Gennadiy1981

First of all Joe Rogan is a journalist and I give him a lot of reports for asking questions. What I admire a lot in him is that he invites people from different spectrum of views, it’s horrible to have only one view available as most mainstream media dies such as cnn, msnbc and even fox. Joe is neutral and I like how he challenges both sides because that is a real journalism and not to stick to part lines who ever sponsor your show.

There was something I was deeply contemplating on and was wondering the true nature of psychedelics. For easier description I will assume that I am the only mind here and everything else is what my mind makes up and I am God who created myself to get to know reality. (No intention to put anyone down, just for laying down my idea). So I created this reality and everything here is just an illusion. So what about psychedelics. Are they also illusion and when we take them we are just in same illusion as everything is, or when i created this reality, I on purposely, sort of left a tool for myself to discover one day, say if I deviate too much from the truth and they do kinda make me awake, meaning I could have placed any tool in this world to make me awake, I could have made apples, by consuming would make me awake and see the real truth. Or psychedelics are delusional as everything else is? Because from what I understood everything else in this world is delusional?

If you really decided, definitely get a sitter, and a sitter who done psychedelics. It will only benefit and will not hurt.

When you say dream, I would assume you are speaking the "psychedelic dream" and not our life dream? Or you mean any dream is absolute truth even the waking dream we are having now.

Want to share this video I found, she explains what it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSv2v2xYDU The latest psychedelics experience I go through, the more I get to the notion that its only me here and everything else was created by me to make my experience rich. The past was created for me, the entire history, my family, friends, even actualized.org as well as Leo was created by me to teach me and for me to realize that there is only me. Before I always look either down or ironically at Solipsism, but as time goes on I come to realization that this is the absolute truth. It scares me though, but the question is, how do we know others exist, my guess is as good as your guess.

So then you are saying that everything is a dream/hallucination, even being on 5 MEO DMT is still part of hallucinating. Then the question is, what state it is not a dream? Is there any state that we can reach with anything?

I was on the intent that God realization is the only state not of a dream but of absolute truth but everything else is a dream, just on different levels.

But my main question is, mediation, psychedelics and etc, do they really wake you up to absolute reality or perhaps to yet another dream? Like a dream within a dream.

So the answer is yes, psychedelics kinda was a wake up call to be awaken and realize that our life is just a dream. But the question is, was I awoken maybe to another dream, or that was a reality? And if that was a reality, were psychedelics a specific mechanism that was designed by me when i designed this universe. On one hand,, maybe I did design this complex universe and ahead of time I thought if I would go astray, this would be a tool, because the end goal is to realize precisely that I am the creator.

I watched Leo's recently released video about 5 MEO MALT where he is planning to use a new approach to achieve spirituality via psychedelics as a main tool. The more I am into spirituality and the more I speak with people, I totally agree with Leo, that psychedelics are "THE" way into the spiritual world. And I want to add where Leo says that maybe a small portion of humanity who can naturally acquire a high consciousness state by meditation only, well I am sure if they would take psychedelics, they would even go higher where they are. Its just we live in such a time where people's attention span is very low and we want answers right away and nothing beats then psychedelics. Psychedelics can pretty much open all doors which are locked and they are a key to all spirituality levels, and of course I always mean to use them responsibly and not for recreational purposes. But I do agree with Leo that this is the proper way of approaching spirituality. Whenever I speak with people about spirituality and etc, there always seems to open some debates of legitimacy but when i recommend them to try psychedelics and then they come to me and we are more in alignment. What I realized is that psychedelics let you reach the absolute truth, there is no other way to reach absolute truth, you cannot read it or hear it, but only experience it for yourself.

I never tried Salvia so I can’t really debate on it but only was sitting next to people who did and saw first hand reports. But regardless you really should try 5 MEO to judge for yourself, many people say that it’s the most strongest substance known to humans. But on the other hand, pretty much most psychedelics taken at high dose do lead you to outside creation and God realization. From my small experience and dealing with different doses, the high doses do lead to one conclusion and that’s ego death and blending with God.

@Consilience and @Thought Art you really are both right and speak of the same and for some reason you still arguing. Look psychedelics are just a tool and not to be hung on them. However most people do need them to get a boost of awakening, as at least for myself, there is no way I could have elevated to such level as I did before. I never mediated before and it was just a waste of my time because no matter what I did, i never succeeded but after trying psychedelics the meditation become as easy as clicking fingers. But of course in the long run you are the medicine you should be able to reach that state of mind all on your own. Yes you can use a bit to help out but the e tire thing what Leo is also saying is that psyched,Eric’s boost you expressingly. For instance if you want to get to even higher eleven and you can’t, you take them, get to that level and then start working from there and so on. @Consilience you say that you can naturally mediate and get into a state of your body dissolvement? That’s deep, what exactly you do if you don’t mind asking.

Of course its a rhetoric question but want to share my experience here or how some may read it as a trip report. So, I was away to celebrate my birthday and decided to remember the old times by hitting a nightclub. Of course to have even greater time needed to get some "E", just for fun, "E" always makes things good with trance music. However the seller ran out of them, so the next thing was to ask for Molly, technically was the idea with the girl I was with. I am not crazy for Molly, as oppose to "E", its more like caffeine stuff and nothing else. However molly was not available neither, so he offered a pure MDMA. Well this individual was a chemist so he did have pure MDMA and by the way pure MDMA is pretty much impossible to get, and for those including myself who thought they had pure MDMA, actually didnt. But here was a pure powder in capsules. So we hit a club, pop one pill and assuming it will work like "E" in half an hour should feel its effect, but to my surprise, nothing was felt. So an hour spaced from first pill, I pop a second one, waiting half an hour and nothing, started already downgrading the seller in mind that he sold placebo. Well half an hour later, poping a third pill, but know this should be enough cause you got to be careful with those things. Believe it or not, half an hour passes by and still nothing. And then i have this lightheartedness, and the head slightly started to spin. Then it feels a bit euphoric, not like with "E" where you feel total euphoric, but slightly. And then, I forget everything. I totally forget who i was, what am I, at this moment I think all there is to my life is this club with actually amazing music. (I do have high anxiety, but glad that I also forgot that I had anxiety cause I would go bizarre). At that moment I live in the present, I have no idea about anything else in this world but enjoying the present. I took a small recording video of myself and was just asking who am I? I was just it, and then I saw crazy visuals, sacred geometry, pixels in my head. Then for four and a half hours I have no memory recollection. Only close to the morning the girl whom I was, asked me for time and then the memory started coming back to me. And then i started to re-live my life, I was remembering moments from when I was a 4 or 5 year old kid, times when I was on a tricycle and could not see where my parents were. I got so nervous of those events that happened so many years back, i was relieving them as they just happened. Indeed for the next few hours I was watching my life from childhood till my old age, meaning my past, present and saw my future. The emotions stopped in few hours but I was super exhausting and sweating as I jumped into a pool of water and I did not jump anywhere. (I read later on that MDMA can be dangerous, and a small dose can be lethal where people can have hypothermia) (Also according to some psychiatrists MDMA can bring people to their near birth experience and remind them when they were still in the womb). Anyways on the second day my memory returned to me but I was still high, I totally lost orientation, didnt know where I was, the signs on the street were in a language totally not known to me, as if I was in China or other country which do not use Latin Letters. I forced myself to drink one Gatorade for that day so not to be dehydrated. On the third day I was in mild high mode, meaning like cool and chill, but of course not capable of driving a vehicle. I would say a normal high when you go into a club. On the fourth day I totally came back to normal state, was totally myself, when i thought what has happened, I freaked out so much and could not sleep for few days, was paranoid that really bad thing could have happened to me. But to conclude, I had the most deepest and profound experience ever happening to me. It was definitely an ego death, relieving my entire childhood memories that I totally forgot everything. Interesting to note that whatever happens to us even when we are toddlers, does not go away but is stored in our memories. In addition did see future, it was very freaky, I am not going to interpret here or debate, maybe it was a hallucination of my mind but it was so vivid as I would say it was more of visions. All i can say what I saw, and dont want to start any debates here, I saw in the near future, many humans die, tremendous amount of people dead on the street. But lets leave it here. Compare to other psychedelics, this one was through the roof. Would I ever do that again, probably not. Well never say never, but as I am aware, this is something I would be staying away from for good. Though i do not regret of doing such.

To be fair with everything and if you truly want to use psychedelics for spiritual growth, the best one is to use Ayhuasca. See Ayhuasca is a natural brew that contains pure N,N, DMT which is natural to our bodies, stores in our pineal gland and all living things from plans and insects to animals and humans have DMT in them. The best way to drink this sacred medicine is in circle of people whereas everyone sort of shares their energy. All others sort of are more of a trip while Ayhuasca is a journey, its smooth, friendly and healing. Mushrooms is a different story but similar can be said about them.

Regarding 5 MEO, its a totally different beast, should I say. Its way more potent than Salvia, and Salvia is pretty much potent. With 5 MEO you totally loose yourself to the Universe as oppose to Salvia which sort of turns you into an object. So the one similarity I can see is that in both instances you blend into one where in Salvia you blend into an object such as a tree or even a water bottle if you happen to hold one whereas with 5 MEO you blend together with God. 5 MEO takes you to a world of non duality, you combine one with the Universe. If you have never done it, you should do it at least once and for some people once maybe all they can handle. I did a full dose once in my life, I really want to do more but I am frightened, its an experience that follows me everyday of my life. No wonder why people nick name it, "God Molecule". Regarding psychedelics in general, I find them a great tool in self discovery. Are they the only tool, of course not, there are many other tools out there such as holotropic breath work, Kriya yoga, Lucia Lights, float tank and many others which do require tremendous amount of time and psychedelics are more of an express train, not a shortcut, please note that. They can bring you intellectually to an upper level without sort of working on it. The other day I spoke with one Kabbalists, a Jewish mysticism, a teaching in a deep awakening. The person studies it for over twenty years or even thirty years and in the past, whatever he spoke to me back then, kinda flew over my head, it did not made any sense to me. It was as if he was speaking riddles to me that made no sense no matter how I tried to understand. But after experiencing with psychedelics (I am slightly over a year in this psychedelic business) I totally understood him, indeed many things what he was trying to explain I already knew and thats from 5 MEO. I looked slightly in Kaballah work itself and from few chapters what I read, those sages had God realization themselves. Now, those sages lived over thousand years ago, to me it seems that they did psychedelics themselves but no one knows that. Most likely they did not but whatever they discovered seems so close that I suspect they did tried something.

@OBEler no those are fundamentally different. The MDMA is a main ingredient and it’s a psychedelic but once it’s mixed with additional substances it looses the psychedelic properties. Basically it’s Methylene dioxymethamphetamine. And once you say add caffeine such as molly, the amphetamine portion is taken off. With ecstasy it is even worse as lots of other stuff is added and from what I heard those can be super dangerous if you don’t know the sellers. Always refrain from buying on the streets. Also I do have a significant respect for psychedelics, and as I stated in my story it was just a time I wanted to take it easy and didn’t fully know the power of pure MDMA as I mentioned before, truly pure one is pretty much impossible to get.

I am speaking of pure scientific facts here. Molly has MDMA in it with other additives such as caffeine and etc. There is a chemical difference between the two. Again in most scientific terms.

Usually psychedelics are safe for most part and its almost impossible to overdose on them, but MDMA is different, the small dose can be lethal. And again when i say MDMA I exclude all its derivatives such as ecstasy, molly, tootsie and etc, those are pure recreational stuff and do not participate in personal development.

Nice. And by the way, Molly is made from MDMA but its not MDMA. Molly gets mixed with caffeine and takes Amphetamine out of out. Indeed many things are made from MDMA, but Molly is not pure one, though it can get close but its not pure. So the reason is that it lasts for 3 days, can that be harmful to the body?

So Salvia is much more lighter than Datura, but still Salvia is pretty intense. I personally never tried Salvia but I know few people who do it often. I am not sure there is any growth with it, and keep in mind not all psychedelics do have spiritual growth, some of them are just for recreational purposes. Datura on the other hand is very dangerous, it can lead to a very long psychosis and as Leo stated earlier even death. That is not something to mess with. Indeed poeple who try Datura, it is definitely their first and last time, see below link to trip reports in audio

So there are many opinions on it and I will share one. So believe it or not our dreams are a path to another universe or should we say parallel universes. So there are many infinite universes with similar outcomes. I will use Leo as an example and hope he won’t get upset at me. So say one universe can be all similar to ours but where Leo is a staunch republican and a supporter of Trump and there maybe another similar universe where Leo is a libertarian and another similar universe where Leo is a Hillary supporter and so on. So all those inverses act independently but when a person dreams, for that moment he access that particular universe and that’s why in our dreams we may do things differently. Or it can be a nightmare where our reality is opposite what we live by. So there is that theory that during your dream you access different dimension. As far as laws of physics, they exist in 3 dimension space and time. Other dimensions may not necessary have them such an example of a dream where say all characters may just fly. And there are more other universes such as DMT universe which is a totally different story.

You are asking all the right questions, indeed people of stage blue and green should question everything, indeed it’s those that question are in a higher state. The issue is why are those questions get silenced.

That’s what all delusional people say. anyways the VAERS is not some mumbo jumbo but is part of CDC, just saying. And it does get verified and the input is done by medical professionals, just saying. I was watching a show about cults and everyone who was in the cult blindly followed their leader without asking or even thinking to ask questions. I am not picking on you in any way, I am more picking of a concept of a person. So you assume something is correct (I am sure you were not in labs analyzing but at best take media word for it), and you are taking “truth” from someone else not your own, and then you blindly trust it at any cost. Remember even Leo said that absolute truth can only be known through yourself. And I personally, question everything at this point, even this reality because of my awakenings. I question the government, the people, the life itself. And then you tell me I cannot question a pharmaceutical company that by the way had so much lawsuit in the recent past, just giving you an example of painkiller pandemic.

If you would be humble person at best you can say we are both delusional. How do you know you are so right and of course it can be said about anyone.

I think it’s waste of time to have debates here, those who have mind set are totally determined and nothing can convince them. What I am surprised and amazed, is that we have people who hypothetically can open their mind and deeply think but at the same time when it comes to specific topics their mind is totally shut and cannot move beyond their border thinking. I guess it teaches me that no matter how people reach enlightenment, they are still stuck at some place, and their ego is so powerful that it does not let them go further. I am not here to offend anyone but it’s interesting how some just start cursing With aggravation without going into serious debates. Indeed if I would just take this excerpt from this forum and show to others who are not familiar with it, people would say that it’s a forum with low conscious individuals. You don’t need to reply to my post but I want all of you just to think deep on what I said before either meditation or while taking psychedelics. You will be amazed what your mind will tell you.