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Well, possibly that they were already interested in it to some degree and you built their trust in you and they happened to be receptive to you. But this is not usually in my experience.

Agree, I found it the hard way. I wouldn't even mention any of this stuff unless somebody asks me. Other people are bound to enjoy or suffer their ignorance until they decide to renounce it forever, it is their right to remain how they want to be. Until then, they will take on lifetimes of burden, tension and also some pleasure joy, bliss here and there.

Hobbies, social workshops, meetups, board game events, improv theater, become manager of a local band etc.

What I would do is to be more verbally direct to them about what I want from them, also knowing that you could lose their friendship which is, let's be honest, pretty fake to begin with, if you constantly want something else with this person: "I want to go out with YOU, not those other people in our friend group.", "I like you, we should spend some time together". Women do not like men that are not assertive and direct (like me), maybe some dominant women do, but I do not know many to begin with. Also some caution to not be too sexual or too direct to force her to make a decision she is not comfortable with and she can reject you for literally any reason, how to get laid series is a lot about that. Then why would you fear losing a relationship in which you are teased for who you are and cannot have a role which you are looking for in a relationship? You can find different people, if you think she is the one then I will say you in modern times this does not work. She was quite a few "brothers" like that in her life. If it's impossible to meet women in a friend groups, then it's time to move to a different area at some point. How to get laid series are very informative but will work only if you practice the things talked about.

I think this is unacceptable answer for a moderator in this forum.

He will probably say like, whoa this guy is insane, this guy has figured some shit out and just walk away to smoke some weed.

Guru is not about masculine or feminine. There (optimally speaking) is no one behind a guru.

Because of capitalism and mass monotheism.

It is tricky. I think just saying less is a good option in general. Sometimes you do need to interfere and without asking, defend your values and so on. But this is not a lot of times, at least in my experience. In job, it's better to be more honest, authentic and vulnerable, I have jad great success in this field, but you cannot be totally honest. Remember that you are going to take risks and blind decisions, make mistakes and hope they will not influence what you are doing. So no need to throw yourself under the bus also, but then you also have to evaluate what is important to tell, and you don't really know at times at what point what is important to warn about. But in long term, honesty is better overall, even though it will hurt more. In personal life, well difficult. You can always not tell everything, switch the topic, gaslight people and so on which I don't encourage. But you can't really tell them what you really think about their behavior and their problems, MOST of the time they are not even listening to you, not even interested or open to other people's opinions, not even looking for help, did not even ask you for advice or help even though it is visible they have some kind of a problem. Or they will overreact, will take revenge on you and so on, so you kinda have to estimate if they are ready to be told something or even ask them, if they want to even know your opinion. My solution was to spend a lot of time by myself. I will be lying if I said that I am honest, but I kinda am, though I am very selective when I open my mouth. Be careful and stay strong.

Yes, I agree with this. Even if the woman you meet (in group or alone) is taken or is just stringing you along, you can still either platonically interact because there is value to what they can say or you can just spit some game and tips and spice up your emotional communication to see how she responds and to confirm some trends of behavior and see what resonates for you. Nothing sexual even needs to be said.

yeah, i try to make music fast. it sucks man, you get bored of it. hahaha but i take a week of and the same thing sounds very good. in the same day, you cannot have an opinion of what you wrote, just finish it and leave it for tomorrow. And if you go for extreme, new and unconventional ideas then render as it is and listen to the track a lot of times. Sometimes you really start digging something uncommon and weird. Also you can always render and then at one day just collect notes and markers and then re-do the whole lead part of the song or drums or effects etc. You can take a listen on what it sounds like.

I agree with this one

I would focus on making them trigger you impossible. But it's almost impossible, I know.

yes i would, 10000x more, until i burn out and I have nothing left.

My question is, was any one's perspective challenged even in this discussion? I don't think so.

I could write books about the passive aggressive treatment i have had over the years, it's not even funny.

@Girzo so you were talking about my thesis and adapting my arguments to that, so what about this one?

Stop watching fresh and shit and whatever and it will go up by 50

@Girzo In a common sense way I agree with you, but we are in a self-development forum, where people constantly question their values and outcomes. Therefore I prefer to look at it in a yes/no manner. For the OP it maybe useful to look at my example, because Leo actually uses this as approach to be successfull in multiple areas in his life.

Because that is still a unsustainable or exploitative environment. Lavish = not good. There is still a lack of inspiration or values that inspire action and human genius. It needs certain resources, I am not only talking about financial, and I am talking about holistic, long term success. Our values and education sucks major ass, therefore you see failures everywhere, even if they are rich. For example, I do not see Dan Bilzerian as a successful human being, and I don't even see Allan Holdsworth or Elvis Presly as a successfully human beings, because their pleasures killed them, but their environment was good enough to give a little bit of everything for their muse. Most people don't get those.

Unsustainable, exploitative environment is really the only objective reason

Yeah man, it's hard. Especially when you have no experience with women, like me. I once met a girl who was a jazz singer. I really wanted to help with her musicianship, because I thought she would kill it if she found a way to record music and release it over the internet, and she would have a reliable medium to be engaged in practicing/recording, probably, for the rest of her life, not even talking about the things she can already do and organize regarding music. I noticed that we clicked, but basically I was too slow and at the same time too clingy for her. She was very attractive and I just really enjoyed her company, but i primarily wanted to help her in her music. I wish that she is doing well though. Let me say this. As much as I do not want a relationship, she really made me primarily want her. She made me feel like I have to lead her. I do not remember that any other woman has made me feel like that. It was interesting, and I still think about her from time to time. But I know that I will never meet her and it's fine I guess, even if she wanted to. I do not think that it's hard for her to find a mate. But here I am, desireful for somebody that does not care about me whatsoever. And this is most of our case (i am talking about single men who *can't get it* and have to put in a lot of work to get the kind of quality women you desire). Well the desire for companionship and sex. Ahh, the very root of most of the problem that a man will deal with. And society supports this delusion that you are not a complete being by yourself somehow. That is why it's so hard.

Basically, I am willing to spend a lot of time completely dismantling my lifestyle and building it up again. I would like to know how it is to live healthy. Without it I will have nothing of significance. So, where did you start? How long it took, how many times you tripped? What changed? How is your life now what you really improved your health? I want to pursue health for the following reasons. - To enjoy life in it's senses. - To handle problems that life throws at me. - To maximize doing and lifestyle of solitude and contemplation. - To be able to sit alone with my eyes closed for extended periods of time. - To really figure out what works. - To not live a mediocre life of guilt, self-hatred and projection. What are your routines, guides, what psychological tricks, practices or advice worked for you? Have your cravings permanently gone? What were your worst moments? Please, share. Thank you.

Thanks man, I am really giving it a shot

Kinda missed everything with your comment. Your criticism does not reflect my lifestyle. But thanks I guess, maybe you needed to vent.