Bobby_2021

Also note that all these advancements in AI would not have been possible without "stealing" the data. If they can steal my data and make something as incredible as an powerful LLM, then I support stealing those data. How incredible it would be if could make use of code written by other people in my own work? That is the magic of capitalism. Data is collected to improve that service. IF you do not want that, use cheaper stuff that exists, that do not steal your data. It is out there. No one is forcing you to give up your data. Even if 10% more people were concerned with their privacy than now, then we would have been living in a much different world. Open-source ecosystem would have made even more wonderful software you all can make use of. But people do not care about privacy or transparency. So the capitalistic free market gives them exactly that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole problem lies when govt increases the barrier of entry for small businesses. That is the thing that we should be really scared of. And avoid obvious market manipulation like stock buybacks & insider trading. ALl of these are problems with the government, not with capitalism.

Listen there is a lot of unrolling to do because what you said contradicts itself. 1. Why do Facebook and google "steal" your data? They sell that data to businesses owners who are providing some sort of product or a service to people. So they still get rich from buying stuff from the store. FB is solving a difficult problem in the market. If you have a product that people love, and there are people who love your product, how do you reach them? By collecting their data and selling it to business owners who have something to sell. The data is valuable only because it facilitates sales. So, they still get rich from connecting people who would eventually buy from their store. If you are a small business owner who wants to sell electric kettles, then you could do an ad campaign that targets such sort of people. Now could be help combat climate change by selling solar panels over Facebook as a small business owner. All of these are doing incredible things for the economy. It's not just mega corporations making each other rich. It is putting power in the hands of small business owners who can now deliver a service or sell some cool shirt. This would be impossible without collecting or "stealing" user data. -------------------------------------------------------- 2. Is it really stealing if you had given them consent to access your files and your data that you willingly entered into their platform? So technically you did consent, even though their manufactured content in a sneaky way. You cannot install these social media in your phone unless you sign their terms and conditions. It clearly says that they have the rights to use the data of their users to improve the services they provide you. --------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Consent does not matter anyway since most people simply do not care. They would rather have their data taken and get a better service than not have their data taken at all and be given an OS that they could custom design. Capitalism does not never give you options. It is up for the market to decide what options to choose from. Apple and Microsoft collect data to improve the services they give you. Are you pissed off? Use Linux. The solution already exists. Why do you waste your money and time to pay for Microsoft or Apple? Because collecting user data helps them make an OS where most of the problems faced by the normal folk are already solved by the corporation selling them. Linux does not collect any data. But you need to learn more about computers to install and use Linux. They want a solution that works out of the box without worrying too much. You cannot force Apple or Microsoft to solve a problem that does not exist. This comes back to the question of freedom & responsibility? Do you want freedom from mega corporations tracking you? Use Linux. Do you want mega corporations to collect telemetry and records user behavior, but will give you a readymade OS that you could start with without learning much about it? Use Apple or Microsoft. But you do realize that Apple would need to collect user data to design a system that. Most people do not want responsibility that comes with freedom. So, they choose to go with having less freedom and less responsibility. It is not like alternative solutions does not exist in the market. It does an its free. Just that it does not interests people.

If they suck up trillions of dollars, then someone has to give them trillions of dollars. Will you give up trillions of dollars for free? only if you get more than a trillion dollars in value. I will be glad if a trillion dollars of value is pumped into this economy. That would do wonders to the economy in a scale more than you could imagine. If he is raising a trillion from investors. I couldn't care less. Let him do it. In that case he is making himself a slave by being in debt to those investors. There will be a lot of investors, which is not going to be a problem. There is a chance that none of this will pay out and the money will be locked up in research & development. That is good. If he gets a trillion-dollar contract from the govt, then you should be concerned. Because that is the taxpayer money of the people. Government contracts are scary. In that case, you should blame the government for empowering trillion-dollar corpos. If the "little folks" can get a share of the trillion dollars in value, then that would empower the little folk. You can use Ai without having a single penny. You should look forward to increasing competition in the market by having more players and easing the regulations. That way no single corpos can increase the prices inorganically. Stop seeing everything from the eyes of the Karl Marx. Even he would change the mind on capitalism based on whatever that is going on at the moment. He got billions because you keep sending him money. You keep using his products even when you can choose not to. He got billions from solving real problems. And you use the products of people who exploit their workers. If you want to mass produce anything, you need to exploit the labor. This is altruistic exploitation and a necessary one. Do you want to exploit people and build cheap solar panels, nuclear plants and electric cars to produce clean energy or die from climate change? The exploitation is not done from a shameless attempt to get rich. He is solving genuine problems, and the market prefers exploitative solutions by wanting cheap cars, solar panels etc. He can pay his workers more if you are willing to pay more for a Tesla. So, you are doing the exploitation by buying apple and tesla. If it is exploitative, you can choose not to get exploited. No one is forcing anyone to work for a billionaire. But someone has to make the food with capital as cheaply as possible so that people can be fed. The AI companies can never enslave you on their own. They do not have the monopoly on violence. Government is the one responsible for ensuring the law and order. The best that AI companies can ever do is to get lots of paper money. That paper money is valuable simply because the government says so. If the government is easily corruptible, then you know where the problem is. The real problem is when you are squeezed out of alternatives because the government increases the barrier to entry for smaller business by increasing regulations and random stupid fees for doing business. That way you are allowed to buy services from one mega corporation. All problems of slavery come from the government not doing it job or when the government is handing out contracts worth billions to these companies or lobbying to kill small business by overregulating them. Most problems would instantly solve if you were not going to pester small business from providing services by making use of AI. This is how you democratize AI and put power in the hands of the people.

Dude what I am saying is that AI treaty will not be singed by countries powerful enough to develop their own AI. They will literally ignore the treaty like India and Israel ignored the NPT. The countries who did sign the treaty were too weak to develop their own nukes. It's not like they had the capacity to do it anyway. And you do realize that even Russia violated the treaty and US pulled out of it. That's how petty these agreements are. The moment it's inconvenient for you, you can pull out of it. You will be shooting yourself in the foot by not developing your own AI. For eg Ukraine didn't develop their own nuclear weapons for honouring some shitty treaty and now they are paying a hefty price for it. Nukes could have easily prevented this sort of Russian invasion. That's what's going to happen to countries that doesn't pursue AI. They will be overshadowed by countries who do develop their own AI. The intended effect was to prevent more countries from developing nukes apart from the existing ones. They clearly failed at that. North Korea signed and later pulled off. Because without nukes, they would they would be under the control of the US or bigger powers. They don't have to be enemies to not cooperate. They could simply follow their own interests which is to develop their own AI. The laws that you make only apply to a certain jurisdiction. They would do all the same in a different jurisdiction. It's so easy to skid these laws. Which are meaningless anyway.

Exactly. The treaty was signed to prevent other nations from developing nuclear weapons. And what happened? India, Pakistan, North Korea and even Israel developed nuclear weapons anyway. Even US and Russia withdrew from the treaty. Which is why all such treaties are utter trash. The exact same thing will happen with AI, now that corporations are playing the game. So, they would absolutely zero flying fucks about any "treaty". If you try to regulate them too much they move to a country that does not try to regulate them and train their AI on all the data they can get their hands on. I oppose all regulations that increases the barrier to entry to AI. Some basic regulations are necessary. I do not doubt the sincerity or good will of your arguments. Just that it will not produce the intended effects that you are looking for.

Why would you even want to stop it? It's so ridiculous. We need to build zero trust systems that could operate without being fooled by a freaking AI. "As a species" Do you even realize how silly this sounds? Do you think China/Russia is simply going to put a halt because someone fearmongers about it? Do you think even the companies in US are going to stop it? Stop the fear mongering for a moment . Whatever problems we face, we will solve it then. Just like we always did it.

I don't think so. It's hard to operate in the AI industry without a solid profit motive. Not that it matters. Either way I am happy with more AI tools available to me. What concerns me is they putting guard rails on AI because of woke stuff and now it's doesn't work as it used to. Even now chat gpt is not nearly usable. It's giving trash responses and less relevant information and declining answers without explanation. Another instance of why socialisms/communism/wokeism would never produce the intended outcomes.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/tyler-perry-ai-alarm-1235833276/ Now we all can start a film with a keyboard and some creativity instead of relying on Disney to give lectures on wokeism shoved in their movies. You do not need to invest 200 million in capital to make a movie. The cost should come down with AI. There should be some impact that put some power in the hands of the people. All these tools are out there for people who want to use it well. These are more reasons to be optimistic. -------------------- Government regulation of small business is the biggest thing that you should be scared of. You should lower the barrier to entry for small businesses. Regulation should be done in a less disruptive way. That is the real danger in the room.

This is harmful rhetoric. AI is putting power in the hands of people. The only way anyone make money in the free market is if they deliver value to people en masse. I do not care about some shameless billionaire adding an extra few billion into his pocket. It doesn't affect any of us except for climate change by their mammoth size emissions from private jets and yachts. Even capitalism is solving climate change by mass producing solar, wind and even nuclear infrastructure. Nobody is stopping us from solving the problems for solutions is right Infront of us. Also, they shouldn't use money & power to break or bend the laws. For e.g. stock buy backs is bad. All is well apart from that. We need to avoid such obvious breaking of rules. Apart from that all is well to be really honest. Now you can start many businesses without having a huge capital by levering the power of AI. You can start a business with 1k or 5k when that number used to be 10 times larger 20 years ago. That is only because of the tools that were produced by capitalism. You can use AI to help you assist in gathering information, doing small tasks, content writing, virtual assistant etc. You do not need to employ people to slave away in this kind of dead-end jobs. So, I am I supposed to be pissed off that the OpenAI board is getting billions from AI? I do not really care. I get more free stuff. We should be celebrating all of these. Only very tiny portion of stage orange include those "soulless corpos". That is why laws exist. If the government is not enforcing those laws, it is upon them. They shouldn't be taking bribes.

How much if this "late stage capitalism" is real? I don't see anything significant happening to capitalism as a whole and I don't see why we have to. Are we all going to shift to the Nordic model after capitalism? We would need a lot of resources for that, for which you need capitalism. The only way out of capitalism is through.

There is plenty of OpenAI's bias baked into AI long before the public can access it.

America is a work of art.

AGI isn't going to come anytime soon and I don't even see why we would need it. We could simply use Agents to do specific tasks. That's a much better case for AI. Also AI isn't going to such in real world tasks like driving cars or bees. But it's going to excel in digital work. Very interesting

Subhuman living conditions in a Russian shithole. What else is needed? It was only a matter of time.

Agreed. It was pretty dumb from Navalny to move to Russia, when he could have strategically made more of an impact if he simply didn't walk straight into them. He could have operated from outside, possibly bringing more international attention to the corruption within Russia. Afterall what do you expect from a society that was plagued by the worst ideology ever made by humans. Communism. They are suffering because of all the bullshit they have bought on themselves. You don't know the psychopathic manipulations that communists can pull off unless you have seen them directly or atleast hear it from someone who experienced it. Communism is degrading to the human soul. Which is why Russia/China simply cannot move on. Despite being a decently powerful & relatively big economy. They will crumble and they should.

They did the same to Assange and would do to Snowden of they could.

@zurew All these are massive oversimplifications of a complex geopolitical situation. It's not a country can simply "feel" threatened and use it as a justification to attack. There are serious people investing all their time and life assessing the geopolitical climate to arrive at the correct move. No country will go to war unless they are forced to. The cost of fighting a war is too damn high to do it on feelings. Your feelings are not backed by research or data, or merely supported by biased western reporting of the situation. There are plenty of people on YT giving insights into the complicated nature of the situation. I am forming my analysis only after watching all that.

Absolutely. As a leader, you should be able to make sure that the citizens of your country can sleep peacefully. I respect united states for threatening to invade Cuba when USSR tried to bring missiles in Cuba. It is giving them a strong reminder that "I do not take any shit from you, Back off". Being a leader is about having balls to say that. National security is everything. That is what Putin did. As a leader I respect his decision. Although war is despicable. The war happened because of geopolitical reasons which should be more than enough to convince America. Not because he is a war mongerer. He took a calculated decision to protect the integrity of Russia. You can criticize him for the merit of his decision. But not for the very decision itself. At least not as an American. Latvia & Estonia are surrounded by Russia on all sides and the Baltic Sea. And they are much weaker countries and there are many more geographic advantages to that favor Russia in the event of an invasion. He can invade it right now and NATO couldn't do shit. It is under their control. in other words, it is not a threat to Russia. Which further goes on to show how Russia took a calculated approach in invading Ukraine, since it was indeed a threat to Russia, even though it was not a part of NATO. But if Ukraine joins NATO, they will not remain under the Russian control like Estonia and Latvia. Written agreements are good enough to be followed as long as it suits their interest. You can always claim the agreement was not done in your favor and violate it. The fact that it is written or not doesn't hold much value. it is their intention that matters. Also, who is supposed to enforce such an agreement? If there is a written agreement between two people, then you can ask the government to enforce it? who is the enforcer here? Nobody. Governments are notorious for ditching agreements when it does not suit them, on a whim, because there is no one to stop them anyway.

Democracy is when you elect a dictator to serve 5 years until another comes up. The dude you elect does what the corporate overlords tell him to do. Basically, corporate dictatorship with extra steps. I have noticed it in India. The amount of vile corruption that were rampant a few years ago have gone and infrastructure have substantially improved. The existing corruption cases are more strictly investigated, although I wonder they will actually be convicted. But I should say it is a massive improvement compared to the shit show that happened 20 years ago. At some places the roads and parks are seemingly at western level that I wonder if I am lost in Canada or something. Electricity outages are rare and water is abundant. Not to say all is fine, but it is hard to ignore all the developments that are happening. I personally do not care about corruption as long as it does not affect the standard of the living too much. Which I why I do not think it is wise to orchestrate coups or radical acts to undo the corruption. Corruption should take itself out soon enough. But I do hope US can do something about North Korea though. Even in China, with record levels of corruption, the standard of living in some places are too damn high that they do not receive enough credit for it. But they might have to work 996. That is a serious downside. But not having democracy is self crippling in the long run no matter how good the standard of living gets.

The people of Ukraine do not want to fight and die leaving women and children at home. They are being conscripted beyond their will. Some of them are breaking their legs to not get conscripted. You are making it look like they are eager to feed themselves into the meat grinder. Let democracy prevail. If the people do not want to fight, they should not have to fight.

The "nonsense" excuse that you are talking about is the west not keeping its own word on not expanding the NATO borders which was vital to not cause needless wars. You are admitting that Putin was right in starting this war. There is no need for Putin to give a free ticket to the US to control the political landscape. There are lines that need to be drawn. Exactly my point. Those lines where the NATO borders agreed upon by the USSR. NATO clearly crossed it. The reason was clearly put on the table. To have national security for east and the west. And the west has crossed their lines by expanding beyond their border and there is no reason for Putin to sit and watch. ---- You should also consider the possibility of this kind of war strengthening Putin's stronghold on power. Dictators thrive on war and unstable political climate that can justify them holding onto power for as long as possible. Which is what Putin is doing. This war also helped Putin eliminate that Wagner group leader who were one of the strong challengers to Putin out there. So he is getting stronger and not weaker.

Democracy is necessary for doing business with tertiary level industries like tourism and IT. Not Primary and secondary level industries. There are three different types of Industries: 1) Natural resources oil, coal, agriculture etc.(primary) 2) Manufacturing goods(secondary) 3) Services. (tertiary) Do you think a stable democratically elected government will allow their underage kids to work in mines to make batteries for iPhones and Tesla superchargers for people in the west? No. That's why if your intention is to exploit cheap labor and natural resources, then it is in your best interest to have dictators that would silence these organic movements that people raise. The whole economic model of the US lies in exploiting cheap labor in undemocratic countries. There would not be any iphones or Teslas or green energy without it. Does the US care about human rights and democracy for people who work in sweat shops? The US benefits from not being democracy in these places. That is why US funds and overthrows democratically elected governments especially, after they nationalized their oil industry. 1) Jacobo Árbenz in Guatemala in 1954 2) Mohammad Mossadegh, democratically elected in 1951, overthrew by operation ajax in 1953. 3) Salvador Allende democratically elected in 1971 aimed to nationalize certain industries (not even oil) that would hurt US business interest. Project FUBELT funded and orchestrated by US destabilized the government. So do not make it look like democracy is necessary for all sorts of business. Cold hard dictators are good business dealers for exploiting cheap natural resources. Both of them are looking forward to advancing their corporate interests. That's the crux. Putin is the corporate Lord of Russia. He is the deep state of Russia. Power, Money, Business, reign supreme. All of those are orange values. The only difference is that US has to justify what they are doing to their people and Russia do not. So, the US spreads propaganda about human rights violations and lack of democracy in these nations as a reason why they orchestrated the coup to mask their business interests.

Awesome work man. I am delighted.

Um coz they do not have oil reserves? Now I have to explain why US do not overthrow governments lol. Most of the cases, it is to advance their business interests and exploit their natural resources. Democracy and human rights are the mask they use to cover their business interests. They would do a calculation. How much resources they have or how much is the threat this country is to the US? Then how much resources are needed to overthrow them. Then based on this calculation, including a whole other bunch of factors they would go forward. US is acting as stage orange while Leo thinks they act as stage Green/Yellow. That is the whole confusion. A few notable examples: 1) Do you think that US gives a shit about China invading Taiwan is it wasn't for high end chips? lol no. But US would make the whole thing about how they are protecting the democracy in Taiwan, potentially risking a war with China. That is not the case at all. 2) Likewise, US would fund Pakistan to keep the tensions with India high so that they can sell more weapons to both states. Does the US care about the corruption and blatant military funded terrorism in Pakistan? Nope. Getting India to high tensions with Pakistan will always mean western weapons will be in high demand. And NATO expansion, breaking pacts made with the USSR, is how you destroy Russian corruption? Then you are basically asserting that waging a proxy war with Russia is how you combat the Russian corruption. Which is totally fine. But that implies that you value the destruction of Russian corruption more than the lives of the families of the soldiers that die in the war. I would rather keep the Russian corruption rather than sacrificing hundreds and thousands of lives and hundreds of billions in damage to property. I thought that you should do whatever it takes to avoid the war at all costs. And it is yet to see if this war is making Russia/Putin more powerful than it/he already it. I have been seeing thousands of predictions of how Russia is going to collapse the next month and nothing of that sort is happening quite yet. Russia is selling oil at prices much higher than the imposed price cap, western tech finding its way to Russian markets through alternate routes, and Ukraine economy is wrecked beyond repair. nice pun.