Bobby_2021

The west institutionalise collective punishment as a weapon. Like sanctions imposed on Russia. It doesn't affect Putin or his buddies in the worst case. But they still do it so that the population has to suffer. Same with Iran and North Korea. These sanction only suffocate the average folk. So people has this idea in their mind that if some govt is doing bad shit, they have to enforce some sort of collective punishment on the average citizen who have no clue what's going on. This may lead to racism as a second order effect. But it is racism to sanction Russian athletes and artists taking away their opportunities for something Putin is doing.

@Karmadhi Israel is a beautiful country I like to visit once. The problem is that the entire western attitude of grouping together people into one blob and hating them for something that some leaders did. For example there was plenty of Russophobia after the Ukraine special military operation in Feb 2022. The hate against Russian general populace was so avid that the west feels like it needed to sanction athletes and artists from participating in events as a form of *collective punishment*. This collective punishment is totally unwarranted. But that is a creation of the west in the first place. Goes to show how the hate always somehow finds a way back.

Kamala harris is insufferably incoherent. I cannot get myself listen to her speak. She definitely losing with this unlikable personality.

Overthrowing a democratically leader, stealing their oil and siphoning their natural wealth to mega corporations in the west, and as if all of that is not enough, sanctioning them and anyone who does business with them is the epitome of secularism and progressivism. I wonder why you didn't mention freedom and democracy as well with secularism and progressivism. That's a match made in hell. Thanks to the CIA women have to wear Burqas instead of Bikinis now. 😂

You better not infringe on your partners sovereignty like United States infringes on the sovereignty of liberal leftist democratic states.

" No Leo, women wearing bikinis in Iran was made possible only due to the hard work of many people including many American missionaries. It does point to systematic painstaking developmental efforts over a long period of time that was making astounding progress till 1979. At times it was met with resistance from rural parts of the country. They pushed it slowly and steadily regardless. Imagine if they also had the wealth of their own oil fields, coupled with a progressive establishment instead of losing it to British and the Americans. As if overthrowing their democracy isn't enough, they even imposed sanctions on the Iranian people to further subjugate them even today. All of it is supposed to have no effects on their development. Nice joke. This is criminal domination 101 with all means possible combined with victim blaming. In short, western intervention is to blame and nothing else. There are no "other factors" bullshit.

The whole problem is the genocidal state of Is***l's lobby has the US congress by the balls. And the genocidal state wants nothing but total domination. So they drag US to random wars and destabilize the living shit out of middle east. Then blame islamic fundamentalism. All of it will come back to bite it's own ass.

I cannot help it. Leo is fundamentally biased with western dogma even though he himself is Ukrainian. I don't know how it this even possible. How can you sit and watch you own people getting subjugated by western capitalist interests while you blame them for their "lack of development". In an older thread, Leo explained how the liberal outlook of California is what attracted billions wealth, eventually leading California being richer than many countries. This is in part to being California's geography and it being the last to be colonized. But when I pointed out that Indian subcontinent was the wealthiest part of the world before British colonisation, suddenly he pointed out that wealth doesn't equal development. California being the last to get colonized makes it liberal and highly developed and wealthy, according to his own words. But India being colonized and looted for 200 years is itself responsible for the lack of development, and has nothing to do with colonization. Lmao I can't.

https://imgur.com/gallery/iran-1970s-before-islamic-revolution-pmiVZFM Please don't come back at me with CIA rhetoric that Islamic revolution did the damage in 1979 as if it happened in a vaccum. Research how the Islamic revolution came to be. Think about why the middle east has become so destabilized. You are so close. Do some research. Ask to Claude 3.5 Sonnet.

Let's do a few case studies. We are arguing too much in abstractions. Talk about the real world. 1. Do you think overthrowing the democratically elected president of Iran in 1953 by the CIA was the primary reason for the lack of development of Iran today? Keep in mind the crippling sanctions imposed on Iran too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_in_Iran#:~:text=In this period%2C women were,political activism to some extent. We can use women's rights in Iran as a gauge for development. 2. Do you think expanding NATO into Ukraine and selling their land to BlackRock for pennies on the dollar has resulted in their lack of development now? [ Think about all the crimes that are about to rise, Demographic collapse and widow villages ] 3. Do you think the back to back Invasions of Afganistan has resulted in their stunted devlopment ? How was Afganistan back before 1979? Again, use women's rights as a gauge for development. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/slideshows/womens-rights-in-afghanistan-a-timeline?slide=2 Keep in mind that women got the right to vote in Afganistan one year before women in the freaking United States of America. @Leo Gura Take your time and tell me what you think about it.

Please tell me why these things happen. What's truly at stake? I am listening.

US govt walks up to other govts doorstep and overthrows them and exploits the entire countries wealth which runs in the Trillions. I am still talking about Ukraine. And Americans don't have to imagine this. As I said earlier your daddy govt does it for you. You can remain blissfully oblivious to it.

I don't downplaying anything. The difference in scale is so astronomical that it's like saying Andrew Tate is scammer as much as your those locals charging extra from foreign tourists visiting poor countries. The west has astronomically more devilry from exploiting the global South. It's just a fact of the capitalist machinery. What do you want me to say? That both are equally corrupt? Consider that the world hates west for legit reasons. Just like the world hates Hitler. It's not for no reason. Do self introspection on the insane devilry of the west. I am pointing it out for you. @Leo Gura Notice how you derailed my initial point on inter-nation exploitation to internal exploitations occuring within nations. You are still doing false equivalence either way. Trillions and Billions are not the same no matter how much you try to twist it. I don't deny exploitation within. But that was not the point. You conveniently ignore the larger context in which internal exploitations happen. Which is global exploitations in the level of Trillions. This is like saying Hamas scams Gazans while Israel is bombing their kids. There is a small difference I guess. I would gladly allow myself to get scammed for few dollars in exchange for not getting fucking bombed by IDF.

There will be more wars then. Perhaps you should wait for all wars to end first. If you are destined to fight endless wars and get people bombed in the process, so be it. Americans leaders were high on "winning the cold war". Their arrogance would mean that they wouldn't listen to anyone on anything. So don't bother. Expert among themselves who have raised a sane voice were silenced. It doesn't take a genius to avoid war. They didn't learn their lesson from Vietnam. If you do illegal shit, there will be consequences for it sooner than later. Those US leaders thought they could escape scott free. But didn't. They destabilized the middle east and still suffering for it. Look at them now. Do you think they have learned one bit? No. They will keep doing this shit. But times have changed. There will be consequences from now on.

How to deal with ISIS? 1. Don't engage in illegal occupation or settler colonialism. 2. Do not destabilize the middle east. 3. Ditch escalation dominance. You are not nearly as powerful as you think. With that said, these are general stuff. I don't know any specifics of the situation with ISIS. Either way western leaders don't have the maturity to deal with it so I have zero expectations. Those shitheads will make it worse. Not making it worse would be good enough at this point. --- Also, this is normal capitalism. No one is talking capitalism too far. Marx made the observation that capitalism would crumble in on Itself from the freaking 1800s. This is standard capitalism acting itself out.

Too cute that you think any respectable left exist in the United States. The left we have now is struggling to cope within the larger capitalist framework and propaganda. Socialism can work. Socialist economics work. Socialism made humanity a space faring civilization. They did understand economics and business quite well. Like you said earlier, socialism/leftism needs higher development to work. When the capitalist machine is ruthlessly attacking or bombing left leaning governments and overthrowing their democracy, they crumble and regress back a few stages. A proper leftist government without foreign interference would work like a charm. China is a larger economy than the US lol. And you think they don't understand economics? Maybe start giving more respect to anything that comes from outside of burgerland?

These words are empty mate. What are you trying to say? Of course I have a do-not-bomb-kids bias. If that translates into an anti western bias, you know where the problem is. Basically capitalism eating itself out. Yet to see where this lands.

Stop bombing kids. That would be a good start. Because you bomb kids and infringe on the sovereignty of others people. What do you expect? Of course you will get hate. Everyone is shouting healthy solutions in your face literally all the time. Stop bombing kids. Stop invading other countries. Stop engaging in random wars. Nobody likes you.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802200005X#:~:text=Rich countries rely on a,of underdevelopment and global inequality. How is scamming tourists really scamming if we are just taking our own money back. Drain from the South is only 10 Trillion $$ per year guys, not much. West and East are equally scammers. Nothing peculiar to the west. Completely normal behaviour.

Bad false equivalence. A man stealing a bag of rice to feed his kids is not the same as CEOs looking like fat pigs stealing Trillions from entire freaking countries. Talk about scale. Perhaps they wouldn't have had to scam you if they were allowed a dignified life. Industrial scale scamming and looting is specific to the west. You are more likely to get scammed in Palestine than in Israel. I wonder why. You are more likely to get scammed visiting Afganistan than US. I wonder why. Omg it's so hard for you guys to not bomb countries and hit them with sanctions and cry about being scammed for a few dollars. Get a life Lol.

Being an average citizen in the western world is like being Andrew Tate's children. You will be rich and grow up with a good standard of living, but never know about the dark shit your daddy govt had to do to get you to this level of quality of life. Andrew literally moved to a third world country to exploit their women for cheap labour and made millions and laundered it all in Dubai and elsewhere. Stealing and looting is the easiest way to get rich, believe it or not. The trick is in sweeping it under the rug and coming up with clunky and weird justifications for it. As if there are "other factors" lmao. The biggest factor is the shackles on their feet ser.

If "striking a balance" includes bombing other countries to fuck, overthrowing their democracies and colonialism then yes the collective west is pretty good at that. Appreciate how China is already the world's largest economy in the world without having invaded or looted any other country. They don't give a fuck about western style "free markets" or capitalism. Yet they enjoy all the benefits of it. Appreciate how India is already the world's 3rd largest economy merely 75 years after Independence from the British rule. On top of never having bombed or invading any other country. Notice that you you don't want to talk about all the horrible things west did so that you could have a good quality of life. You are ready to talk about literally anything but this lol.

Different places, same playbook.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000 Most of the murders that occurred on oct 7 may be done by the IDF than hamas. Hamas did some horrible murders. No question about it. But if IDF used Hannibal directive to avoid the hostage crisis, then it only makes hamas look less of a villian than initially portrayed.

Nah bombing kids is far worse.