Bobby_2021

Liberals want to undo capitalism. They don't distinguish excessive capitalism and normal capitalism. Capitalism == Exploitation, in their minds. Also the terms liberals are simply referring to left wing liberals in America and not what I strictly mean by liberalism. As it turns out, the right wing is the one who champions most liberal values at the moment, except for abortion rights.

The right wing is easy to identify and criticize. Nobody denied Hitler was right wing. And although hitler was not a conservative, strictly speaking, he did appeal to a conservative mind. But a conservative mind would never do the things a hitler do. These things are not even denied. Obvious. The problem is that people make it hard to identify left wing. Communists always play this game. >First they implement some bullshit leftist utopian vision. >Kill hundred million people. >Oppsie we were right wing all along. You can maintain this fluidity and bitch about implementing any far left policy and claim that people who failed it were simply right wing. This is giving us reasons to be more genuinely conservative. This is why people don't really understand or value the terms like socialism or even communism. It doesn't really mean anything. Because once they fail, it was not socialism afterall. Because by definition socialism is heaven. As long as heaven is not reached, it's not socialism. Liberals should limit their talking points to individual rights and what pertains to individual freedoms. Like LGBTQ, Privacy, Free Speech, abortion rights, Right to free health care etc. Even letting them talk about healthcare is already a huge stretch, but we can allow it. Liberals should not be talking about how to run a society or nation as a whole. They will run it down to ruins if they are allowed to talk about such stuff. They go no idea how the world functions as a whole. Also conservatives should stop talking about individual freedoms, because they do not value it.

@NightHawkBuzz Look into starting your marketing agency or smma. Big money to be made in there, still.

Words do not matter at all. If you can assert that CCP, Putin, Xi, Kim are all right wing fanatics even though they purport textbook left wing nonsense, words do not matter at all. Was Soviet Russia left wing or right wing? Nah bro they are orange capitalists using liberal brainwashing to maintain their green image. They don't believe in the things they say. Google is pretty much like Soviet Union. Speak progressive stuff, and then do monopolistic capitalist stuff when no one is watching. Same with Microsoft and Apple. You cannot deny this because thier hypocrisy so obvious. Well, you can judge them whatever you want. But if you want to create utopia, then you need plenty of slave labour. Liberals want to create utopia, but they are opposed to slave labour. They even employe slave labour in secrecy. Which is why I day they are not the liberals they think they are. Look at actions. Google exploits slave labour. All those hippie silicon valley startups will lose their hippie outlook once they run out of investors money. Apple literally exploits the living fuck out of third world countries and their lose laws on human rights. But they have a gay ceo so all is fine. You are beyond naive when you say that capitalism is being phase out lmao. We have more capitalism than ever. This is why I say liberalism is a facade that can be maintained only by brainwashing people into being in a bubble. Apple wouldn't exist without slavery. Get that first. Do I blame Apple? Not really. They have created a fantastic product on top of exploiting slave labour from China and Bangladesh. Props to them. Congratulations to you as well now you can purport more liberal brainwashing on using products built from slave labour. So my question is to you is, is Apple left wing liberal or right wing conservative?

The collective development of a society depends upon the circumstances that the they found themselves in. Not necessarily because they were highly developed to begin with. Likewise, Utopias you dream of, do not happen because of "higher development" of the people. These hippies do nothing to push society forward, and hence they are not really the bleeding edge liberals they think they are. Leftist hippies are quite underdeveloped compared to many orange capitalists. It's a complicated topic that needs some uncovering on the systemic skipped & stunted development of the hippies. Utopias happen due to the grinding work of the capitalists and the so called right wing conservatives and the slave labour they employ. But you think they are underdeveloped and that's blatantly wrong. ----------- Also the discussion is to find out who are the conservatives and who are the Liberals since people can speak of anything they want. That doesn't mean anything to their status of development. You should look at what they are *doing* to assess their development. This thread doesn't even touch that kind of depth of assessment.

This maneuver took 500 years.

@EdgeGod900 haha got it. What you think about work and what you might end up actually doing may be a lot different. So be sure that social work is indeed in alignment with your values. So obviously you have to go do it for a year or two to make sure it is in alignment with your values or not. These think tanks usually are propaganda machines of their donors. Does it always have to be the case? Nope. But it is the case a lot of times. They may not be interested in orchestrating systemic changes to societies. They are also in the business of survival and that corrupts their work as well. At the end of the day, your plan in the micro domain also matters in the long run. I am not pushing anything but I just wanted to make the options out there for him. Sorry if I came across otherwise.

Just do it already.

@Nivsch There are several reportings from reputed agencies like BBC that says that the IDF has been blocking food trucks from entering Gaza. Seems trustable. Israel has nothing to gain from them starving or not starving. But having killed 2 million people will stay with them forever if that's what this is going to end in. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68478831 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248

Hey man do you like coding? I recently discovered the rust programming language and I love it. Something tells me that you might like it. Because it's pretty intellectually stimulating, atleast for me. It won't be easy but it's possible to get jobs with some effort. Have you joined college already?

All of that is true, but they should just allow a bunch of food trucks to pass through. That's no big deal I suppose. I always defended Israel's decision to attack and kill terrorists, even when it comes at significant collateral damage and civilian casualties. But you can't starve those 2 million people to death. This is starting to look like a real genocide, if they are being starving to death. This will never look good on Israel.

The job market is wrecked at the moment. It's not your fault. Going to do masters may not be the best idea. Degrees do not matter as much as they used to. You have to earn name by doing free work of some kind. This is the only solution for the moment that you could do.

Never ask a German company what they did between 1925 and 1945.😅

This conversation is heavily skewed into favouring left wing as if everything lower down the spiral is inherently right wing. You cannot create wealth and freedom with Egalitarianism. You cannot create a left wing utopia and still have egalitarianism and equality. Utopias are created by capitalism. Slavery was required to build walls which created a small utopia at the time. You cannot have freedom(liberalism), equality(Egalitarianism) and wealth(Capitalism). You can pick 2 at best, if that's even possible at all. You cannot create AI without massive exploitation and crony capitalism. If you want massive wealth, you need hierarchies & crony capitalism. We do not have enough Capitalism in the world today. Capitalism and hierarchies has contributed more to the "utopian" vision than egalitarianism ever did and will ever do. Yes, they want to accumulate massive wealth for themselves, but they are also bringing massive wealth into the economy. The most egalitarian societies are built under slavery, oppression and sterilization of minorities and weak people and they also managed to whitewash their history.

Let's be real. You wouldn't let her do that and rightly so. It's okay to not give up to the angry leftists and have strong family values. The propensity for women to get fucked over is not little. You can let her learn her lessons and grow. But I would rather not have her go through all that.

You are not allowed criticize Islam like you do with others. Although there are many countries that ban it.

@Danioover9000 Your posts are something that I can't be sure if your ghost friend is posting on behalf of you.

What I got from this discussion is: Going by structural peculiarities 80% of the world is right wing and the remaining left ones will barely ever get to power, or even worse become right wing in the process. Basically completely disregard their flag or what they speak.

The most egalitarian countries of today, the Scandinavian countries went through Nazi style sterilization in the 20th centuries aimed at minorities, mixed race and women. There are archeological evidence to suggest that they went through ethnic cleansing as early as 1000 AD. That might have contributed to their enthic homogeneity and the subsequent egalitarianism. They had a similar goal as that of Hitler. Now they are ethnically homogeneous and pretty egalitarian. I am not endorsing it, but this could have been very well the result of Nazi Germany had they won the war.

Basically all of establishment democrats are right wing then. Yeah I can agree with all this but this is just making it too convenient to change the goal posts as necessary. I don't think right wing leaders use force as you make it out to be. They have their own agenda like leftists. Just because they don't use force doesn't mean that's they don't do shady stuff either.

Hitler wanted to create an ethnically homogeneous society. One where races he deemed as inferior didn't exist. An ethnically homogeneous is quite egalitarian, void of any hierarchies whatsoever. You need many different groups in the first place to form hierarchies. Hitler wanted to eliminate such hierarchies. Conservatives love of a strong leader cannot be likened to their love of hierarchies. Conservatives love hierarchies for sure. But that's not what hitler had in mind. It was a quite egalitarian society. It's quite hard for an ethnically heterogeneous society to be egalitarian.

Dear Leo, let me tell you something. Every single leader in this world resorts to criminal domination to hold on to power. It's simply what demands of that position. It's not because the country as a whole are underdeveloped. It's usually underdeveloped people who are fanatics of power in almost every country. As a matter of fact, it's said that you can't make $10m dollars without making enemies or having to kill people simply because there are people willing to die and kill for such positions. Maybe that number could be $50m or $100m don't know how much this is true, but you get the point. The stakes are even high in powerful political positions. And this is very intellectually dishonest definitions. You are claiming that every leftist leader who does criminal shit under the hood is right wing, because it is right wing behaviour to do criminal shit. Tf?? This is like saying Bernie Sanders is left wing but only until you find bodies in his house. But when you finally see that he did some shady shit, you simply shift your stance to say that he was right wing after all. This is sneaky play with definitions. You define left wing as objectively good and right wing as bad. I can see through it. It's not so hard. Give me one condition when leftists can do bad stuff. Atleast in theory.

Nice joke. You are telling me a that a country like Russia ignored all their communist left wing history to elect a right wing leader. That's the most progressive and bold move you can think of. They are not interested in conserving their past it seems since they changed their entire politics from far left to far right. So either they are not conservative right wing, or they don't have a communist left wing past they need to preserve. Your logic eats itself. Are going to admit that Russia had a right wing past? Because conservatives has to conserve the past. That's the essence of conservatism. Big surprise, left wing can also be conservative. It's human nature to want to conserve the past. Which is why I say that conservatism/liberalism isn't a left or right thing.

Putin and Kim Jong are nationalists. So are they right wing?