Bobby_2021

US govt walks up to other govts doorstep and overthrows them and exploits the entire countries wealth which runs in the Trillions. I am still talking about Ukraine. And Americans don't have to imagine this. As I said earlier your daddy govt does it for you. You can remain blissfully oblivious to it.

I don't downplaying anything. The difference in scale is so astronomical that it's like saying Andrew Tate is scammer as much as your those locals charging extra from foreign tourists visiting poor countries. The west has astronomically more devilry from exploiting the global South. It's just a fact of the capitalist machinery. What do you want me to say? That both are equally corrupt? Consider that the world hates west for legit reasons. Just like the world hates Hitler. It's not for no reason. Do self introspection on the insane devilry of the west. I am pointing it out for you. @Leo Gura Notice how you derailed my initial point on inter-nation exploitation to internal exploitations occuring within nations. You are still doing false equivalence either way. Trillions and Billions are not the same no matter how much you try to twist it. I don't deny exploitation within. But that was not the point. You conveniently ignore the larger context in which internal exploitations happen. Which is global exploitations in the level of Trillions. This is like saying Hamas scams Gazans while Israel is bombing their kids. There is a small difference I guess. I would gladly allow myself to get scammed for few dollars in exchange for not getting fucking bombed by IDF.

There will be more wars then. Perhaps you should wait for all wars to end first. If you are destined to fight endless wars and get people bombed in the process, so be it. Americans leaders were high on "winning the cold war". Their arrogance would mean that they wouldn't listen to anyone on anything. So don't bother. Expert among themselves who have raised a sane voice were silenced. It doesn't take a genius to avoid war. They didn't learn their lesson from Vietnam. If you do illegal shit, there will be consequences for it sooner than later. Those US leaders thought they could escape scott free. But didn't. They destabilized the middle east and still suffering for it. Look at them now. Do you think they have learned one bit? No. They will keep doing this shit. But times have changed. There will be consequences from now on.

How to deal with ISIS? 1. Don't engage in illegal occupation or settler colonialism. 2. Do not destabilize the middle east. 3. Ditch escalation dominance. You are not nearly as powerful as you think. With that said, these are general stuff. I don't know any specifics of the situation with ISIS. Either way western leaders don't have the maturity to deal with it so I have zero expectations. Those shitheads will make it worse. Not making it worse would be good enough at this point. --- Also, this is normal capitalism. No one is talking capitalism too far. Marx made the observation that capitalism would crumble in on Itself from the freaking 1800s. This is standard capitalism acting itself out.

Too cute that you think any respectable left exist in the United States. The left we have now is struggling to cope within the larger capitalist framework and propaganda. Socialism can work. Socialist economics work. Socialism made humanity a space faring civilization. They did understand economics and business quite well. Like you said earlier, socialism/leftism needs higher development to work. When the capitalist machine is ruthlessly attacking or bombing left leaning governments and overthrowing their democracy, they crumble and regress back a few stages. A proper leftist government without foreign interference would work like a charm. China is a larger economy than the US lol. And you think they don't understand economics? Maybe start giving more respect to anything that comes from outside of burgerland?

These words are empty mate. What are you trying to say? Of course I have a do-not-bomb-kids bias. If that translates into an anti western bias, you know where the problem is. Basically capitalism eating itself out. Yet to see where this lands.

Stop bombing kids. That would be a good start. Because you bomb kids and infringe on the sovereignty of others people. What do you expect? Of course you will get hate. Everyone is shouting healthy solutions in your face literally all the time. Stop bombing kids. Stop invading other countries. Stop engaging in random wars. Nobody likes you.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802200005X#:~:text=Rich countries rely on a,of underdevelopment and global inequality. How is scamming tourists really scamming if we are just taking our own money back. Drain from the South is only 10 Trillion $$ per year guys, not much. West and East are equally scammers. Nothing peculiar to the west. Completely normal behaviour.

Bad false equivalence. A man stealing a bag of rice to feed his kids is not the same as CEOs looking like fat pigs stealing Trillions from entire freaking countries. Talk about scale. Perhaps they wouldn't have had to scam you if they were allowed a dignified life. Industrial scale scamming and looting is specific to the west. You are more likely to get scammed in Palestine than in Israel. I wonder why. You are more likely to get scammed visiting Afganistan than US. I wonder why. Omg it's so hard for you guys to not bomb countries and hit them with sanctions and cry about being scammed for a few dollars. Get a life Lol.

Being an average citizen in the western world is like being Andrew Tate's children. You will be rich and grow up with a good standard of living, but never know about the dark shit your daddy govt had to do to get you to this level of quality of life. Andrew literally moved to a third world country to exploit their women for cheap labour and made millions and laundered it all in Dubai and elsewhere. Stealing and looting is the easiest way to get rich, believe it or not. The trick is in sweeping it under the rug and coming up with clunky and weird justifications for it. As if there are "other factors" lmao. The biggest factor is the shackles on their feet ser.

If "striking a balance" includes bombing other countries to fuck, overthrowing their democracies and colonialism then yes the collective west is pretty good at that. Appreciate how China is already the world's largest economy in the world without having invaded or looted any other country. They don't give a fuck about western style "free markets" or capitalism. Yet they enjoy all the benefits of it. Appreciate how India is already the world's 3rd largest economy merely 75 years after Independence from the British rule. On top of never having bombed or invading any other country. Notice that you you don't want to talk about all the horrible things west did so that you could have a good quality of life. You are ready to talk about literally anything but this lol.

Different places, same playbook.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000 Most of the murders that occurred on oct 7 may be done by the IDF than hamas. Hamas did some horrible murders. No question about it. But if IDF used Hannibal directive to avoid the hostage crisis, then it only makes hamas look less of a villian than initially portrayed.

Nah bombing kids is far worse.

Worse for US since they no longer can exploit everyone to death. But better for the world as a whole. Notice how many bombings and war the US had to engage in to be the superpower of the world. Now check the GDP(PPP) of China. They are already the bigger superpower. How many wars did they fight? Almost none. The west is inherently more violent than the east. Sharing power with the east is better for the world as a whole.

Sometimes that baby grows a pair of balls and rips that parasite off. Which is what Russia did. Countries will no longer allow themselves to be subjugated with the "Rules based international order". --- @eleanor In my opinion you did the right thing 30 years ago. Although now it's pretty bad everywhere so no qualms. Uk is essentially a giant bank that holds the money from all the exploitation they did from the rest of the world. It's locked up in the hands of the monarchy and financial institutions. It's works as long as there are things in the world to buy up. But that pile of cash could be very quickly rendered useless if you lose that buying power. Dangerous position to be in.

"It's popular on the left to blame capitalists." My dude, entirety of Leftism is grounded on blaming the capitalists. Please make it clear which side you are on. If you defending the capitalists abroad make sure to do it at home as well, because it's literally the exact same corporations. You may even get paid by the orange guy. If these mega corporations can corrupt the US govt, imagine what they can do to a small African govt. Exactly. There is no point to leftism without it. Even liberalism isn't proper leftism which is why Marx hated it and warned against it. Liberalism is a twisted inversion of nature. It claims to be against inequality, but it needs inequality to survive. It claims to be against racism, but has their own prefered races. It says it's pro freedom but fucks anyone who disagree with them with shitload of sanctions, coups, invasions and bombing campaigns. Liberalism is a byproduct of capitalism riddled with the same contradiction that it would crumble on itself. The only good thing coming from the left is defending against wretched capitalist exploitation. Yes it's true. Eastern Europe was like this during USSR. Even though they weren't bloody rich, everyone had a nice country life. After the collapse of the USSR they were promised integration into the western neocolonial economy and they are now being ghost towns. Protect those places from these corporations. Once these corporations come with their "development" they would fuck you over.

I don't get what you mean by this, but if you referring to the interference of the west on the exploitation of the global South as merely parasitic, then you miss the point. It's more like shackles put on the baby, not an annoying parasite. You literally employ kids in Africa to mine cobalt for your freaking solar panels. Parasites would have been far more preferable. You are downplaying the capitalist exploitation in a blatantly hypocritical fashion, but you do care about capitalist exploitation when it happens in your own country on your own citizens. Okay so now don't blame capitalists for getting tax cuts, busting unions and scraping social programs. "It's popular on the left to blame lack of development of workers on capitalists. No amount of capitalist blaming would stop that. If you don't like jobs then don't work. Remove that parasite. Secure the baby. The workers should get more developed on their own. Don't blame capitalists." if I borrow your own words lmao. You know very well how socio economic exploitation would lead to regression in development. You can find capitalist exploitation leading to corruption and inequality in your country but fail to notice even more blatant abuse of capitalism by those same corporations abroad. It's understandable because you are in the business of not getting it for obvious reasons.

Simply answer, US never allowed them to develop, with implicit (sanctions, coups, slavery) and explicit (bombings) means. Imagine bombing the Scandinavian countries to fuck in the 1900s and saying "they never developed themselves in the first place" lmao. Well, if you first agreed to stop bombing it to fuck, then maybe they could have developed. Ask yourself why North Korea is so underdeveloped. Because they are under crippling sanctions by from the rest of the world. Same with Iran and now Russia. There are also a few cases of geography being too harsh for development, but this isn't the norm. Following the WW2 the US engaged in a systematic bombing campaign on all the allies of the USSR and infringed on their sovereignty by overthrow their liberal democratic governments, bombing them, and sanctioning them. These countries were far more developed until the US intervened in their domestic politics for exploitation of natural resources like oil, food and cheap labour. For example this is women in Iran walked around. The USSR was also incredibly progressive in women's rights and education. https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/iran-before-revolution-photos/ But US overthrew their *democratically* elected leader which led to significant opposition from the general populace which led to the Islamic revolution of 1979. Notice that higher developed countries often do not have aggressive military to fend of the neocolonial capitalist machine of the US. So they were sitting ducks for CIA coups, bombings by the military and financial exploitations by Americans the and intentionally destabilizing entire continents in the name of Freedooomb and dumbocracy lmao.

Lmao "never developed themselves" The Indian subcontinent was literally the wealthiest part of the world before British colonisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_world#:~:text=Up until the early 18th,largest economies by GDP output. The British looted and stole half of the world's wealth with their armies, colonial crony capitalism & explicit slavery. US now follows the same path with neoliberal neocolonial implicit ( and sometimes explicit) slavery on the global South. You are invested to not understand this because 1) You are a direct beneficiary of it and 2) You have to uphold the same neoliberal values as if some sort of forward thinking vision even though it's dead clear that it's leading your own country to shit right infront of your eyes. You can live off exploitation for so long until it starts to crumble in on itself. Still cleaner than walking with leftover shit in the ass.

ICJ ruling doesn't affect Israel at all since onbody is there to enforce it. But illegal settlers will face consequences for their actions.

Rest of the "developed" world are vassal states of the US and the "underdeveloped" world are living by exporting goods and services to US at cheap rates. So unless you are willing to spend in $$ to take advantage of purchasing power parity, moving anywhere doesn't make sense. It will cost more to move and get established in the new place. The whole "democratic death spiral" thing isn't going to affect you in the slightest way for sure.

That's because they are kept underdeveloped by the neoliberals for extracting cheap resources and labour. Neoliberal style capitalism is the biggest reason for why they are underdeveloped, more factually kept as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

They didn't like Ukraine right from the start. They want what's buried under it.

Everything about NATO is a shame except for what it was initially meant for: Countering the USSR. After 1991 the world has moved on. The world at large realized that war is counterproductive to all parties involved and should be avoided at all costs unless they are pushed into it. You might wonder what's the need to keep a military alliance of all, growing like this. Follow the money and you will see the biggest beneficiary of them all is the military industrial complex. They get handed paychecks in the billions for building weapons that creates nothing but death and destruction for poor children. Why do we even allow such unethical entities to even exist? Even while they do exist they should be systematically phased out, not bolstered like crazy. NATO has illegally invaded and bombed countries, lied about expansion, broken promises, have no ideals except for their lobby and failed almost all wars they have gotten into while destabilizing everywhere it has gone into while wasting trillions that could have been invested in healthcare, research or education. Somehow we are supposed to believe that these are the morons of the free world, whatever that means.