to this claim, because of the dark nature of how power works, but Tate is overflowing it far too much. But think about the scenario if he is not convicted and set free. He can claim that the matrix has attacked him twice and he won. This controversy itself is gaining him a huge following and attention. He will easily transform this into hundreds of millions of dollars. This could be the best or worst year for Tate.

Damn the articulation. ?? Not this time though. Romania is in the centre of world's attention and they will consider it as a golden chance to clear their bad historical reputation of trafficking and bribing. The corruption will work against Tate this time, most likely. If there is strong evidence it's the end for top G. Else he will remain the top G.

His video has good points. But when you make a weak point like that, which has already been addressed by Tate countless times, it's hard to take anything else he says seriously. It gives me the impression that the lawyer was too lazy to research the stuff before he presents it to his audience. Usually people like this come up with even more weak arguments which dilutes the strength of their original arguments. Of course he did illegal shady shit in the past. It's my inkling to believe it. It just seems so. @Danioover9000 In this limited domain, your thinking seems to be yellow. But simply by not giving an opinion, pretty much everyone is yellow on this. But hey, don't get too caught up in labels like yellow/green/red. Maybe one side could be true and we fail to see it, because we weren't insightful enough.

Weak case. He is ideologically ranting with some good points. His video on beating women was said in a response to the question "How would you deal with a woman who too the gun/machete and started attacking you?" Tate said he will take the gun off of her hands and hit her back *in self defence*. We will have to wait for the courts to decide. No one who has done actual crimes will come on camera and admit it. Tate did some shady stuff, but it's nowhere near horrible as the media makes it to be. As for the really horrible allegations, the court is to decide. Either way, it's exciting to see how this will turn out. Since he is such a polarising figure, people can't give an objective evaluation of the situation. Either he is Jesus or he is Epstein, according to random dudes on the internet. I recommend you don't listen to them at all. I would usually extend the decency of assuming innocence before being proven guilty. But a man is usually guilty until proven innocent. Whatever let's wait and see.

The most level headed take I found. https://youtu.be/I5TMsQcSuQA If Tate is guilty, he goes to prison. No one will defend him. If he is not, then he will grow bigger than ever. All misinformation will be busted once in for all. His dumb "matrix" narrative will be even more powerful. There is no possibility of bribing at this point. So you can leave that out. Either way it's an exciting possibility. This is the make or break of the Tate saga. We will get to know it within a few months at most. Needless to say, it's beyond stupid to believe that Tate got arrested because of a pizza box. That has nothing to do with the arrest. This is the dumbest rumor which is purely speculation.

Both fans and haters have only allegations/conspiracy theories. There has been no proof of anything whatsoever at all. All we can do is speculate. Even the pizza story is most likely made up by the internet. It was obvious that he was in his house just from the background.

Kanye west is suspended from twitter for incitement to violence.

Have more far right memebers in the forum to increase diversity ?

Me and the OP disagreed on some issues which led to a lengthy discussion on PM. We shared our perspectives and got a lot of understanding on the other side.@bejapuskas is a well meaning, nice guy who is fighting for the ideal he believes in and I have a lot of respect for him. Mild disagreements is not hate nor being phobic about the issue. Note that sort of radical behaviour screams privilege and it might evoke actual disgust from normal people, who are otherwise well accepting of trans people. So it's a real possibility that your behaviour might be indirectly transphobic. Calling people as transphobic if they don't bend over backwards in support of trans issues decreases the intensity of real issues faces by trans people. It has also become a sort of reverse slur that you can use on people. This makes the whole thing name calling with no real substance om the matter. At the end of the day, this is Leo's forum and he owes no explanation to you me or anyone else on how he runs this forum. Still he is doing a pretty good job at it, given how hard it to do. Most platforms like twitter has literally become a set of echo chambers which repeatedly validates things you already believe in. We have diverse perspectives on this forum being exposed to everyone all the way from racial IQ disparities to everything being racist and bigotry.

You take IQ for granted. Many of the things you pull off are only possible because of your IQ. Philosophers have the highest average IQ (130) of any majors. The work you do and your obsession with philosophy is itself because of the gentics privilege of IQ you had at birth. And then you sit here wonder why most people don't take philosophy seriously. Well, the simple answer is, philosophy is of no interest to low IQs. Their brains are not capable of such computations, which you can do and take for granted. No amount of "intelligence" can make up for a lack of IQ. The correct thing is to see IQ as a subset of Intelligence, no matter how insignificant IQ as a concept maybe. Tall jacked guys say "looks don't matter bro...".

You can design the algorithm such that it diminishes the reach of a tweet if it contains the phrase "fuck you" for example. AI can detect the sentiment behind a tweet and control it's reach. An AI will determine the sentiment behind a tweet. But polarising and self validating tweets usually brings good engagement and user retention. So twitter may make less profits by shadow banning such tweets. Human mods are always sloppy and can't deal with hundreds of millions of people. You need to introduce tech and reduce the reliance of people as much as possible. As a end user, the reason I hate staying on twitter is due to the poorly maintained features and lag while using it. This must be changed from the inside out, first. That's what Musk is upto.

God needs to take a break from the infinite bliss. That's why suffering is imagined by God.

I don't want to make this a pro vs anti musk debate, because I am not a Musk fan. Leo raised some good points on why content moderation is overlooked by Musk. I agree with that idealistically. Realistically speaking, the situation is a little complicated. I want to raise a few points. 1. Get profit first. Twitter is one of the worst managed companies that also managed to make it relatively big. There are many toxic elements already in the management that made sure that twitter will not ever survive as a company. You need to maximize profit at the end of the day. This was inable to be achieved by the previous management. All the bad shit that Leo is predicting will happen under Musk(like Nazi coups) have already happened under the previous management. Taliban has used twitter to help them takeover afganistan. Twitter spaces were already poorly moderated that results in plenty of bullying, harrasment, terrorism etc. It is clear that the previous management did a shitty job overall. You need to give him time to fix this whole mess. 2. 3500 people for managing content moderation raking in insane salaries is a huge drag on the company. I don't even think most of the people who were fired were from the content moderation team. Most of them were sloppy engineers. 3. A tech company is run best by a tech bro like Musk. He can use hate speech detection by some AI run software instead of having people do the job which they are terrible at. There is a lot of untapped power in tech which twitter failed to make use of. Twitter has absolutely terrible features and user interface. Twitter will now have more features like long format threads, long videos etc. Despite all of this he will also bring down hate speech levels. If Musk was truly stupid, he could have removed content moderation policies as a whole. Instead he just fired the complacent staff, which is happening in almost literally every other big tech company. 4. The altruistic "content moderation" team is a bunch of woke lefites. I do agree that a well moderated platform will lean left because they are biased towards good behaviour. But twitter actually went too far in getting actual woke left to power in their team. And Big Tech became a tool of the left to stifle freedoms. They literally found #staywoke T shirts in their closet. They were getting too unnecessarily political.

Or maybe lefties are sexually repressed. Else why would you censor something normal in the left.

Why did twitter censor the NY post story then, convinently before the elections?

Big if true.

As of now Musk has not meddled with the existing content moderation policies. The hate speech simply increased just by the people reacting to Musk buying the platform. Now it's coming down to it's normal levels as was the case before the deal. Even the definition of what constitutes hate speech is exactly as same as was before the deal. I have a strong feeling that you are going overboard with your analysis which is quite narrow. Making twitter feature rich, removing child sexual abuse content are among the most important priorities of Musk. There were plenty of flaws with twitter before Musk. Even more importantly twitter was already a dying platform that was losing money. So no matter how altruistic, was the woke lefitsts before Musk, it would not have mattered anyway since there would not have been a twitter. Musk and his team is single-handedly trying to save a sinking ship. Tiktok says hi. Obviously a nerd like Musk won't be best when it comes to managing socio political aspects of anything. But he thinks like a normal person with common sense. It's becoming increasingly hard to ignore the abuse of power from the left. The lefitsts media is openly celebrating a fraud sam bankman fried who stole billions worth of common man's money. I wonder where is all the objective reporting has gone. NYT is even inviting him to speak at a conference with Zelensky. Someone using the N word on twitter is more harmful for society rather a fraud stealing billions of dollars of common man's hard earned money, according to leftists media. FTX is also, quite convinently, the biggest donor of the democrats it seems. Isn't the left playing the same dirty politics as Musk? And you can't just accept that Musk is playing it better than them. Musk is chasing the ideal of true free speech. It's worth it to support it at any cost.