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Let’s switch gears a bit and since this is a high conscious forum, let’s entertain an idea if say for the American election we would have a stage turquoise politician. Just image that. Say such politician would emerge and does not matter form what party, let’s say even independent for argument sake. So what would such politician advocate if elected aa an American President and what would be his or her positions? What would that politician say about borders, immigrants, education, guns? Will the constitution be changed or perhaps libertarianism be more encouraged. Freedom of speech? Will we allow any opinions since at least in a stage yellow, remember, every opinion no matter how toxic have some legitimacy, not necessarily to agree with them. What would happen to criminal system? Drug legalization or maybe even more forbiddance? Psychedelics and/or Opioids such as Fentanyl. Would childhood vaccines be banned or even more community medical items be enforced such as flu and perhaps new virus vaccines? What would happen to capitalism and corporations? What about foreign politics and how would America act in the world? Would America still be involved and top notch or would it back away from the global arena? Would we use force to stop conflicts if they say cannot be resolved at all, such if Russia becomes too aggressive? I know this sounds like utopia, but still, what do you all think and what do you believe a truly stage turquoise individual would entail as a president? We have some gurus of that stage, but they are just leaders of relatively small communities or Temples and what I see for the most part they are keeping neutralities and to some extent they are correct because the political problems are so opinionated and so biased that it’s mostly acted out of ego and not so much systems thinking. It’s mostly about how each ego is better than another and we miss the real points and we are not learning or refusing to see the other problems. What do you all think and let’s entertain such idea. And again I am asking for a stage turquoise (not yellow) the one who reach the tops of Spiral Dynamics.

But my question was more, based on the problems today, what would the turquoise type president do and how would this president handle them? See my initial post and the challenges I posed.

@Emerald thank you for such detailed description. I like it, very deeply thought. Good job.

@Buck Edwards I don’t believe Gavin is at that stage. He is perfectly at stage Green. Also Gavin did change dramatically, I remember before the Covid he was more attentive but with recent politics he really alienates the other side. I am not speaking of radical conservative but even among modern ones he recently become too polarized. I don’t think system thinker would be choosing one side and demonizing the other. @Leo Gura I haven’t heard of Daniel Schmach. Is he a good Turquoise stage candidate. What are his policies in general. Today on politics it’s extremely polarized and I was watching both the RNC and DNC and both were kidna the same. Instead of advocating their politics, it was a reaction and criticism of the other side. That’s really what we are boiled to, is to show how bad the other side is. That’s a joke to say the least.

@PurpleTree no not like coming to a central place, but you can order kits. That is pretty much available in every country as UN sort of recommended and most first and second world countries technically offer it of course for a price. But I know what you mean, like in very selected European countries especially prior to entrance to festivals they have tents where they actually can test and make times for free. No I don’t have that, that’s wishful thinking and it would be very nice actually to have but with the whole thing with war on drugs it’s an issue. Actually did you know, US was the first to ban 2CB, and then it influenced other countries (DEA) especially to also ban it. I know that’s really bad, but it’s reality on the ground, though I think by having those stations would truly help, especially for young kids who don’t have so much money to buy pure stuff and settle for less costly items and get themselves into more trouble.

@manuel bon Thanks, so my supposedly dose was 25 mg, but again for mdma and molly I have high tolerance so I am not sure if that plays a role. I was afraid to take two pills because anything over 40mg will make you loose balance and it’s not good when you are at a festival. @PurpleTree of course we have testing kits, I believe every country has it, but to be honest I don’t want to have it at home because it will make get more substances and I try to stay away from it, otherwise it will give me more reason to get it. As far as mushrooms I get from legitimate source and other psychedelics. The other what we call illicit is that I try to stay away from, but believe me, many times it’s not that easy.

That’s not the point here. The problem is the government asked him to censor and it didn’t come from Facebook itself. There is some political world agenda to increase censorship, see what’s happening in UK or Ireland or even France. Did you see that they arrested the developer of Telegram for allowing free speech. It’s not about the content but the idea. The governments are really now into monitoring and controlling social media. You may say but I don’t do anything illegal so nothing to worry about. But… many of us here say use 5 MEO DMT and by the way that is not legal, so what happens if they will start cracking on that. What would you do? How would you communicate with dealers. Just one example out of many. you know Leo would claim that it’s stage yellow thinking to have this global type of government, like World Economic Forum for example. But I think it’s an access of Yellow thinking because ideally let’s say we have one world government, who wants to have peace and prosperity and equality, but then say a stage Red jerk takes over power, then we all screwed up. So as much as I may disagree with Marian conservatives but they have a very valid point, live and let leave. And they seem to be so right about having individual freedoms because the more local the government is, the harder it is to control. This is something what I truly fear. This can be a huge issue.

Hi everyone, so yesterday was the first time I took 2CB. I got from a dealer few pills who claim each pill is 25mg. I would have to take his word for it because you cannot measure them as to make a pill more than just substance goes into it. I took one pill as I know that after 40mg a person looses balance as was written on pubmed and other scientific journals. I will be honest I went to rave and wanted to experience it. I took one pill out of caution, since didn’t want to overdue it, as for me it was the first time. So to me it was not so storing, I did not see any visuals nor did I get any euphoria. I would describe as being high without knowing being high. I would not say I was sober, because I would not have sat behind a wheel. The onset was after hour and a half, it was very mild and subtle. So if you would focus on it, you would feel tipsy and at times into experience, but you can easily pull yourself out of it, meaning easily to snap out. I remember reading from Shulgin himself who discovered this substance, as a low calorie martini. It’s like you got few martinis, you are tipsy and yet can be social. Now I was not at a point of being social, meaning I could not have hold conversation as I felt tipsy but not alcoholic tipsy. About two hours of taking it, and again if you relax, you feel something, very hard to explain, as it does not relate to any other substances. Nothing to mdma as you don’t have your jaw clinging and not to any enhancers as you don’t have any additional energy. I stayed at a festival for awhile and I didn’t get so tired as I would be staying totally sober. But I did not feel any energy in as you do with others. So to conclude, again at that particular dose, and rereading reports, I am not sure if my pill contain 25mg but I do know that I have high tolerances to certain substances (like for ecstasy I would need double then average person, but interesting for DMT a little dose gets me to the moon), so assuming at that dose, I had a very strange experience, and again would say I felt high without knowing that I was high. Few tips, take orally only after 4 hours of consuming food, it’s best on a. Empty stomach. Also I know someone who snorted, defiantly stay away, it burns the nose as hell and you start off with a negative experience, it is painful. Also the person who snorted, the experience was short lived.

Yeah that’s what I read on Reddit in one post. But I also read that once a month is also okeyish, but maybe it’s my ego speaks that I want to do more often, I don’t know but this year I was doing once a month and when the time came had craving for it. I guess I have to cut back. But my concern is it’s neurotoxicity. Like @Ryan M posted initially and I did read somewhere else so if that is the case it’s super bad because that can give dimensia in the long run and etc. And what sucks the most is that it’s very hard to get fair information. You either have the main stream who will downplay this medicine saying how deadly and dangerous it is, or people on the other side who will blindly praise it as a magic cure for all types of depression and etc. So you cannot really get an unbiased information and that’s very bad. That’s why people have to choose an opinion that mostly resonates with them and it’s not always based on science. I don’t know, but lately I feel like science itself is being weaponized.

How bad is MDMA (ecstasy), if you do it sparingly like once every other month, is that ok or it can fuck your brain. You know I heard such opposing views on it, it’s hard to tell who is right on it especially with the media and war on drugs, but surprisingly there is a lot of good YouTube videos starting to pop on it, and they bring mdma in a very good light. So to answer your question, 2CB is a good alternative, it’s imagine mixing mdma and LSD together. See actually very unbiased video by double blind, very good channel by the way, I am glad YouTube still allows such, actually come to think after Covid, YouTube laced their laws a bit. Take a look at this video you will learn a good deal about 2CB.

You keep calling everyone a fundamentalist, do you call me a fundamentalist as well? @Raze I see your post but again this incident has to be investigated and proved. I am very familiar with IDF and they have not used this tactics before so before we jump to any conclusion we need to verify. Again there is a lot of fake info is being poured especially on X and other social media forms. As I said I have very hard time to believe it, indeed many times IDF is so moral that’s its noxious. I know you won’t believe me but regardless I will state this fact and most Israelis will agree with me on that.

Hi everyone, I apologize ahead of time if this topic is in the wrong category but I just don’t know which category would it best be so I placed in politics. I was invited by a friend to attend the Burning man festival in few weeks but after doing some research I am not sure I am quite ready, at least for this year. For these who are not familiar below is a general video explaining what it is, But then I stumbled upon another video from the comment section which took me there So apparently this festival and others in similar, this video comments is more of a pagan rituals done very similarly in the past. I did some basic search and interestingly there are many similarities found in ancient Mesopotamian and Assyrian pagan rituals. But then the video started to be a bit BSing. They claim that the idea of paganism and these festivals focusing on oneness with everything and that is against God. But isn’t at the most highest level of God realization everything is One? The second video has good points to think over regarding festivals who parallels the past with stage purple development looking from stage blue/orange perspective but ay the same time they criticize the idea of Oneness and focus more on separation. But at even higher stages it is the oneness which is in actuality. Also this event is in Black Rock Nevada, I wonder if @Leo Gura you are familiar or perhaps attended it since it’s not far from where you are. And also what I read and saw even more videos for which I won’t just spam paste here, people claim they experience a transformative life, and it does look like a utopian style, even from a different planet style. I am personally divided, on one hand looks very intriguing and liberating and trying something radically new, but on the other hand I feel a lot of cons as not to get into some sort of a cult. Anyone else have any say on it?

Nope, in the first chapter of Genesis and you can check out, on the sixth day of creation it says “He created them man and a woman”. Also if you can read further and you read original text after the seventh day of creation then it further goes to a more male pronounce where God separated Adam and out of his rib made Eve, only after that point the words then break into masculine and feminine. But on the sixth day of creation along with animals, the first human was both and neither.

Very complex question, the evolution science is kinda vague and does not have valuable answer in my opinion, as it keeps changing. The Bible has an interesting answer, it says that the first human was neither male nor female as it was both and then God separated into male and female. I like that answer more as our mind separates into duality. But the initial being is both and neither.

Well I studied biology back in early thousands and back then there were experimentation as you state to insert bits of DNA into the sequence but there was no luck in producing anything new. I have not touch with biology for over twenty years so don’t know but would not be surprised if any achievements were done. With so much trial and error still only “men and women” are out there (well even if you call trans people they are still either men or women, they have not transferred to anything additional). But again on the meta level, if you are a man and you see a woman, it is because your mind wants you to see a woman, maybe woman or even a man is something that your mind creates to keep you calm as this is how it will help you ground yourself to this waking world you are alive. Imagine you are in a house music festival where people take high doses of substance, they get to a point that they may hug and even kiss anyone, (while in real life they may not even come close to same sex individual) because at that moment, the identity of man and woman disappears and it becomes just a human being and with even higher substance level it becomes yourself that you hug. Again, when you opened this topic, you already separated the It into a human and into a woman.

@Majed on the meta level, once you post such a question, you already start with a bias and separation. On the most highest level, there is no separation and everything is one. Think of yourself for example, and just only yourself, you can define your masculine character and feminine character and good and bad, kind and evil and etc, but it’s still you. Remember you are the only one who started to draw the boundaries and once you start drawing the boundaries you start to find differences in anything you want. On another note, long time ago I was into science, when I studied biology since you speak of DNA, there is such a minuscule difference between male and female that those who truly study and examine DNA would not even find a difference.

Agree about Trump. But with all seriousness the vaccines can be dangerous and now a lot of people are changing their perspective including Chris Cuomo. This is a topic that can be said a lot with scientific evidence. And I am speaking with all vaccines and besides before Covid you were also speaking ill of vaccines in general. If interested there is a lot of scientific data out there now, I can share.

Thank you. Actually you are right, it seems like another up in stage where people are truly free and I foresee that these are the possible future way of society, like opening total freedom to oneself. I think I will skip this year but will be seriously considering for next year. I would have to do more homework. And why have you personally not attended, just to mention that it’s located in your home state and not that far from Las Vegas?

Hmmmm very interesting, I am quite domesticated person. @Rafael Thundercat mentioned orgy party but form what I understood and correct me if I am wrong, there are no showers there, porta parties on the open, and you say it’s sexy????? I am watching more videos and it does seem like a spiritual event, of course you pop pills, dance with people, gather together. So Christian community who criticize they claim it’s pagan cause they go back to idea that everything is One, but isn’t at the level of awakening, we realize that everything is truly One, so if anything, these people are approaching God realization much more?

Thanks, so I was invited last week and I thought it was just a music festival but then yesterday I started doing research and it turns out totally not what I thought. I am doing research and you are right it’s something I would need a year to prep. Have you personally attended or know someone close who did? Is this something you would recommend? It sounds like a utopian society, would you say it’s stage green type of thing?

Thank you for the reply. Appreciate that and I like that. I like that you are going meta. Can you also do the same for Trump and Covid Vaccines? P.S. Being sarcastic but honestly I appreciate that you are not just only on one side and view the problem more from the neutral side and I totally agree with you that there is no solution but as you said war.

Thank you @Leo Gura I see your latest posts you changed your mind drastically. Just curious did something or someone convince you? Because take few weeks back you were speaking totally different and now I see you recognize the situation what is happening truly there. By the way it is a compliment coming from me, I truly appreciate your answers and I could not agree more to them. But what made you change your course? Just curious if you don’t mind sharing?

Found interesting cartoon that on animal kingdoms, animals also vote and give promises, so you should know.

Actually lately I have been seeing few cases where the media claims people do crimes on mushrooms. Of course as few more states now added mushrooms to be legally sold, more similar articles are keep popping up. See recent article where one young men killed his family. I don’t understand, mushrooms are a spiritual medicine to invoke awakening, it’s not like smoking a crack where a person has no idea what they are doing, but on mushrooms? Are we saying that mushrooms are like any other drugs that those who take may go and murder? Is it a bug? https://nypost.com/2024/07/22/us-news/maniac-shahboz-rajabboev-accused-of-killing-4-relatives-including-2-kids-inside-nyc-home-left-building-with-bloody-face-claimed-he-was-on-shrooms-da/ https://pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/brooklyn-man-faces-murder-charges-after-killing-family-including-two-children/amp/

You know come to think of it, I only heard murder on mushrooms (of course in its rarity), never heard on DMT or 5 MEO or even on MDMA, for some reason if someone murders on psychedelics then have to be mushrooms. Correct me if I am wrong, and if I am not, then why. also, mushrooms are very interesting because at a smaller dose they can be very minimum less than any psychedelics, but at the very high dose, they can be as strong as 5 MEO