Bobby_2021

Nobody is even contesting you on your claims on the USSR. How about you study China instead?

@Leo Gura I am not a simpleton to be making stupid claims. You can learn and improve from the systems that your parents lived in. No one denies that they were rotten systems. But when new systems are introduced that takes the good parts of them, you should appreciate the evolved system for what it is and not reduce it to some crappier version of it. China is the best case real world implementation of Marxism. And it's not capitalism like you like to claim. Just allow human beings to be wrong okay. Yes they fucked up in the past. And they came up with an improved system. But the trick is if you can recognise how the new system is evolved from the traditional capitalist socialist systems of the 20th century.

Because it has went through awful history. Defending a (questionable) genocide and the worst bombing campaign in history doesn't look well on you either.

@Leo Gura Implementing utopian ambitious ideals runs the risk of turning into a cluster fuck. Occassionally when things do not turn into a clusterfuck, you should acknowledge that it could be done at all. At least the possibility if it. That requires an appreciation of complexity, appreciation of multiple perspectives etc.

This thread has a lot of room to work with. We need to be discussing a lot on how Marx saw the world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/xi-modi-discuss-ukraine-war-with-putin-brics-considers-expansion-2024-10-23/

NK doesn't do that on a national scale. I am sure they have something similar to black rooms and Guantanamo bay. Within their limited means. Through integration with Russia + BRICS. I don't see any other way they can thrive. The west has thrown them under the bus. BRICS will give them a second chance. It's not like the 90s anymore. NK can look upto more countries other than the collective west to do business with.

It would be inaccurate to refer to China as capitalist.

My response is still the same. Put things in perspective. NK has to do horrible things to survive because the US has bombed all infrastructure that facilitate means of honest living. You will resort to heightened levels of corruption if your house is bombed and family is destroyed. Of course there will be corruption and dark stuff. But it's not like these doesn't happen in the west too.

Have you read torture methods by the CIA? Psychological torture methods at that even? Every nation state does kind of stuff.

Only 40k dead? I bet the actual number is close to 100k. deception all the way. What's really interesting is if Israel being a contrived and fragile society even survive with such high levels of deception in 2024. Hezbollah needs to prolong the war enough to keep Israel bleeding and not let Bibi accomplish his political objectives and the succeeding party would not be remotely interested in anything war or brutality. Whoever playing the long game wins.

@Lyubov You are detached enough to make an honest assessment of the matter. Great work.

@Nemra If the hospitals could access the electronic equipment for logging patient information if not for sanctions, then of course you could serve more people. Of course you can serve a lesser section of the people if you have to maintain all systems with pen and paper. If you are so concerned about unequal access then lift sanctions. 2. Defectors always exaggerate. This is typical of all people escaping countries that were victims of past colonial oppression. The people who are more eager to leave are also the people most disgusted by the regime so they will spew their hatred of it when they finally escape. You need to take suh reports and put it in context. 3. As far as their nuclear program, you are talking about country that has been levelled by the US. The first job is to ensure that they will not get levelled again. So nukes are a vitality. There is no questioning this. Healthcare comes after nukes. This is a trauma response of a country that is recovering from the biggest bombing campaign in history. 4. Corruption will be a thing. What else do you expect? Destroying their livelihood means they have to resort to corruption to survive. There will be plenty of corruption. That's because US had no regard for civilian life and international law.

Sanctions in North Korea are particularly damaging because US has effectively bombed them to stone age before enacting sanctions. All civilians infrastructure from paddy fields to dams were levelled. Obviously when you make survival difficult, then they will resort to corruption. That's because making an honest living has been rendered shit by the US war machine that doesn't respect civilian life nor international law. Then you can blame them for being corrupt like the true neocon regime propaganda tells you to do. ----- US lifted sanctions on Vietnam in 1994. Look how much their GDP grew after that. There are second and third order effects of sanctions too that are being dismissed in linear calculations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_per_capita_development_in_Vietnam.svg And also sanctions do not affect all countries equally. NK was simply hit too hard. And despite all that they still have medium level of living standards even as far back in the 90s. That's no small feat.

@Leo Gura This is the evilness of North Korea. Any country that respects it citizens nicely is evil for you. The bottom line is US is shit scared to see a well functioning socialist leftist state. They bomb it to rubbles and then say it won't work.

Stop consuming South Korean propaganda garbage. Yes, plenty of kids have starved to death thanks to your glorious US regime who enacted cruel sanctions. Not anymore anymore. The HDI rank of NK was 0.766 in 1995 as assessed by the UN. It's medium level of human development. Not "poor and starving". And that was 30 years ago and things would have significantly improved by now. They even have free healthcare and hospitals that would have worked well if not for the crippling sanctions for electrical equipment. Funny because half of the elderly people are actually living in poverty in south Korea.

Yeah letting a few dudes own trillions while letting them milk you is surely the way forward. You don't need to own stuff to enjoy it anyway so what's the big deal.

I would chill out in North Korea rather than slaving out for hangsam in some south Korean shithole. Going by the current demographic trends, South Koreans will eliminate themselves out of the gene pool by slaving your soul out to corporations like this.

Absolutely. First thing to acknowledge is that this was is nothing short of a meat grinder for the Ukraine side. The conscripts are poorly trained and they lack the ammunition to put up a fight. The situation is dire in the frontlines. So the common folks have no interest is losing their lives over nothing. Ukraine has already lost the war. It's over. They are okay with giving up territories in exchange for ending the war. It's not like they have other options. Most of occupied territories have significant Russian speaking population who were mistreated by the Ukrainian side anyway.

Either way it is not about why things happened and blame one or the other. It is to evaluate the state of a nation in context of their history. "This is how the real world works" is a dangerous argument. Especially since what's been working is pretty bloody. Had the USSR went on a bombing spree citing stupid reasons, the world would have been a much different place.

There were significant factions of Communists even in South Korea which have been occupied by US. They were peasants compared to the industrial North. North was about to liberate the South from the foreign forces and reunite since there were artificially divided in the first place.

You are used to the bitter taste? I need something else to counter the bitter taste. Other than that coffee is the best in the world.

Because maybe it's cruel to starve thousands of kids to death? Plenty of social programs are there.

There is no concept of "their" wealth in China. The elites who rich from capitalism never owned anything. Everything is owned by the CCP. That is their system of governance. You don't need to voluntarily give up wealth, when you don't own any in the first place. Any notion of ownership in China hinges on leasing it from ccp for a limited time.

NK was bombed to hell because US was paranoid of anything communism. NK didn't steal trillions in foreign assets. It's the US and UK that stole trillions from the middleast under the guise for spreading freedom and democracy. Blame NK for caricature framing as if they are going to kill us all isn't helping. NK was much better economically and developmentally than the South before the bombing in the 1950s.