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You can't be aware of awareness directly became awareness is absolute literal nothingness. You have to use sensory input as a mirror to reflect back at what's observing them. Then you find nothingness.

Dr. James Cooke on YouTube is an actual neuroscientist who discusses mysticism etc.

IMO social pressure and ego makes it so he will not admit his true honest belief about things. His ego is not only his own; he is expected to be a certain way by a VERY large number of people. When he spoke to Spira he clearly understood, so when Spira said awareness went nowhere in his experience under anaesthesia, Sam acknowledged it and ended that topic.

Good Leo posts ITT.

I just think of that old dude getting his ass beat while trying to shoot fireballs from his palms like Street Fighter, or the type of people James Randi went after.

If I thought I shot lightning out of my fingers, and not only did I have the experience of having done so, but it actually shot out across "consensus" reality, I'd want to prove it to myself. All experience is 100% real in the sense that experience "is". It's quite different when making claims beyond, that you have altered the fabric of the entire dream... As you know ofc I could hallucinate a million bucks under my bed, and there is NO QUESTION the appearance of a million bucks is real. But I probably could not take that million bucks into a store and spend it. I don't think I could completely alter the fabric of this dream in that way.

I'm. Here. Now... No matter what you do, you are always "I". No matter how far you go, you will find you never leave the location called "here". No matter how much time passes, you will find you never leave the moment called "now". The only thing that changes is appearances. ... When you move from one corner of a room to another, the location itself is still called "here". All that has changed is what is appearing within it. When you wait for a few minutes to pass, the moment itself is still called "now". All that has changed is what is appearing within it. And I am ever-present. If we both say "I am here now", what makes you think your here and now is a different here and now? The fact that the appearances within it differ? Appearances also differ as you look out the window of a train but you see different appearances do not mean a different location or moment... So what makes you really believe we reside within a separate "here" and "now". What makes you think our ever-present "I" is a different one? There is no evidence for it.

People also use Leo's word as authority, I see people are totez on board with energy shooting out of his fingertips like fuckin' Raiden and telepathy. I think 5-MeO-DMT reveals THE truth, so he is a great prophet. But, better to gain your own experience.

@Spiral Wizard Have you considered time is completely unreal? You experienced your 10th birthday is that right? And when you experienced your 10th birthday, you experienced it in the moment called "now". You are experiencing something different presently, but it's still the same moment called "now". Both experiences are happening simultaneously "now". Like your PoV and Leo's PoV. All of this is happening "now", to you, but the illusion of time means you experience discrete moments such that the present is not your 10th birthday, and your PoV is not Leo's.

Probably mauve.

I'm quite sure this is not what Leo means at all lmao. I know he absolutely REFUSES to elaborate in most cases, but I feel quite sure that he is NOT telling you there is no "Leo experience" (as in NOT telling you the seeing of his computer as he types to you is not taking place)... He is just saying that the "Leo experience" of, for example, seeing his monitor as he reads your post, is had by you.

I'd like to hear Leo's take, I see a lot of people thinking it means something very different, and questioning why they shouldn't just torture the cardboard cutout "people". Because they are thinking it means the "people" have no inner experience. As I am phrasing it, other "people" are having inner experience, but you are the one having them. It's not cardboard robot-people, their thoughts and feelings and sensations are felt... And you are the one feeling them.

I will be unhappy until I'm dead. If I don't take my antidepressants I want to kill myself. When I do take them I'm like a robot, but having no emotion feels better than wanting to die.

I think no-self is when you become nothingness, and understand that everything "you" is a changing appearance just like all appearances, with no static thing to actually grasp whatsoever. It's like an experiential form of neti-neti to literal nothingness. I think you described something like an out of body experience, lost boundary between self and other.

Am I having an inner experience of looking through Leo's eyes and wearing a Leo mask? I already understand everyone "out there" is actually here.

I know what you mean, but I think for most people it will add to their idea that you are a robot and their ego is God. I'm wearing the kangaroo mask and having some kangaroo-tinged experiences, though the kangaroo image is sheer hallucination. And I'm wearing a Leo mask and having some Leo-tinged experience... Rather than Leo and the kangaroo being androids lol. I think you're having inner experience, it's just that I'm the one actually having that inner experience, and there's no such thing as a "you" regardless of who says it. Just an "I", again regardless of who says it. What I think would be fantastical is if something with infinite power would NOT be able to split itself into different egos and "lives". All moments are "now", yet every second of my life does not APPEAR condensed into one single slide. And that is how I believe many lives are happening at once, because of that fakeness of time that allows one single "moment" which is completely outside of time to appear to be many discrete moments.

The apple could permanently have mass, but it's more about what the apple actually is. What matter actually is. Things like mass, speed, whatever else, they're just descriptors of an object's behavior but don't tell us anything about what the object is in terms of its fundamental substance. Which is to say, we recognize the actual images we imagine (the image itself) is not made out of anything. Usually people think of it as a sort of hologram, where there is some real matter called the brain, but that the image itself is just a mirage that itself is not made of things... Matter is also fundamentally not "made out of" anything in the same way. Once you get to the smallest particle, when there's nowhere deeper to say "it's made from atoms, atoms are made from electrons" (w.e. the case is), and you have to actually confront "okay so what actually is that, fundamentally speaking".

I think it's fantastical to think something with infinite power can only possibly imagine one inner experience and ego. To believe it COULDN'T imagine multiple individuals seems insane. More likely time is just fake.

Man, it IS frightening to be in it. When your mind is scrambling to find some kind of border ANYWHERE to grab, but is just grabbing at nothing forever in all directions, infinitely, never finding any edge to ever grasp onto... It's really traumatic, lol. It's hard to imagine anyone being in that and being okay with it. I mean if you were fully, all the way there, you'd be dead. Anything before that I don't know how some people aren't scarred for life.

@Shambhu I think the word "mind" is not used in the same manner as the word "self". You described no-self, there is nothing static apart from nothingness. Mind is a term to encompass both sides of the coin, I think.

@Thought Art But you do see that if I completely erased your memory every single nanosecond, there wouldn't actually be any continuous thing there. Our thoughts feelings and sense input changes constantly. It's only memory and ego stringing it together. Even relatively, there's not so much anything concrete there where I could define a static "you". You'd be more like a pattern I could make educated guesses about the behavior of. Now if every single moment instead of erasing your memory and ego I REPLACED it with completely new ones from "other people", would you be a new bubble every moment?

There aren't any bubbles if you see the interpretation Leo is using. Time isn't real. Last week's you is happening simultaneously to now yet you aren't experiencing last week. All perspectives are simultaneous in the eternal now. Which is just infinity appearing stretched out in a line by illusion.

Do you know that when people here discuss Solipsism, they think it means there is just their one finite self and consciousness (which they feel belongs to their ego). I notice you always say "you" are God rather than saying "I", due to focusing on trying to give other people (yourself, but w.e.) a certain realization. But those "other" people are not thinking "Leo is just me wearing another mask", they're thinking like, you're a robot or something like that.

Any reason why you can't just go on a killing spree and simply imagine the cops exploding when they come to arrest you, so you never have to go to prison?

Yes I see that. The single mind contains any chair, and also all "mental" things like the thoughts of all people. It holds all instances simultaneously "now", such that the big bang is happening simultaneously to this conversation. Unlike a chair which is quite static, I'm having a hard time finding something about a person's "inner world" of thoughts etc that is fixed and static. Chairs tend to look the same every time we see them, not so much an evermorphing blob as the realm of thought etc.